Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Ponti »

That FF2 8CPU v SF Dev 8CPU (5.2) is a weird game !!
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Graham Banks »

[pgn][Event "FF2 8CPU v SF Dev 8CPU"]
[Site "ChessGUI2"]
[Date "2021.02.16"]
[Round "6.1"]
[White "Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU"]
[Black "Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Time "7:10:22 a.m."]
[ECO "B06"]
[Opening "Pirc; Robatsch; Modern; King Pawn Fianchetto; B06"]
[TimeControl "7200+30"]
[PlyCount "115"]
[Number "11"]
[Termination "3-fold rep"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
[Variant "normal"]

{ Xeon X5430x2 Octal }
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2.d4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} d6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
3.f3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nf6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
4.c4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Bg7 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
5.Ne2 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} a6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
6.Be3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} O-O {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
7.Nec3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nbd7 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
8.Be2 {[%eval 28,44] [%emt 00:06:05]} e5 {(e5) [%eval -38,39] [%emt 00:03:45]}
9.d5 {(d5) [%eval 20,40] [%emt 00:02:00]} Nh5 {(Nh5) [%eval -52,41] [%emt 00:02:18]}
10.g3 {(g3) [%eval 37,40] [%emt 00:01:39]} f5 {(f5) [%eval -44,38] [%emt 00:01:50]}
11.Nd2 {(Nd2) [%eval 23,39] [%emt 00:02:08]} Ndf6 {(c5) [%eval -34,39] [%emt 00:08:52]}
12.c5 {(c5) [%eval 30,37] [%emt 00:02:11]} fxe4 {(fxe4) [%eval -48,37] [%emt 00:01:44]}
13.Ndxe4 {(Ndxe4) [%eval 34,44] [%emt 00:06:05]} Nxe4 {(Nxe4) [%eval -47,40] [%emt 00:02:31]}
14.Nxe4 {(Nxe4) [%eval 33,39] [%emt 00:01:22]} Nf6 {(Nf6) [%eval -26,36] [%emt 00:01:40]}
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17.Qb3 {(Qb3) [%eval 33,43] [%emt 00:02:01]} Kh8 {(Bxe4) [%eval -38,41] [%emt 00:02:34]}
18.Bg5 {(Bg5) [%eval 30,42] [%emt 00:01:44]} Qd7 {(Qd7) [%eval -32,44] [%emt 00:01:52]}
19.g4 {(g4) [%eval 37,43] [%emt 00:01:43]} Bxe4 {(Bxe4) [%eval -22,42] [%emt 00:01:52]}
20.gxh5 {(gxh5) [%eval 31,46] [%emt 00:01:34]} Bf5 {(Bf5) [%eval -25,44] [%emt 00:02:16]}
21.h6 {(h6) [%eval 25,47] [%emt 00:02:02]} Bf6 {(Bf6) [%eval -19,45] [%emt 00:02:24]}
22.Bxf6 {(Bxf6) [%eval 26,44] [%emt 00:01:33]} Rxf6 {(Rxf6) [%eval -20,43] [%emt 00:01:57]}
23.Qxb7 {(Qxb7) [%eval 40,47] [%emt 00:01:59]} Qd8 {(Qd8) [%eval -22,43] [%emt 00:02:29]}
24.cxd6 {(cxd6) [%eval 33,46] [%emt 00:02:48]} Rxd6 {(Rxd6) [%eval -32,42] [%emt 00:01:47]}
25.Rc1 {(Rc1) [%eval 20,46] [%emt 00:02:24]} Rc8 {(Rc8) [%eval -17,42] [%emt 00:02:11]}
26.Qa7 {(Qa7) [%eval 25,45] [%emt 00:06:23]} Rxd5 {(Rxd5) [%eval -24,45] [%emt 00:03:00]}
