Tornado News

[Chessqueen]

well i don't think that 10 games are enough

Yes, of course ! Is just an intermediate result. All my test matches include 100 games (TC=4'+2" - 12-15 minutes per game). So......a little patience !

Can somebody here run a tournament of all the NN and NNUE engines Besides SF NNUE, Komodo Dragon, Lela, which are obviously the strongest one. and post it here or create a Link on Youtube.com

[supersharp77]

Hello Computer and Chessfriends,

i created a new Tornado site here: https://sites.google.com/view/tornadochess/start

you can download the last version 8 or just new Tornado with can be NNUE use it in the evalution function now.

it's amazing increased in strength with just only NNUE!

i did not really well test it, but seems it is now over 3000 elo or more

later i will do my own neural network but that's need many time .... :-/

enjoy,
Engin

Was going to run a new tourney featuring Tornado but this single exe compile must be popcnt compile...(not working in my machine......need w64 npopcnt or x32 Thx AR

[Engin]

Hello Computer and Chessfriends,

i created a new Tornado site here: https://sites.google.com/view/tornadochess/start

you can download the last version 8 or just new Tornado with can be NNUE use it in the evalution function now.

it's amazing increased in strength with just only NNUE!

i did not really well test it, but seems it is now over 3000 elo or more

later i will do my own neural network but that's need many time .... :-/

enjoy,
Engin

Was going to run a new tourney featuring Tornado but this single exe compile must be popcnt compile...(not working in my machine......need w64 npopcnt or x32 Thx AR

sorry, yes this is only 64 bit popcount and SSE support version !

[Angle]

well i don't think that 10 games are enough

Yes, of course ! Is just an intermediate result. All my test matches include 100 games (TC=4'+2" - 12-15 minutes per game). So......a little patience !

Can somebody here run a tournament of all the NN and NNUE engines Besides SF NNUE, Komodo Dragon, Lela, which are obviously the strongest one. and post it here or create a Link on Youtube.com

Interesting idea. Ptobably, I can organize such a tourney after my next planned tournament. But I will include only engines using their own nets (at least not SF and not Leela nets). So Tornado, BBC, Mayhem and some others engines using SF NNUE will not be included. Instead, I will include Ethereal, Slow, Nemorino, RubiChess, Minic, Orion, Seer, Halogen (may be Igel) and others engines using original nets. Also Leela CPU may be included.

[Chessqueen]

well i don't think that 10 games are enough

Yes, of course ! Is just an intermediate result. All my test matches include 100 games (TC=4'+2" - 12-15 minutes per game). So......a little patience !

Can somebody here run a tournament of all the NN and NNUE engines Besides SF NNUE, Komodo Dragon, Lela, which are obviously the strongest one. and post it here or create a Link on Youtube.com

Interesting idea. Probably, I can organize such a tourney after my next planned tournament. But I will include only engines using their own nets (at least not SF and not Leela nets). So Tornado, BBC, Mayhem, and some others engines using SF NNUE will not be included. Instead, I will include Ethereal, Slow, Nemorino, RubiChess, Minic, Orion, Seer, Halogen (may be Igel) and others engines using original nets. Also Leela CPU may be included.

Pedone 2.1 now has its own NNUE, not simply implemented by replacing SF NNUE
"Yes Pedone is now using NNUE. I have implemented my own network with included castle rights and with independent weights for the both sides.
For the training I have used 14 depth search score of Pedone with traditional evaluation and I have used a simple SGD to train the net.
I'm not an expert on NN but I have found on the net a lot of material that have helped the development.
I also have a discussion with Marco Belli and we have helped each other in implementing NNUE."

[Madeleine Birchfield]

Pedone 2.1 now has its own NNUE, not simply implemented by replacing SF NNUE
"Yes Pedone is now using NNUE. I have implemented my own network with included castle rights and with independent weights for the both sides.
For the training I have used 14 depth search score of Pedone with traditional evaluation and I have used a simple SGD to train the net.
I'm not an expert on NN but I have found on the net a lot of material that have helped the development.
I also have a discussion with Marco Belli and we have helped each other in implementing NNUE."

Pedone 2.1 does not have its own NNUE, as stated in the first post of the Pedone 2.1 thread; instead it is the last version of Pedone that does not have NNUE, all future versions of Pedone have NNUE, such as the dev verson of Pedone playing at TCEC.

[Engin]

well i don't think that 10 games are enough

Yes, of course ! Is just an intermediate result. All my test matches include 100 games (TC=4'+2" - 12-15 minutes per game). So......a little patience !

Can somebody here run a tournament of all the NN and NNUE engines Besides SF NNUE, Komodo Dragon, Lela, which are obviously the strongest one. and post it here or create a Link on Youtube.com

Interesting idea. Ptobably, I can organize such a tourney after my next planned tournament. But I will include only engines using their own nets (at least not SF and not Leela nets). So Tornado, BBC, Mayhem and some others engines using SF NNUE will not be included. Instead, I will include Ethereal, Slow, Nemorino, RubiChess, Minic, Orion, Seer, Halogen (may be Igel) and others engines using original nets. Also Leela CPU may be included.

Why not? What is the problem with SF NNUE? Well every engine is playing diffently even it's using same NNUE in the eval function, for example BBC is very weaker then my engine if they using same NNUE file.

I will using my own Network in future but thats takes a lot of time to training

[Angle]

Why not? What is the problem with SF NNUE? Well every engine is playing diffently even it's using same NNUE in the eval function, for example BBC is very weaker then my engine if they using same NNUE file.

The problem is that I am not excited by a competition of eval-clones. Observing a bunch of engines with the same eval (which is not native for them) in one tourney is annoying. It's like a film festival, where all the participants offer the same movie, but in different quality (quality of search). However, the ''plot of movie'' is strongly defined by the eval rather than by search.

[Angle]

Pedone 2.1 now has its own NNUE, not simply implemented by replacing SF NNUE
"Yes Pedone is now using NNUE. I have implemented my own network with included castle rights and with independent weights for the both sides.
For the training I have used 14 depth search score of Pedone with traditional evaluation and I have used a simple SGD to train the net.
I'm not an expert on NN but I have found on the net a lot of material that have helped the development.
I also have a discussion with Marco Belli and we have helped each other in implementing NNUE."

It would be nice to have Pedone NNUE with the original net in this tourney. Fabio says that the new release may be available in January.

[Engin]

Why not? What is the problem with SF NNUE? Well every engine is playing diffently even it's using same NNUE in the eval function, for example BBC is very weaker then my engine if they using same NNUE file.

The problem is that I am not excited by a competition of eval-clones. Observing a bunch of engines with the same eval (which is not native for them) in one tourney is annoying. It's like a film festival, where all the participants offer the same movie, but in different quality (quality of search). However, the ''plot of movie'' is strongly defined by the eval rather than by search.

then you also not use same books for all engines too