bob wrote: Rolf wrote:
Robert Flesher wrote:
Flawed logic, just because no action is taken against a crime / illegal action does not justifty its occurence. Absurd!
Rolf, Vas in his interview openly states that Fruit had NO influence on Rybka ?!! This has now been PROVEN to be false. Lies ! What does this say ? Try to look at the issue from a non biased point of view. You rant and talk about hate, how about you talk about the truth and the facts. Many just want the truth, but you seek to hide it with flavourful subjectivity.
If I ranted with the trivial hint on top number one question of court cases then what is it what you are doing if that is all irrelevant for sure so to speak? Look, I am a lay and I couldnt decide on the technical question. Bob answered me that he wouldnt sue anyone, Fabien doesnt sue, so, I conclude that this whole question is gone for good. I mean we are in 2010 and the beta R1 was in 2005. Did you ever answer why perhaps Fab didnt sue Vas? Have you at least one idea?
Therefore I meant let's get back to the reality without old hate campaigns. For the best of the hobby and its community. Dont lose yourself in negative thoughts.
For many of us, "the search for truth" has nothing to do with "hate". _Truth_ is what most are interested in. There may be some that hate Vas. There are some that hate me. There is someone that hates nearly everyone, if you look hard enough. So what. The truth is the issue. We know the truth about fruit/rybka, we know more about the Rybka/ip* issue.
You need to look up the word "consistency". On one hand you say that since Fabien did nothing about the Rybka/Fruit issue, all is ok, but then Vas has done nothing about the Rybka/IP* case, and yet things are _not_ ok.
You have to either pick a consistent position to argue from, or else stop making these posts that make you look like an idiot.
Err, but you are not an idiot if you choose inconsistent positions? How? -- We two at least know well why. You dont sue Vas because you cant prove against him. But folks, Bob does neither call the GPL offices and urge them to take Vas to task. Why? Because Bob knows that there wont be a case.
But if there wont be a case then everything against Vas (R1beta) is pure envy and hatred.
1) envy because certain famous experts have no idea how to improve their own prog so that it plays as well as Rybka; HINT nobody knows how Vas has done the miracle, also not Bob - talking about adopting the ideas andf then use them in the tech of the own prog - Vas is the only one who knows all the tricks! IMO
2) hate for different but failing reasons. Because Vas created his own forum after he was practically outsorted for allegedly dominating the CCC topics with his Rybka topics. Secondly because Vas did not accept a sort of sub role towards Bob. Thirdly for mere propaganda reasons. Theron: If I had no ethics like Vas I would also have a Tiger that were as strong as Rybka. That is character defamation of its finest but total nonsense because also CT has never shown proof against Vas. Since the case has a legal aspect suddenly these two grand experts presented Zach W. a total newbie, certainly someone with no financial background, so that a case against him wouldnt be worth while.
My own position is pretty consistent because I agree with Vas that in case of Hippo anons it's not necessary to show one's evidence. As Vas wrote, in case someone would step forward, Vas would of course present his facts.
So, Bob, where is your problem? I can only repeat my call for all the opposing experts against Rybka, to tone down and looking forward into the future, there by doing the best for the community and computerchess as such.
It's absolutely contra-productive that a World Champion is molested and chased while he is always demonstrating that he is stronger than everybody else. The publication through RE codes does no harm to Vas but it destroys the usual CC contenders. Vas will always show that he's better, but they might lose interest in the scene.
It's telling for the bad ethical substance in CC that prior to Rybka nobody took the Champion prog and undertook it a RE and then published it in public - but now based on envy and hate certain older experts thought this were the best reaction also if it destroyed the usual CC comepetitions.
But Vas doesnt care. He goes for Clusters and online offers so that his genial codes are protected. But I digress.