27.Qe3 {(Qe3) [%eval 14,40] [%emt 00:01:05]} Qf6 {(Qf6) [%eval -23,44] [%emt 00:03:30]}
28.Rc5 {(Rc5) [%eval 14,50] [%emt 00:06:34]} Qb6 {(Qb6) [%eval -20,44] [%emt 00:01:42]}
29.Rc3 {(Rc3) [%eval 10,42] [%emt 00:01:12]} Qf6 {(Qf6) [%eval -23,44] [%emt 00:02:09]}
30.Rc5 {(Kf2) [%eval 13,47] [%emt 00:05:59]} Qb6 {(Qb6) [%eval -15,47] [%emt 00:03:22]}
31.Rc3 {(Rc3) [%eval 10,47] [%emt 00:01:26]} Qf6 {(Qf6) [%eval -9,47] [%emt 00:02:23]}
32.Rc4 {(Rc4) [%eval 20,44] [%emt 00:01:27]} Qd6 {(Qd6) [%eval -16,44] [%emt 00:02:05]}
33.O-O {(O-O) [%eval 13,44] [%emt 00:02:11]} Bd3 {(Bd3) [%eval -11,48] [%emt 00:01:56]}
34.Bxd3 {(Bxd3) [%eval 11,46] [%emt 00:02:34]} Rxd3 {(Rxd3) [%eval -9,48] [%emt 00:02:17]}
35.Qe4 {(Qe4) [%eval 13,44] [%emt 00:02:41]} Rd5 {(Rd5) [%eval -15,44] [%emt 00:01:44]}
36.Rfc1 {(Re1) [%eval 11,52] [%emt 00:02:18]} Kg8 {(Kg8) [%eval -10,47] [%emt 00:02:36]}
37.R1c2 {(R1c2) [%eval 0,48] [%emt 00:03:17]} Rd8 {(Rd8) [%eval 0,48] [%emt 00:01:34]}
38.Kg2 {(b4) [%eval 0,49] [%emt 00:01:13]} c5 {(c5) [%eval 0,50] [%emt 00:01:38]}
39.b3 {(a4) [%eval 0,55] [%emt 00:02:47]} Qf8 {(Qf8) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:36]}
40.Qe3 {(Qe3) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:05]} Rd3 {(Rd3) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:39]}
41.Qe2 {(Qe2) [%eval 0,69] [%emt 00:01:46]} a5 {(a5) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:30]}
42.Rxc5 {(Qe4) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:01:41]} Qxh6 {(Qxh6) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:30]}
43.Rxe5 {(Rxe5) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:23]} Qxh4 {(Qxh4) [%eval 0,61] [%emt 00:01:51]}
44.Re8 {(Re8) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:33]} Kg7 {(Kg7) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:01:49]}
45.Qe5 {(Qe5) [%eval 0,60] [%emt 00:01:55]} Kh6 {(Kh6) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:04:30]}
46.Rxd8 {(Rxd8) [%eval 0,60] [%emt 00:01:21]} Rxd8 {(Qxd8) [%eval 0,56] [%emt 00:02:00]}
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49.Kg3 {(Kg3) [%eval 0,46] [%emt 00:01:11]} Rg1 {(Rg1) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:02:15]}
50.Kf4 {(Kf4) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:15]} g5 {(g5) [%eval 0,61] [%emt 00:01:22]}
51.Ke5 {(Ke3) [%eval 0,50] [%emt 00:01:48]} Re1 {(Re1) [%eval 0,55] [%emt 00:01:41]}
52.Kd4 {(Kd4) [%eval 0,53] [%emt 00:02:38]} Re6 {(Re6) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:02:26]}
53.Qf8 {(Qf8) [%eval 0,51] [%emt 00:01:15]} Kg6 {(Kg6) [%eval 0,55] [%emt 00:01:34]}
54.Qg8 {(Qg8) [%eval 0,49] [%emt 00:01:01]} Kf6 {(Kf6) [%eval 0,56] [%emt 00:01:19]}
55.Qh8 {(Qd8) [%eval 0,51] [%emt 00:02:39]} Kg6 {(Kg6) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:01:21]}
56.Qg8 {(Qg8) [%eval 0,51] [%emt 00:01:44]} Kf6 {(Kf6) [%eval 0,52] [%emt 00:01:35]}
57.Qf8 {(Qd8) [%eval 0,56] [%emt 00:01:25]} Kg6 {(Kg6) [%eval 0,45] [%emt 00:00:01]}
58.Qg8 {(Qg8) [%eval 0,56] [%emt 00:04:24]}
1/2-1/2[/pgn]


