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Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by Pafifi » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am


All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D

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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by zullil » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am

Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.

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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by Pafifi » Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:58 am

zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.
Bd5. Then?

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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by zullil » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:01 pm

Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:58 am
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.
Bd5. Then?
info depth 47 seldepth 88 multipv 1 score cp 860 nodes 22240110022 nps 45244489 hashfull 843 tbhits 0 time 491554 pv d4c6 f7d5 g1d1 d5h1 d1d7 h1d5 c6e5 g8f8 b5a6 e8a8 g5f6 f8e8 d7d5 h8f8 f6g7 e8e7 g7h7 e7e6 c2c4 f8h8 h7g6 a8g8 g6h5 g8g2 e5f3 g2f2 f3h4 f2a2 d5e5 e6d7 e5f5 d7c8 f5e5 a2a6 h4g6 h8d8 f4f5 a6a1 f5f6 a1h1 h5g5 h1g1 g5f5 g1f1 g6f4 d8h8 f6f7 c8d7 h6h7 f1h1 f4g6 h1f1 f5e4 f1f7 g6h8 f7h7 h8g6 h7h1 e5d5 d7c8 g6e7 c8b7 d5f5 h1c1 e4d3 c1d1 d3c2 d1e1 c2d2 e1a1 e7d5 c7c6 d5e7 a1a6 f5f7 b6b5 d2d3 b5c4 d3c4

info depth 50 seldepth 76 multipv 1 score cp 945 nodes 40626922917 nps 46674114 hashfull 968 tbhits 0 time 870438 pv d4c6 f7c4 b5a6 c4d5 c6e5 d5h1 g1d1 h1c6 e5c6 g8f7 c2c4 e8a8 a6a7 f7e6 f2f3 a8f8 d1d5 f8a8 e3e4 a8f8 d5d2 f8c8 d2e2 f5e4 f3e4 h8g8 e2d2 c8a8 d2d5 a8f8 d5d1 f8a8 a2a3 a8f8 a3a4 f8a8 d1d5 a8f8 a4a5 b6a5 c6a5 f8d8 a5c6 d8a8 d5d3 g8f8 d3d1 f8g8 d1d5 a8f8 c6e5 f8a8 d5d7 a8a7 d7h7 a7a1 h7c7 a1g1 e5g4 g1h1 c7c6 e6e7

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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by Pafifi » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:06 pm

zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:01 pm
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:58 am
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.
Bd5. Then?
info depth 47 seldepth 88 multipv 1 score cp 860 nodes 22240110022 nps 45244489 hashfull 843 tbhits 0 time 491554 pv d4c6 f7d5 g1d1 d5h1 d1d7 h1d5 c6e5 g8f8 b5a6 e8a8 g5f6 f8e8 d7d5 h8f8 f6g7 e8e7 g7h7 e7e6 c2c4 f8h8 h7g6 a8g8 g6h5 g8g2 e5f3 g2f2 f3h4 f2a2 d5e5 e6d7 e5f5 d7c8 f5e5 a2a6 h4g6 h8d8 f4f5 a6a1 f5f6 a1h1 h5g5 h1g1 g5f5 g1f1 g6f4 d8h8 f6f7 c8d7 h6h7 f1h1 f4g6 h1f1 f5e4 f1f7 g6h8 f7h7 h8g6 h7h1 e5d5 d7c8 g6e7 c8b7 d5f5 h1c1 e4d3 c1d1 d3c2 d1e1 c2d2 e1a1 e7d5 c7c6 d5e7 a1a6 f5f7 b6b5 d2d3 b5c4 d3c4

