Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

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Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by hgm » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:20 pm

I just started this tournament on my server. Live viewing of the games is possible at:

http://80.100.28.169/gothic/battle.html

Participants:

Joker80.np
SMIRF 1.75h-X
TJchess10x8 0.121
TSCP Gothic
Fairy-Max 4.8v
ChessV 0.94 (WB)
BigLion80 2.23x
ArcBishop80 1.00

Each program will play each other program 10 times: 5 different opening setups with both colors. We will start with a cycle of Bird's Chess.

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Core 2 Duo (E6600) 2.4GHz
PSWBTM + WinBoard 4.20091219

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by Spacious_Mind » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:31 am

hgm wrote:I just started this tournament on my server. Live viewing of the games is possible at:

http://80.100.28.169/gothic/battle.html

Participants:

Joker80.np
SMIRF 1.75h-X
TJchess10x8 0.121
TSCP Gothic
Fairy-Max 4.8v
ChessV 0.94 (WB)
BigLion80 2.23x
ArcBishop80 1.00

Each program will play each other program 10 times: 5 different opening setups with both colors. We will start with a cycle of Bird's Chess.

Code: Select all

Specs:
Core 2 Duo (E6600) 2.4GHz
PSWBTM + WinBoard 4.20091219
Thanks for your link it is certainly an interesting and different kind of game.

Also I was just curious about the US Patent at the top of your page. The idea of Archbishop etc is not new and was used previously in historical variants of chess. To what does the US Patent apply?

ps. will you ever consider adding different game times to Winboard... ie 1s per move or even fractions of seconds. With all the increased speeds of computers I am just wondering if this someday becomes interesting.

Thanks and best regards

Nick

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by Carlos777 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:24 am

Gothic Chess is a very entertaining chess variant.

My favorites:

1. Joker
2. TJChess
3. Smirf/TSCP

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Carlos

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by beachknight » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:33 am

ChessV is the strongest, I'd think. But dont know
the latest improvements on H G and M side.

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hi, merhaba, hallo HT

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by hgm » Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:52 am

Spacious_Mind wrote:Also I was just curious about the US Patent at the top of your page. The idea of Archbishop etc is not new and was used previously in historical variants of chess. To what does the US Patent apply?
The idea of playing on 10x8 with these two new compound pieces is indeed very old, nearly as old as what we now call 'orthodox Chess'. The first reference to it was by Pietro Carrera in 1617, who called the new pieces Centaur and Champion.

It was rediscovered several times, and each time a different initial position was used. The patent purely applies to the initial position. If that is enough to stand up in court is for the lawyers to decide; no one was interested to contest it.
ps. will you ever consider adding different game times to Winboard... ie 1s per move or even fractions of seconds. With all the increased speeds of computers I am just wondering if this someday becomes interesting.
WinBoard already supports fixed time per move (non-accumulating). In old WinBoard versions you could only specify this by a command-line option (-st or -searchTime), and maintaining the clocks was left up to he engine.

The development version (available as alpha version from my website) does fully implement this: it can be selected in the TC dialog, and the clocks are maintaned and displayed by WinBoard.

Sub-second resolution has already been possible for a long time, through specifying time odds. E.g. a time-odds factor of 60 would allow you to specify seconds where otherwise it would be interpreted as minutes.

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by Carlos777 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:06 pm

Hi H.G.,

What happened to TJChess? Did you remove it from the tournament?

Best,
Carlos

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by Carlos777 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:17 pm

Carlos777 wrote: What happened to TJChess? Did you remove it from the tournament?
I notice that TJ is playing again, but what I don't see in the results section are the games that it played yesterday, or is this another cycle? :?

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by hgm » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:50 pm

I had made a mistake in installing the new version of TJchess (0.121) that I downloaded, and as a result, the games played yesterday were played with an old version (0.109).

So I deleted all games, and will replay them. This came up in the other thread in the programmers section, and I explained it there. I also have obtained a newer SMIRF version, and I figured that if I was replaying games anyway, I might as well replay the SMIRF games with this new version too. I started doing that (because they were more games); after SMIRF is done, I will replay the remaining TJchess games. (The games SMIRF vs. TJchess have already been played.)

Sorry about the confusion; I should probably have posted this on the viewer web-page.

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by Carlos777 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:54 pm

hgm wrote: Sorry about the confusion; I should probably have posted this on the viewer web-page.
Don't worry. Thanks for this interesting tournament. About Smirf, is there any version available to download? I tried with some old links but they don't work.

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Re: Battle of the Goths 10x8 Championship 2009

Post by smrf » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:46 pm

Carlos777 wrote:... About Smirf, is there any version available to download? I tried with some old links but they don't work.
Since people have started to like cloned or patchworked chess engines there has not been any noticeable support of the SMIRF project. Thus I deleted my mostly bilingual web site (no English language chess page has followed this example).

Now there is a small German language only web site: http://www.10x8.net/, where some poems are to be found. Today SMIRF is completely private. The SMIRF project mostly is sleeping. The follow-up project Octopus is alive but is growing even more slowly - from the scratch - as SMIRF has been my first playing chess program and nearly no part of it seems to be good enough to survive.

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