[pgn][Event "FF2 8CPU v SF Dev 8CPU"]
[Site "ChessGUI2"]
[Date "2021.02.16"]
[Round "6.2"]
[White "Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU"]
[Black "Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Time "11:11:50 a.m."]
[ECO "B06"]
[Opening "Pirc; Robatsch; Modern; King Pawn Fianchetto; B06"]
[TimeControl "7200+30"]
[PlyCount "132"]
[Number "12"]
[Termination "GUI adjudication"]
[BlackType "program"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[Variant "normal"]

{ Xeon X5430x2 Octal }
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2.d4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} d6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
3.f3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nf6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
4.c4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Bg7 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
5.Ne2 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} a6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
6.Be3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} O-O {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
7.Nec3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nbd7 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
8.Be2 {[%eval 32,45] [%emt 00:11:33]} e5 {(e5) [%eval -12,43] [%emt 00:04:15]}
9.d5 {(d5) [%eval 56,37] [%emt 00:01:09]} Nh5 {(Nh5) [%eval -11,41] [%emt 00:01:56]}
10.g3 {(g3) [%eval 44,39] [%emt 00:02:15]} f5 {(f5) [%eval -13,40] [%emt 00:01:42]}
11.Nd2 {(Nd2) [%eval 44,38] [%emt 00:01:27]} c5 {(c5) [%eval -13,38] [%emt 00:02:26]}
12.a4 {(dxc6) [%eval 43,40] [%emt 00:06:58]} Ndf6 {(Ndf6) [%eval -8,39] [%emt 00:03:01]}
13.Bd3 {(Qc2) [%eval 45,39] [%emt 00:06:50]} Bd7 {(Rf7) [%eval 0,38] [%emt 00:02:04]}
14.Qc2 {(Qe2) [%eval 37,39] [%emt 00:01:43]} fxe4 {(fxe4) [%eval -12,38] [%emt 00:01:45]}
15.Bxe4 {(Bxe4) [%eval 47,39] [%emt 00:01:32]} Bh3 {(Bh3) [%eval -13,39] [%emt 00:02:26]}
16.Ra3 {(Ra3) [%eval 49,38] [%emt 00:01:56]} Qd7 {(b6) [%eval -45,43] [%emt 00:08:58]}
17.a5 {(Bg5) [%eval 52,40] [%emt 00:04:38]} Rab8 {(Rab8) [%eval -52,41] [%emt 00:03:34]}
18.Qa4 {(Qa4) [%eval 61,38] [%emt 00:01:03]} Qc8 {(Qc8) [%eval -62,42] [%emt 00:01:22]}
19.Qb3 {(Qb3) [%eval 72,44] [%emt 00:05:26]} Nd7 {(Nd7) [%eval -51,43] [%emt 00:01:38]}
20.Qa4 {(Qa4) [%eval 73,44] [%emt 00:06:27]} Ndf6 {(Ndf6) [%eval -33,42] [%emt 00:01:55]}
21.Qb3 {(Qb3) [%eval 67,48] [%emt 00:07:05]} Qd7 {(Nd7) [%eval -33,43] [%emt 00:04:55]}
22.Rg1 {(Rg1) [%eval 54,46] [%emt 00:01:10]} Bf5 {(Nxe4) [%eval -31,41] [%emt 00:01:36]}
23.Qa4 {(Qb6) [%eval 74,41] [%emt 00:04:27]} Qc8 {(Qc8) [%eval -49,45] [%emt 00:03:50]}
24.b4 {(g4) [%eval 78,40] [%emt 00:04:56]} Bd7 {(Bd7) [%eval -40,40] [%emt 00:05:51]}
25.b5 {(b5) [%eval 47,40] [%emt 00:02:22]} Rf7 {(Rf7) [%eval -44,46] [%emt 00:01:45]}
26.Qd1 {(Qd1) [%eval 37,42] [%emt 00:04:46]} b6 {(b6) [%eval -29,47] [%emt 00:02:21]}
27.axb6 {(axb6) [%eval 29,41] [%emt 00:01:23]} Rxb6 {(Rxb6) [%eval -22,45] [%emt 00:01:38]}
28.Rxa6 {(Rxa6) [%eval 37,44] [%emt 00:04:40]} Rxa6 {(Rxa6) [%eval -26,48] [%emt 00:03:06]}
29.bxa6 {(bxa6) [%eval 33,45] [%emt 00:01:01]} Qxa6 {(Qxa6) [%eval -35,49] [%emt 00:01:52]}
30.Ke2 {(Ke2) [%eval 35,42] [%emt 00:01:22]} Qc8 {(Qc8) [%eval -24,45] [%emt 00:01:29]}
31.Qb3 {(Qb3) [%eval 44,43] [%emt 00:05:32]} Bf5 {(Be8) [%eval -19,42] [%emt 00:01:37]}