info depth 50 seldepth 76 multipv 1 score cp 945 nodes 40626922917 nps 46674114 hashfull 968 tbhits 0 time 870438 pv d4c6 f7c4 b5a6 c4d5 c6e5 d5h1 g1d1 h1c6 e5c6 g8f7 c2c4 e8a8 a6a7 f7e6 f2f3 a8f8 d1d5 f8a8 e3e4 a8f8 d5d2 f8c8 d2e2 f5e4 f3e4 h8g8 e2d2 c8a8 d2d5 a8f8 d5d1 f8a8 a2a3 a8f8 a3a4 f8a8 d1d5 a8f8 a4a5 b6a5 c6a5 f8d8 a5c6 d8a8 d5d3 g8f8 d3d1 f8g8 d1d5 a8f8 c6e5 f8a8 d5d7 a8a7 d7h7 a7a1 h7c7 a1g1 e5g4 g1h1 c7c6 e6e7
1. Nc6 Bd5 2. Rd1 Bxh1 3. Rd7 Bxc6

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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by zullil » Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:38 pm

Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:06 pm
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:01 pm
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:58 am
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.
Bd5. Then?
info depth 47 seldepth 88 multipv 1 score cp 860 nodes 22240110022 nps 45244489 hashfull 843 tbhits 0 time 491554 pv d4c6 f7d5 g1d1 d5h1 d1d7 h1d5 c6e5 g8f8 b5a6 e8a8 g5f6 f8e8 d7d5 h8f8 f6g7 e8e7 g7h7 e7e6 c2c4 f8h8 h7g6 a8g8 g6h5 g8g2 e5f3 g2f2 f3h4 f2a2 d5e5 e6d7 e5f5 d7c8 f5e5 a2a6 h4g6 h8d8 f4f5 a6a1 f5f6 a1h1 h5g5 h1g1 g5f5 g1f1 g6f4 d8h8 f6f7 c8d7 h6h7 f1h1 f4g6 h1f1 f5e4 f1f7 g6h8 f7h7 h8g6 h7h1 e5d5 d7c8 g6e7 c8b7 d5f5 h1c1 e4d3 c1d1 d3c2 d1e1 c2d2 e1a1 e7d5 c7c6 d5e7 a1a6 f5f7 b6b5 d2d3 b5c4 d3c4

info depth 50 seldepth 76 multipv 1 score cp 945 nodes 40626922917 nps 46674114 hashfull 968 tbhits 0 time 870438 pv d4c6 f7c4 b5a6 c4d5 c6e5 d5h1 g1d1 h1c6 e5c6 g8f7 c2c4 e8a8 a6a7 f7e6 f2f3 a8f8 d1d5 f8a8 e3e4 a8f8 d5d2 f8c8 d2e2 f5e4 f3e4 h8g8 e2d2 c8a8 d2d5 a8f8 d5d1 f8a8 a2a3 a8f8 a3a4 f8a8 d1d5 a8f8 a4a5 b6a5 c6a5 f8d8 a5c6 d8a8 d5d3 g8f8 d3d1 f8g8 d1d5 a8f8 c6e5 f8a8 d5d7 a8a7 d7h7 a7a1 h7c7 a1g1 e5g4 g1h1 c7c6 e6e7
1. Nc6 Bd5 2. Rd1 Bxh1 3. Rd7 Bxc6
+11.52 4. bxc6 Rc8 5. Kf6 Ra8 6. Rxc7 Kf8 7. Rf7+ Ke8 8. Re7+ Kf8 9. Rc7 b5 10. Rf7+ Ke8 11. Re7+ Kf8 12. c7 Rc8 13. Rg7 a5 14. Ke6 a4 15. Kd7 Re8 16. c8=R Rxc8 17. Kxc8 c4 18. Kd7 g5 19. fxg5 Rg8 20. Kc6 b4 21. Rxh7 Rxg5 22. Rb7 b3 23. Rb8+ Ke7 24. h7 Rh5 25. axb3 Rxh7 26. Rb7+ Ke8 27. bxa4 Rh2 28. Rb4 c3 29. Rf4 Rh1 30. Rc4 Ra1 31. Kb5 Rb1+ 32. Kc5 Kd7 33. Rxc3 Rf1 34. Kb5 Rb1+ 35. Rb3 Rf1 36. f4 Kd6 (depth 37, 0:00:43)

No more time for me.

