Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
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Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
This surprising elo gain happened after the implementation of NNUE,But what it seems more surprising in this league no engine has won a single game with the Black Pieces YET. https://tcec-chess.com/live.html
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Re: Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
WOW rodChade the first engine to win with Black Pieces against NemorinoChessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:20 pm This surprising elo gain happened after the implementation of NNUE,But what it seems more surprising in this league no engine has won a single game with the Black Pieces YET. https://tcec-chess.com/live.html
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Re: Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
The opening author (Cato?) stated that his goal was to put black on the knifes edge between draw and loss, yet still seen often in human play. All of the opening exits have been close to +1.00. The challenge, then, is for an engine to win with white and draw with black.Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:20 pm This surprising elo gain happened after the implementation of NNUE,But what it seems more surprising in this league no engine has won a single game with the Black Pieces YET. https://tcec-chess.com/live.html
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Re: Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
You mean like Stefan Pohl Unbalanced Human Openings ? https://www.sp-cc.de/unbalanced-human-openings.htmdkappe wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:19 pm
The opening author (Cato?) stated that his goal was to put black on the knifes edge between draw and loss, yet still seen often in human play. All of the opening exits have been close to +1.00. The challenge, then, is for an engine to win with white and draw with black.
Normally it's a way to avoid draws and see quicker the elo differences. When an engine can draw or even win with Black then its elo difference with white engine is very visible.
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Re: Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
Perhaps, in this case the elo differenece is overpriced because in *real life* balanced openings normaly are used.Pi4Chess wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:36 pm You mean like Stefan Pohl Unbalanced Human Openings ? https://www.sp-cc.de/unbalanced-human-openings.htm
Normally it's a way to avoid draws and see quicker the elo differences. When an engine can draw or even win with Black then its elo difference with white engine is very visible.
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Re: Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:45 pmWOW rodChade the first engine to win with Black Pieces against Nemorino. here it is in case you missed itChessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:20 pm This surprising elo gain happened after the implementation of NNUE,But what it seems more surprising in this league no engine has won a single game with the Black Pieces YET. https://tcec-chess.com/live.html
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Here is a position in which most human GMs will probably move its White King TO b6 and later promote, here comes the Big Surprise Nemorino promote to Queen and Ethereal resigned after taking the Queen thinking for 1 minuteChessqueen wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 8:20 pm This surprising elo gain happened after the implementation of NNUE,But what it seems more surprising in this league no engine has won a single game with the Black Pieces YET. https://tcec-chess.com/live.html
https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=l1 ... &season=20
[d]2r5/P6k/3R4/1K6/4P3/8/8/5B2 w - - 0 1
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Re: Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
Obviously you cannot read TCEC graphs and output properly, moreover uci engines don't resign at all.Chessqueen wrote: ↑Sun Dec 20, 2020 12:29 pm
Here is a position in which most human GMs will probably move its White King TO b6 and later promote, here comes the Big Surprise Nemorino promote to Queen and Ethereal resigned after taking the Queen thinking for 1 minute :shock:
https://tcec-chess.com/live.html#div=l1 ... &season=20
[d]2r5/P6k/3R4/1K6/4P3/8/8/5B2 w - - 0 1
Nemorino thought 4 minutes and Ethereal answered in 5 seconds, then the GUI adjudicated the game as a TBS win (syzygy 6men adjudication).
Nemorinos move also is no surprise at all, it is a typical move with using tablebases...
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Re: Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
The opening author for League One is now Bastiaan J. Braam, according to the TCEC opening FAQ: https://wiki.chessdom.org/Openings_FAQdkappe wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:19 pm The opening author (Cato?) stated that his goal was to put black on the knifes edge between draw and loss, yet still seen often in human play. All of the opening exits have been close to +1.00. The challenge, then, is for an engine to win with white and draw with black.
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Re: Nemorino is surprising everybody in League 1
TCEC League 1 is now around the level of the old Premier Division/Superfinal from three years ago, so it isn't been surprising that the TCEC tournament directors have decided to use more unbalanced openings in League 1 in recent seasons.Pi4Chess wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:36 pm You mean like Stefan Pohl Unbalanced Human Openings ? https://www.sp-cc.de/unbalanced-human-openings.htm
Normally it's a way to avoid draws and see quicker the elo differences. When an engine can draw or even win with Black then its elo difference with white engine is very visible.