32.g4 {(g4) [%eval 22,45] [%emt 00:01:13]} Bxe4 {(Bxe4) [%eval -20,45] [%emt 00:01:35]}
33.Ndxe4 {(Ncxe4) [%eval 20,46] [%emt 00:03:05]} Rb7 {(Nf4) [%eval -7,48] [%emt 00:04:03]}
34.Nb5 {(Nb5) [%eval 11,49] [%emt 00:00:51]} Nf4 {(Nf4) [%eval 0,51] [%emt 00:02:01]}
35.Bxf4 {(Bxf4) [%eval 10,52] [%emt 00:01:03]} exf4 {(exf4) [%eval 0,58] [%emt 00:01:24]}
36.Nexd6 {(Nexd6) [%eval 0,52] [%emt 00:02:48]} Re7 {(Re7) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:02:04]}
37.Kf2 {(Kf2) [%eval 0,52] [%emt 00:01:09]} Qd8 {(Qd8) [%eval 0,61] [%emt 00:02:02]}
38.Re1 {(Re1) [%eval 0,56] [%emt 00:01:20]} Rxe1 {(Rxe1) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:01:58]}
39.Kxe1 {(Kxe1) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:02]} Bf8 {(Bf8) [%eval 0,63] [%emt 00:01:23]}
40.g5 {(g5) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:01:01]} Bxd6 {(Bxd6) [%eval 0,63] [%emt 00:01:48]}
41.gxf6 {(gxf6) [%eval 0,58] [%emt 00:01:16]} Qxf6 {(Qxf6) [%eval 0,66] [%emt 00:02:00]}
42.Nxd6 {(Qd3) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:01]} Qxd6 {(Qxd6) [%eval 0,68] [%emt 00:03:43]}
43.Kd2 {(Kf1) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:07]} Qe5 {(Qe5) [%eval 0,67] [%emt 00:02:25]}
44.Qc3 {(Qd3) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:11]} Qe7 {(Qe7) [%eval 0,61] [%emt 00:01:29]}
45.h3 {(h3) [%eval 0,65] [%emt 00:01:00]} Kf7 {(Kf7) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:01:25]}
46.Qd3 {(Qb3) [%eval 0,61] [%emt 00:01:06]} Kf6 {(Qe5) [%eval 0,63] [%emt 00:01:33]}
47.h4 {(Kc2) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:01:05]} Kf7 {(Qe5) [%eval 0,70] [%emt 00:01:26]}
48.h5 {(h5) [%eval 0,65] [%emt 00:01:23]} Qe5 {(Qe5) [%eval 0,68] [%emt 00:01:17]}
49.h6 {(h6) [%eval 0,77] [%emt 00:02:05]} Kf6 {(Kf6) [%eval 0,72] [%emt 00:06:51]}
50.Kc2 {(Kc2) [%eval 0,99] [%emt 00:01:34]} Qf5 {(Qe1) [%eval 0,87] [%emt 00:03:23]}
51.Qxf5 {(Qxf5) [%eval 0,83] [%emt 00:01:13]} Kxf5 {(Kxf5) [%eval 0,91] [%emt 00:01:19]}
52.Kd1 {(Kd2) [%eval 0,87] [%emt 00:01:24]} Kf6 {(Kf6) [%eval 0,96] [%emt 00:01:15]}
53.Kc2 {(Ke2) [%eval 0,92] [%emt 00:00:56]} Ke5 {(Kf5) [%eval 0,97] [%emt 00:02:11]}
54.Kd2 {(Kd3) [%eval 0,101] [%emt 00:00:55]} Kf5 {(Kf5) [%eval 0,98] [%emt 00:01:10]}
55.Kd3 {(Ke2) [%eval 0,97] [%emt 00:01:03]} Kf6 {(Kf6) [%eval 0,101] [%emt 00:01:23]}
56.Kc2 {(Ke4) [%eval 0,100] [%emt 00:02:10]} g5 {(Kf5) [%eval 0,102] [%emt 00:01:39]}
57.Kc3 {(Kd3) [%eval 0,97] [%emt 00:01:46]} Kf7 {(Kg6) [%eval 0,98] [%emt 00:03:38]}
58.Kd3 {(Kd3) [%eval 0,98] [%emt 00:01:10]} Kg6 {(Ke7) [%eval 0,102] [%emt 00:01:05]}
59.Kc2 {(Ke2) [%eval 0,95] [%emt 00:01:01]} Kf6 {(Kf6) [%eval 0,99] [%emt 00:07:08]}
60.Kc1 {(Kd3) [%eval 0,98] [%emt 00:03:22]} Kg6 {(Kg6) [%eval 0,81] [%emt 00:00:55]}
61.Kd2 {(Kd1) [%eval 0,99] [%emt 00:01:08]} Kf6 {(Kf5) [%eval 0,77] [%emt 00:01:08]}
62.Ke2 {(Kc2) [%eval 0,103] [%emt 00:02:47]} Kf7 {(Kf5) [%eval 0,101] [%emt 00:06:07]}
63.Kf2 {(Kd2) [%eval 0,98] [%emt 00:00:50]} Kf6 {(Ke7) [%eval 0,103] [%emt 00:00:54]}
64.Ke2 {(Kg2) [%eval 0,93] [%emt 00:01:03]} Kf5 {(Kf5) [%eval 0,105] [%emt 00:04:53]}
65.Kd3 {(Kd1) [%eval 0,101] [%emt 00:01:00]} Kg6 {(Kg6) [%eval 0,98] [%emt 00:00:12]}
66.Kc3 {(Kc3) [%eval 0,108] [%emt 00:01:58]} Kf5 {(Kf6) [%eval 0,73] [%emt 00:00:19]}
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Albert Silver »