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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by Pafifi » Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:45 pm

zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:38 pm
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:06 pm
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:01 pm
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:58 am
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.
Bd5. Then?
info depth 47 seldepth 88 multipv 1 score cp 860 nodes 22240110022 nps 45244489 hashfull 843 tbhits 0 time 491554 pv d4c6 f7d5 g1d1 d5h1 d1d7 h1d5 c6e5 g8f8 b5a6 e8a8 g5f6 f8e8 d7d5 h8f8 f6g7 e8e7 g7h7 e7e6 c2c4 f8h8 h7g6 a8g8 g6h5 g8g2 e5f3 g2f2 f3h4 f2a2 d5e5 e6d7 e5f5 d7c8 f5e5 a2a6 h4g6 h8d8 f4f5 a6a1 f5f6 a1h1 h5g5 h1g1 g5f5 g1f1 g6f4 d8h8 f6f7 c8d7 h6h7 f1h1 f4g6 h1f1 f5e4 f1f7 g6h8 f7h7 h8g6 h7h1 e5d5 d7c8 g6e7 c8b7 d5f5 h1c1 e4d3 c1d1 d3c2 d1e1 c2d2 e1a1 e7d5 c7c6 d5e7 a1a6 f5f7 b6b5 d2d3 b5c4 d3c4

info depth 50 seldepth 76 multipv 1 score cp 945 nodes 40626922917 nps 46674114 hashfull 968 tbhits 0 time 870438 pv d4c6 f7c4 b5a6 c4d5 c6e5 d5h1 g1d1 h1c6 e5c6 g8f7 c2c4 e8a8 a6a7 f7e6 f2f3 a8f8 d1d5 f8a8 e3e4 a8f8 d5d2 f8c8 d2e2 f5e4 f3e4 h8g8 e2d2 c8a8 d2d5 a8f8 d5d1 f8a8 a2a3 a8f8 a3a4 f8a8 d1d5 a8f8 a4a5 b6a5 c6a5 f8d8 a5c6 d8a8 d5d3 g8f8 d3d1 f8g8 d1d5 a8f8 c6e5 f8a8 d5d7 a8a7 d7h7 a7a1 h7c7 a1g1 e5g4 g1h1 c7c6 e6e7
1. Nc6 Bd5 2. Rd1 Bxh1 3. Rd7 Bxc6
+11.52 4. bxc6 Rc8 5. Kf6 Ra8 6. Rxc7 Kf8 7. Rf7+ Ke8 8. Re7+ Kf8 9. Rc7 b5 10. Rf7+ Ke8 11. Re7+ Kf8 12. c7 Rc8 13. Rg7 a5 14. Ke6 a4 15. Kd7 Re8 16. c8=R Rxc8 17. Kxc8 c4 18. Kd7 g5 19. fxg5 Rg8 20. Kc6 b4 21. Rxh7 Rxg5 22. Rb7 b3 23. Rb8+ Ke7 24. h7 Rh5 25. axb3 Rxh7 26. Rb7+ Ke8 27. bxa4 Rh2 28. Rb4 c3 29. Rf4 Rh1 30. Rc4 Ra1 31. Kb5 Rb1+ 32. Kc5 Kd7 33. Rxc3 Rf1 34. Kb5 Rb1+ 35. Rb3 Rf1 36. f4 Kd6 (depth 37, 0:00:43)

No more time for me.
Sorry but why not 5. .. Rf8+ :oops:

