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Lime is an older engine written by the same person that wrote Vice, Richard Allbert, aka Bluefever. You can get an exe and source from here:maksimKorzh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:11 pm Happy you're back to work.
I've never heard of Lime by Richard,
is it open source? Where did you get it???
Can you please share the source code of Lime?
The matter of fact that chess engine reflects your inner problems is totally fine. I wouldn't observe it as pointless for neither your life nor your project. You just have a vague goal and misordered internal vision on how to proceed.
I've already resigned myself to the fact that CCRL is probably out of my reach. Next lowest goal would be to get into CPW, yet it too requires much more work than my bare minimum. The next lowest goal is to be able to participate in this forum without feeling like a nobody who pretends he understands something but doesn't.
shinkarom wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:40 pmI've already resigned myself to the fact that CCRL is probably out of my reach. Next lowest goal would be to get into CPW, yet it too requires much more work than my bare minimum. The next lowest goal is to be able to participate in this forum without feeling like a nobody who pretends he understands something but doesn't.
For this I'm making Delimiter: just to be a fellow chess programmer. I warned that I am high maintenance; any comments (each day would be even better, or once in two days, but I got scared that the discussion of money question totally ruined your impression of me and you chose to ignore me as a bad contributor) would be preferable to silence, because silence makes it necessary to guess how I'm doing, and guessing positively would be vanity. The main reason for having this thread is conversation. It's unfair for me to ask for more attention compared to better programmers, but it's the only way I can proceed.
My earlier post started with the words "The stamina does not allow me to make an engine from scratch anymore. And building on an existing engine requires far too much work before it becomes sufficiently differentiated (in the stronger direction) to not be a cheap clone". I understand that with me simply rewriting files from that LIME62 folder there may be nothing to comment about... Still, it's gonna be some time before the engine works and plays. The enthusiasm may die completely if not propped from the outside.
You remind me myself a few years ago, this is especially true for "feeling like a nobody who pretends he understands something but doesn't" - that's how I feel today as well))) Look at my avatar here, on talkchess - you'll instantly realize who are you dealing with))) I use to say: "if you're thinking that you're understanding something in chess programming - just go to tech room on talk chess and read a couple of posts by hgm or Andrew Grant - you'll realize that you're a total noob and proceeded 1 inch at most for the last couple of years". So feeling stupid, dumb and noob is totally fine here because the chess programming elite are so damn smart people we would probably never reach even in our dreams. It's like - you're ok that you're not able to fly like a superman right? You won't get depressed of that fact - same with reaching the level of chess programming elite. The only thing matters is RELATIVE improvement - where you were a year ago and where are you now.I've already resigned myself to the fact that CCRL is probably out of my reach. Next lowest goal would be to get into CPW, yet it too requires much more work than my bare minimum. The next lowest goal is to be able to participate in this forum without feeling like a nobody who pretends he understands something but doesn't.
Yes, it's totally fine to approach like that. You ARE a fellow programmer already. You ARE writing code, debugging and trying to achieve something - that shouldn't be undervalued. Don't compare yourself with others, compare your self with the previous instance of your self - that's how human grow. Regarding money - it's totally fine - the desire to get donated for what you're doing is a normal desire and the fact that you didn't know how the donations work in this cruel world is fine as well. The idea is simple (trust me I know that from my own freelancing and youtubing experience) - as long as you ask for money - no one cares. This is bad, unfair and demotivating but that's the world we're living in. People would start offering you money on their own as soon as you'll be capable of doing something useful for them. Say your current engine - you're doing it to work something out within your own self, no matter what it is, so literally you're doing it for yourself, hence no one is gonna pay for that. You just try to get me correctly - I was doing USELESS things for quite a long time before realized the simple truth - if you want to get paid you need to provide some service. To get an idea of HOW useless some of my projects were have a look at this one: bootable brainfuck interpreter (no OS, you just boot into a shell that executes code written in esoteric brainfuck language) - (sorry for awful English - I didn't have enough practice - that was the very first youtube video where I started to talk in English in public, watch my latest videos for comparison), later I've made a DOS version of that interpreter:For this I'm making Delimiter: just to be a fellow chess programmer. I warned that I am high maintenance; any comments (each day would be even better, or once in two days, but I got scared that the discussion of money question totally ruined your impression of me and you chose to ignore me as a bad contributor) would be preferable to silence, because silence makes it necessary to guess how I'm doing, and guessing positively would be vanity. The main reason for having this thread is conversation. It's unfair for me to ask for more attention compared to better programmers, but it's the only way I can proceed.
To get enough feedback from the outside you need first to reveal your own path inside (no matter in chess progrmming or in life).My earlier post started with the words "The stamina does not allow me to make an engine from scratch anymore. And building on an existing engine requires far too much work before it becomes sufficiently differentiated (in the stronger direction) to not be a cheap clone". I understand that with me simply rewriting files from that LIME62 folder there may be nothing to comment about... Still, it's gonna be some time before the engine works and plays. The enthusiasm may die completely if not propped from the outside.
How would you describe a man who likes the "programming" part more than the "chess" part? I don't care that much for chess itself, more because it's not easy to wrap my hand around the openings. I just like having my own AI. And my passions (that is, what I dream to create) are compilers and operating systems.
Without seeing the work of that man it's hard to say.shinkarom wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:02 pmHow would you describe a man who likes the "programming" part more than the "chess" part? I don't care that much for chess itself, more because it's not easy to wrap my hand around the openings. I just like having my own AI. And my passions (that is, what I dream to create) are compilers and operating systems.
Regarding donations. I repeat that I didn't seriously expect anyone to give me money. It's just if I was going to wait till I write something good before uttering the oft-quoted line, I'd never have a chance to use it at all.
Konotop I did write for myself, from scratch. Now I'm too tired to start the same grind again for the third time. Better to have a base to build on.
I agree there are not many chess engines in D, but I have written two of them:
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void readinmove(char *m)
{
if(nopvmove(m))
{cout<<"\nno pv move";return;}
char *ptr;
ptr = m;
int prom;
int c = 0;
int flag;
char move_string[6];
while (*ptr != '\0')
{
move_string[0] = *ptr++;
move_string[1] = *ptr++;
move_string[2] = *ptr++;
move_string[3] = *ptr++;
c+=4;
if(*ptr == '\0' || *ptr == ' ')
{
move_string[4] = '\0';
}
else
{
move_string[4] = *ptr++;
move_string[5] = '\0';
c++;
}
flag = understandmove(move_string, &prom);
// printboard();
if (flag == -1)
{
//cout<<"\nnot understood move "<<move_string;
cout<<"\nnot understood"<<m;
assert(flag!=0);
}
if(c>3) break;//fudge
}
}