cc2150dx wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:43 pm Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Ozymandias »

Albert Silver wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:32 am
cc2150dx wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:43 pm Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
So that was the question you were worried about.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Paul Bedrey »

Albert Silver wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:32 am
cc2150dx wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:43 pm Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
Albert, sorry to bother you but I just purchased Fat Fritz 2. I have no experience with Fritz 17 interface. Is there somewhere I can go for advice? A video or question and answer board?

I like to play two computers against each other. Program A on one versus B on the other and using a PGN opening file for the start position. So far Fat Fritz 2 only runs using Easy Game. Is that for all chess playing regardless of difficulty? Or can Enter and Analyze be used or is that just for deep analysis only. If so I don't see where I can load a PGN file in Easy Game.

Thanks in advance. My last experience was with Fritz 8 so it's been a long time.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Albert Silver »

Ozymandias wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:25 am
Albert Silver wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:32 am
cc2150dx wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:43 pm Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
So that was the question you were worried about.
Nah, I had not been aware that embedding as SF did would cause such a ruckus, or that it was even an issue since it was in SF releases. I was misinformed, so once made aware of it, I took steps to resolve it. That was obvious, but contempt really was for that reason. Back in July or August I had asked about contempt in Discord and was told that it had no impact with NNUE enabled. So the only purpose of that change was to quash the questions about it. :-)
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

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Paul Bedrey wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:32 pm
Albert Silver wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:32 am
cc2150dx wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:43 pm Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
Albert, sorry to bother you but I just purchased Fat Fritz 2. I have no experience with Fritz 17 interface. Is there somewhere I can go for advice? A video or question and answer board?