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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by Pafifi » Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:48 pm

zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:38 pm
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:06 pm
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:01 pm
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:58 am
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.
Bd5. Then?
info depth 47 seldepth 88 multipv 1 score cp 860 nodes 22240110022 nps 45244489 hashfull 843 tbhits 0 time 491554 pv d4c6 f7d5 g1d1 d5h1 d1d7 h1d5 c6e5 g8f8 b5a6 e8a8 g5f6 f8e8 d7d5 h8f8 f6g7 e8e7 g7h7 e7e6 c2c4 f8h8 h7g6 a8g8 g6h5 g8g2 e5f3 g2f2 f3h4 f2a2 d5e5 e6d7 e5f5 d7c8 f5e5 a2a6 h4g6 h8d8 f4f5 a6a1 f5f6 a1h1 h5g5 h1g1 g5f5 g1f1 g6f4 d8h8 f6f7 c8d7 h6h7 f1h1 f4g6 h1f1 f5e4 f1f7 g6h8 f7h7 h8g6 h7h1 e5d5 d7c8 g6e7 c8b7 d5f5 h1c1 e4d3 c1d1 d3c2 d1e1 c2d2 e1a1 e7d5 c7c6 d5e7 a1a6 f5f7 b6b5 d2d3 b5c4 d3c4

info depth 50 seldepth 76 multipv 1 score cp 945 nodes 40626922917 nps 46674114 hashfull 968 tbhits 0 time 870438 pv d4c6 f7c4 b5a6 c4d5 c6e5 d5h1 g1d1 h1c6 e5c6 g8f7 c2c4 e8a8 a6a7 f7e6 f2f3 a8f8 d1d5 f8a8 e3e4 a8f8 d5d2 f8c8 d2e2 f5e4 f3e4 h8g8 e2d2 c8a8 d2d5 a8f8 d5d1 f8a8 a2a3 a8f8 a3a4 f8a8 d1d5 a8f8 a4a5 b6a5 c6a5 f8d8 a5c6 d8a8 d5d3 g8f8 d3d1 f8g8 d1d5 a8f8 c6e5 f8a8 d5d7 a8a7 d7h7 a7a1 h7c7 a1g1 e5g4 g1h1 c7c6 e6e7
1. Nc6 Bd5 2. Rd1 Bxh1 3. Rd7 Bxc6
+11.52 4. bxc6 Rc8 5. Kf6 Ra8 6. Rxc7 Kf8 7. Rf7+ Ke8 8. Re7+ Kf8 9. Rc7 b5 10. Rf7+ Ke8 11. Re7+ Kf8 12. c7 Rc8 13. Rg7 a5 14. Ke6 a4 15. Kd7 Re8 16. c8=R Rxc8 17. Kxc8 c4 18. Kd7 g5 19. fxg5 Rg8 20. Kc6 b4 21. Rxh7 Rxg5 22. Rb7 b3 23. Rb8+ Ke7 24. h7 Rh5 25. axb3 Rxh7 26. Rb7+ Ke8 27. bxa4 Rh2 28. Rb4 c3 29. Rf4 Rh1 30. Rc4 Ra1 31. Kb5 Rb1+ 32. Kc5 Kd7 33. Rxc3 Rf1 34. Kb5 Rb1+ 35. Rb3 Rf1 36. f4 Kd6 (depth 37, 0:00:43)

No more time for me.
All right. Got it. Thanks a lot. :D
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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by Pafifi » Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:58 am

zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:01 pm
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:58 am
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.
Bd5. Then?
info depth 47 seldepth 88 multipv 1 score cp 860 nodes 22240110022 nps 45244489 hashfull 843 tbhits 0 time 491554 pv d4c6 f7d5 g1d1 d5h1 d1d7 h1d5 c6e5 g8f8 b5a6 e8a8 g5f6 f8e8 d7d5 h8f8 f6g7 e8e7 g7h7 e7e6 c2c4 f8h8 h7g6 a8g8 g6h5 g8g2 e5f3 g2f2 f3h4 f2a2 d5e5 e6d7 e5f5 d7c8 f5e5 a2a6 h4g6 h8d8 f4f5 a6a1 f5f6 a1h1 h5g5 h1g1 g5f5 g1f1 g6f4 d8h8 f6f7 c8d7 h6h7 f1h1 f4g6 h1f1 f5e4 f1f7 g6h8 f7h7 h8g6 h7h1 e5d5 d7c8 g6e7 c8b7 d5f5 h1c1 e4d3 c1d1 d3c2 d1e1 c2d2 e1a1 e7d5 c7c6 d5e7 a1a6 f5f7 b6b5 d2d3 b5c4 d3c4

