Playing what engine? As the testing sites did not, and I did not in my testing. Even in self play or plsying another NNUE engine. As posted earlier in this thread.
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it was SF-NNUE v SF-11
Pretty high error bars, but still 100% CFS, FWIW
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8 CPUs
# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%)
1 SF-NNUE: 118 89 21.0 33 63.6 13 16 4 48.5 100
2 SF11 : 0 ---- 12.0 33 36.4 4 16 13 48.5 ---
4 CPUs
# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%)
1 SF-NNUE: 58 44 58.0 100 58.0 27 62 11 62.0 100
2 SF11 : 0 ---- 42.0 100 42.0 11 62 27 62.0 ---
1 CPU
# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%)
1 SF-NNUE: 45 19 281.5 500 56.3 128 307 65 61.4 100
2 SF11 : 0 ---- 218.5 500 43.7 65 307 128 61.4 ---
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Thank you. That is ok with the error bars. Any settings I need to know.brianr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:02 pm it was SF-NNUE v SF-11Pretty high error bars, but still 100% CFS, FWIWCode: Select all
8 CPUs # PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%) 1 SF-NNUE: 118 89 21.0 33 63.6 13 16 4 48.5 100 2 SF11 : 0 ---- 12.0 33 36.4 4 16 13 48.5 --- 4 CPUs # PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%) 1 SF-NNUE: 58 44 58.0 100 58.0 27 62 11 62.0 100 2 SF11 : 0 ---- 42.0 100 42.0 11 62 27 62.0 --- 1 CPU # PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%) 1 SF-NNUE: 45 19 281.5 500 56.3 128 307 65 61.4 100 2 SF11 : 0 ---- 218.5 500 43.7 65 307 128 61.4 ---
I will test this on my system.
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mwyoung wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:20 pmThank you. That is ok with the error bars. Any settings I need to know. And what time controls.brianr wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:02 pm it was SF-NNUE v SF-11Pretty high error bars, but still 100% CFS, FWIWCode: Select all
8 CPUs # PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%) 1 SF-NNUE: 118 89 21.0 33 63.6 13 16 4 48.5 100 2 SF11 : 0 ---- 12.0 33 36.4 4 16 13 48.5 --- 4 CPUs # PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%) 1 SF-NNUE: 58 44 58.0 100 58.0 27 62 11 62.0 100 2 SF11 : 0 ---- 42.0 100 42.0 11 62 27 62.0 --- 1 CPU # PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) W D L D(%) CFS(%) 1 SF-NNUE: 45 19 281.5 500 56.3 128 307 65 61.4 100 2 SF11 : 0 ---- 218.5 500 43.7 65 307 128 61.4 ---
I will test this on my system.
Interesting ignoring the error bars. That you are suggesting that SF NNUE scales better then SF11. As you add more cores.
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Please post your data, complete with full testing conditions. I will be compiling the evidence presented in these threads when I post mine. As of now, there is a sample of 25 games you posted, a sample of SF games rejecting your belief, and conjecture.
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I did post it.AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:10 pmPlease post your data, complete with full testing conditions. I will be compiling the evidence presented in these threads when I post mine. As of now, there is a sample of 25 games you posted, a sample of SF games rejecting your belief, and conjecture.
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The 72-game Stockfish Komodo matchup?
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mwyoung wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:32 pmI did post it. And It is on CCRL AND CEGT.AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:10 pmPlease post your data, complete with full testing conditions. I will be compiling the evidence presented in these threads when I post mine. As of now, there is a sample of 25 games you posted, a sample of SF games rejecting your belief, and conjecture.
Remember you trashing CCRL data. That test alone was over 1000 games.Both of these testing sites have Stockfish and Komodo nnue engine test with 1 and more cores.
As I said the data is there for all to see.
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Could you please post the specific data points, and values which you are deriving your belief from? If you tell me to get it myself, you'll reject the information I choose to take. Please present to me your argument for NNUE scaling differing from Classical scaling, featuring data points from CCRL and CEGT with links.mwyoung wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:41 pmmwyoung wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:32 pmI did post it. And It is on CCRL AND CEGT.AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:10 pmPlease post your data, complete with full testing conditions. I will be compiling the evidence presented in these threads when I post mine. As of now, there is a sample of 25 games you posted, a sample of SF games rejecting your belief, and conjecture.
Remember you trashing CCRL data. That test alone was over 1000 games.Both of these testing sites have Stockfish and Komodo nnue engine test with 1 and more cores.
As I said the data is there for all to see.
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AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:44 pmCould you please post the specific data points, and values which you are deriving your belief from? If you tell me to get it myself, you'll reject the information I choose to take. Please present to me your argument for NNUE scaling differing from Classical scaling, featuring data points from CCRL and CEGT with links.mwyoung wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:41 pmmwyoung wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:32 pmI did post it. And It is on CCRL AND CEGT.AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Wed Dec 30, 2020 9:10 pmPlease post your data, complete with full testing conditions. I will be compiling the evidence presented in these threads when I post mine. As of now, there is a sample of 25 games you posted, a sample of SF games rejecting your belief, and conjecture.
Remember you trashing CCRL data. That test alone was over 1000 games.Both of these testing sites have Stockfish and Komodo nnue engine test with 1 and more cores.
As I said the data is there for all to see.
Let me get this right. I posted data, you chimed in and gave a B.S. formula that NNUE clearly ignored in my posted data. And saying I was being deceitful.
I post independent data from CCRL. Again showing NNUE ignores your scaling formula. And then you also trash CCRL testing.
And now you want me to gather all the data for you.....
It would have been much wiser to do that first
The data is there. CCRL, CEGT, and posted data here. More to come.
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