I like to play two computers against each other. Program A on one versus B on the other and using a PGN opening file for the start position. So far Fat Fritz 2 only runs using Easy Game. Is that for all chess playing regardless of difficulty? Or can Enter and Analyze be used or is that just for deep analysis only. If so I don't see where I can load a PGN file in Easy Game.

Thanks in advance. My last experience was with Fritz 8 so it's been a long time.
I should probably do a video explaining this, but for a quick reply here:

1) Enter the program using Classic Menu (Enter and Analyze is the same)
2) At the top go to Engine
3) Select Engine Match or Tournament
4) In the match or tournament setup, on the left will be the option 'Database'. Choose it. Locate the PGN you want to use, and very important: put a check in "Use".

The other options should be fairly self-explanatory.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

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Albert Silver wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:24 pm
Ozymandias wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:25 am
Albert Silver wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:32 am
cc2150dx wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:43 pm Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
So that was the question you were worried about.
Nah, I had not been aware that embedding as SF did would cause such a ruckus, or that it was even an issue since it was in SF releases. I was misinformed, so once made aware of it, I took steps to resolve it. That was obvious, but contempt really was for that reason. Back in July or August I had asked about contempt in Discord and was told that it had no impact with NNUE enabled. So the only purpose of that change was to quash the questions about it. :-)
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

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[pgn][Event "FF2 8CPU v SF Dev 8CPU"]
[Site "ChessGUI2"]
[Date "2021.02.16"]
[Round "7.1"]
[White "Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU"]
[Black "Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Time "7:46:03 p.m."]
[ECO "C67"]
[Opening "Rio Gambit Accepted, Ruy Lopez; C67"]
[TimeControl "7200+30"]
[PlyCount "53"]
[Number "13"]
[Termination "3-fold rep"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
[Variant "normal"]

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4.O-O {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nxe4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
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12.Qxe1 {(Qxe1) [%eval 12,46] [%emt 00:02:56]} b6 {(b6) [%eval -18,46] [%emt 00:02:33]}
13.Nxf6 {(c3) [%eval 15,46] [%emt 00:01:58]} Qxf6 {(Qxf6) [%eval -17,46] [%emt 00:04:27]}
14.d3 {(Qe3) [%eval 24,47] [%emt 00:01:50]} Bb7 {(Bb7) [%eval -12,47] [%emt 00:01:40]}
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17.c3 {(c3) [%eval 13,50] [%emt 00:02:10]} h6 {(h6) [%eval -8,47] [%emt 00:02:17]}
18.h3 {(Bd2) [%eval 19,46] [%emt 00:04:54]} Re8 {(Re8) [%eval -8,46] [%emt 00:05:26]}
19.Bd2 {(Bd2) [%eval 21,45] [%emt 00:01:23]} g5 {(g5) [%eval -7,49] [%emt 00:01:38]}
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21.Qg4 {(Qg4) [%eval 0,49] [%emt 00:04:43]} Nh4 {(Nh4) [%eval 0,43] [%emt 00:01:47]}
22.Qg3 {(Rb1) [%eval 0,49] [%emt 00:03:30]} Kg7 {(Nf5) [%eval 0,46] [%emt 00:04:19]}
23.a3 {(f3) [%eval 0,44] [%emt 00:01:13]} Nf5 {(f6) [%eval 0,45] [%emt 00:01:31]}
24.Qg4 {(Qg4) [%eval 0,52] [%emt 00:01:35]} Nh4 {(Nh4) [%eval 0,47] [%emt 00:01:59]}
25.Qg3 {(Rd1) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:05:00]} Nf5 {(Nf5) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:41]}
26.Qg4 {(Qg4) [%eval 0,48] [%emt 00:02:20]} Nh4 {(Nh4) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:44]}
27.Qg3 {(Qg3) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:03:02]}
1/2-1/2[/pgn]