info depth 50 seldepth 76 multipv 1 score cp 945 nodes 40626922917 nps 46674114 hashfull 968 tbhits 0 time 870438 pv d4c6 f7c4 b5a6 c4d5 c6e5 d5h1 g1d1 h1c6 e5c6 g8f7 c2c4 e8a8 a6a7 f7e6 f2f3 a8f8 d1d5 f8a8 e3e4 a8f8 d5d2 f8c8 d2e2 f5e4 f3e4 h8g8 e2d2 c8a8 d2d5 a8f8 d5d1 f8a8 a2a3 a8f8 a3a4 f8a8 d1d5 a8f8 a4a5 b6a5 c6a5 f8d8 a5c6 d8a8 d5d3 g8f8 d3d1 f8g8 d1d5 a8f8 c6e5 f8a8 d5d7 a8a7 d7h7 a7a1 h7c7 a1g1 e5g4 g1h1 c7c6 e6e7
BTW, which engine did you use? NNUE?
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Re: Does white have a chance to win here?

Post by MikeGL » Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:26 pm

Pafifi wrote:
Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:58 am
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:01 pm
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:58 am
zullil wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:46 am
Pafifi wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:38 am

All engines available to my poor laptop found nothing. If it's winning, this post becomes a nomination to Hard Talkchess :D
Nc6 wins.
Bd5. Then?
info depth 47 seldepth 88 multipv 1 score cp 860 nodes 22240110022 nps 45244489 hashfull 843 tbhits 0 time 491554 pv d4c6 f7d5 g1d1 d5h1 d1d7 h1d5 c6e5 g8f8 b5a6 e8a8 g5f6 f8e8 d7d5 h8f8 f6g7 e8e7 g7h7 e7e6 c2c4 f8h8 h7g6 a8g8 g6h5 g8g2 e5f3 g2f2 f3h4 f2a2 d5e5 e6d7 e5f5 d7c8 f5e5 a2a6 h4g6 h8d8 f4f5 a6a1 f5f6 a1h1 h5g5 h1g1 g5f5 g1f1 g6f4 d8h8 f6f7 c8d7 h6h7 f1h1 f4g6 h1f1 f5e4 f1f7 g6h8 f7h7 h8g6 h7h1 e5d5 d7c8 g6e7 c8b7 d5f5 h1c1 e4d3 c1d1 d3c2 d1e1 c2d2 e1a1 e7d5 c7c6 d5e7 a1a6 f5f7 b6b5 d2d3 b5c4 d3c4

info depth 50 seldepth 76 multipv 1 score cp 945 nodes 40626922917 nps 46674114 hashfull 968 tbhits 0 time 870438 pv d4c6 f7c4 b5a6 c4d5 c6e5 d5h1 g1d1 h1c6 e5c6 g8f7 c2c4 e8a8 a6a7 f7e6 f2f3 a8f8 d1d5 f8a8 e3e4 a8f8 d5d2 f8c8 d2e2 f5e4 f3e4 h8g8 e2d2 c8a8 d2d5 a8f8 d5d1 f8a8 a2a3 a8f8 a3a4 f8a8 d1d5 a8f8 a4a5 b6a5 c6a5 f8d8 a5c6 d8a8 d5d3 g8f8 d3d1 f8g8 d1d5 a8f8 c6e5 f8a8 d5d7 a8a7 d7h7 a7a1 h7c7 a1g1 e5g4 g1h1 c7c6 e6e7
BTW, which engine did you use? NNUE?
Try to replay the line, it is obviously a variant of NN or NNUE and not an alpha beta output .
I am 100% sure this line is not a typical analysis of an AB engine so answer to you question is YES, this is NN or its variant.
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