[pgn][Event "FF2 8CPU v SF Dev 8CPU"]
[Site "ChessGUI2"]
[Date "2021.02.16"]
[Round "7.2"]
[White "Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU"]
[Black "Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Time "9:44:34 p.m."]
[ECO "C67"]
[Opening "Rio Gambit Accepted, Ruy Lopez; C67"]
[TimeControl "7200+30"]
[PlyCount "123"]
[Number "14"]
[Termination "GUI TB adjudication"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
[Variant "normal"]

{ Xeon X5430x2 Octal }
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2.Nf3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nc6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
3.Bb5 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nf6 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
4.O-O {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]} Nxe4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 00:00:00]}
5.Re1 {[%eval 14,46] [%emt 00:03:42]} Nd6 {(Nd6) [%eval -20,48] [%emt 00:02:51]}
6.Nxe5 {(Nxe5) [%eval 18,45] [%emt 00:01:42]} Be7 {(Nxe5) [%eval -16,48] [%emt 00:01:45]}
7.Bf1 {(Bf1) [%eval 21,47] [%emt 00:01:48]} Nxe5 {(Nxe5) [%eval -17,49] [%emt 00:02:03]}
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10.Re1 {(Re1) [%eval 20,44] [%emt 00:02:10]} Re8 {(Re8) [%eval -12,44] [%emt 00:02:20]}
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12.Qxe1 {(Qxe1) [%eval 15,42] [%emt 00:01:30]} Ne8 {(Ne8) [%eval -16,43] [%emt 00:02:18]}
13.Bf4 {(Bf4) [%eval 14,43] [%emt 00:03:12]} d5 {(d5) [%eval -12,41] [%emt 00:02:09]}
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15.Qe2 {(Qe3) [%eval 16,40] [%emt 00:05:51]} c6 {(c6) [%eval -12,39] [%emt 00:01:35]}
16.Re1 {(Re1) [%eval 12,41] [%emt 00:04:00]} h6 {(h6) [%eval -10,44] [%emt 00:01:43]}
17.h3 {(h3) [%eval 12,43] [%emt 00:03:24]} Nd6 {(a5) [%eval -14,41] [%emt 00:01:38]}
18.a4 {(Qf3) [%eval 18,39] [%emt 00:02:02]} a5 {(a5) [%eval -5,44] [%emt 00:01:52]}
19.Nf3 {(Qd1) [%eval 10,39] [%emt 00:01:58]} Nc4 {(Nc4) [%eval 0,39] [%emt 00:01:41]}
20.b3 {(b3) [%eval 14,39] [%emt 00:01:49]} Nd6 {(Nd6) [%eval 0,43] [%emt 00:01:49]}
21.Qb2 {(Qb2) [%eval 9,42] [%emt 00:03:33]} Be7 {(Ne4) [%eval 0,49] [%emt 00:05:53]}
22.Ne5 {(Ne5) [%eval 0,40] [%emt 00:04:20]} Bh4 {(Ne4) [%eval 0,49] [%emt 00:02:26]}
23.c4 {(Bd3) [%eval 9,40] [%emt 00:01:13]} Ne4 {(Ne4) [%eval 0,45] [%emt 00:01:55]}
24.Be3 {(Be3) [%eval 9,46] [%emt 00:01:35]} Bf6 {(Bf6) [%eval -9,44] [%emt 00:01:46]}
25.Bd3 {(Bd3) [%eval 8,59] [%emt 00:06:05]} Nd6 {(Qe7) [%eval -6,50] [%emt 00:01:49]}
26.Bf1 {(Bf1) [%eval 8,45] [%emt 00:01:47]} Ne4 {(Ne4) [%eval 0,48] [%emt 00:01:40]}
27.Qc2 {(g4) [%eval 8,46] [%emt 00:06:10]} c5 {(Ng3) [%eval 0,47] [%emt 00:02:22]}
28.Qd1 {(Rd1) [%eval 0,46] [%emt 00:01:47]} cxd4 {(Qd6) [%eval 0,53] [%emt 00:01:46]}
29.Bxd4 {(Bxd4) [%eval 8,52] [%emt 00:02:00]} Qc7 {(Qd6) [%eval 0,53] [%emt 00:01:38]}
30.Ng4 {(Ng4) [%eval 0,52] [%emt 00:01:29]} Bxd4 {(Bxd4) [%eval 0,56] [%emt 00:01:52]}
31.Qxd4 {(Qxd4) [%eval 0,56] [%emt 00:01:29]} dxc4 {(dxc4) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:01:46]}
32.Bxc4 {(Bxc4) [%eval 0,61] [%emt 00:01:36]} Rd8 {(Rd8) [%eval 0,60] [%emt 00:02:42]}
33.Qe5 {(Qe5) [%eval 0,51] [%emt 00:01:53]} Qxe5 {(Qxe5) [%eval 0,60] [%emt 00:02:07]}
34.Nxe5 {(Nxe5) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:25]} Nd6 {(Nd6) [%eval 0,61] [%emt 00:03:29]}
35.Bd5 {(g4) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:22]} Kf8 {(Kf8) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:47]}
36.g4 {(g4) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:52]} Bd7 {(Bd7) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:07:01]}
37.f4 {(Nxd7) [%eval 0,55] [%emt 00:01:32]} Be8 {(Be8) [%eval 0,55] [%emt 00:02:00]}
38.Kf2 {(Kf2) [%eval 0,55] [%emt 00:01:28]} Rc8 {(Rc8) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:02:01]}
39.Ke3 {(Ke3) [%eval 0,53] [%emt 00:01:36]} b6 {(b6) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:01:40]}
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41.axb5 {(axb5) [%eval 0,57] [%emt 00:01:43]} Rc3 {(Rc3) [%eval 0,60] [%emt 00:01:57]}
42.Kd2 {(Kd2) [%eval 0,53] [%emt 00:01:40]} Nxb5 {(Nxb5) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:01:47]}
43.Nd3 {(Ra1) [%eval 0,59] [%emt 00:02:58]} Bc6 {(Bc6) [%eval 0,60] [%emt 00:02:06]}
44.Bxc6 {(Bxc6) [%eval 0,60] [%emt 00:01:27]} Rxc6 {(Rxc6) [%eval 0,60] [%emt 00:01:24]}
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46.Ke3 {(Ke3) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:02:54]} Nd4 {(Nd4) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:01:37]}
47.Nc4 {(Nc4) [%eval 0,62] [%emt 00:01:34]} Nc2 {(Nc2) [%eval 0,61] [%emt 00:01:28]}
48.Ke2 {(Kf2) [%eval 0,64] [%emt 00:01:24]} Rd5 {(Rd5) [%eval 0,54] [%emt 00:01:41]}
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62.Kxg6 {(Kxg6) [%eval 0,245] [%emt 00:00:12]}
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Re: Fat Fritz 2 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2021-02-11 64-bit 8CPU (LTC)

Post by Albert Silver »

Ozymandias wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:34 pm
Albert Silver wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:24 pm
Ozymandias wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:25 am
Albert Silver wrote: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:32 am
cc2150dx wrote: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:43 pm Oh okay. Contempt = 0 would be better against SF dev. I guess Chessbase decided to change it 24 to beat up on weaker opponents :D
My understanding is that contempt has no effect on it with NNUE enabled. I merely switched back because I got asked a lot about it, and figured this would just quiet that question. :-)
So that was the question you were worried about.
Nah, I had not been aware that embedding as SF did would cause such a ruckus, or that it was even an issue since it was in SF releases. I was misinformed, so once made aware of it, I took steps to resolve it. That was obvious, but contempt really was for that reason. Back in July or August I had asked about contempt in Discord and was told that it had no impact with NNUE enabled. So the only purpose of that change was to quash the questions about it. :-)
Misinformed by a third party, CB or self-induced?
All mistakes are my own.
"Tactics are the bricks and sticks that make up a game, but positional play is the architectural blueprint."