Chess GUI

[Alexander Schmidt]

If one of the moderators comments on the offending post, would you think it is a safe assumption that he has seen it?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 6&start=32

Well "Nazi slogan" is not an insult. You will not succeed with legal action. But if you feel offended try to report the message and discuss it with the mods instead of acting like a primadonna.

It was NOT ME who made the remark that he though one had to set pretty low standards to think Arena is the best GUI, and I was not engaged in starting any flame war at all. In fact I corrected the guy.

I am sorry, this is one more example that you just seek for conflicts and try to provoke people. I corrected you once in this thread. I did not say Arena is the best GUI, I said it's the best of it's class.

[Alexander Schmidt]

Hello Roger,

for most germans Nazi is one of the ugliest insult. Germans who don't see this word as insult are probably racists.

People outside germany are maybe not really informed what happened and use this word brainless. Then I don't feel insulted but ask to stop useing this word.

Alex

[Roger Brown]

Hello Roger,

for most germans Nazi is one of the ugliest insult. Germans who don't see this word as insult are probably racists.

People outside germany are maybe not really informed what happened and use this word brainless. Then I don't feel insulted but ask to stop useing this word.

Alex

Hello Alexander,

That is one of my points above. H.G. gave me an illustration of the ugliness of the word. Once he did that and I realised the immediacy and impact of the word I deleted the very next attempt at a reference.

If I am to blamed for something let it be for not knowing everything at once (which I will never know), not for not responding once I know....

Later.

[tomgdrums]

Hello H.G.,

You have made a number of fascinating remarks in this thread about the moderators - which would be mostly me - since I have been the one on point in this issue.

I will not comment on them explicitly except to say this: In any future thread I am asking that you p.m. me - if you do not want to use the complaint button - when you are called a Nazi by Diosi or anyone.

You complain that the board is unmoderated.

Wow.

You set out the seriousness of what being called a Nazi means to a European and I immediately delete the next comment which is a step up from the (admittedly ineffective) warning I posted in that same thread.

The next time his ability to post will be affected, for a limited time to a longer period if he insists.

That gradual implementation might not suit you BUT isn't part of the European experience the expectation that someone can correct their ways, that ultimately the people can self-govern themselves if their wrong ways are pointed out to them? That is what I believe anyway.

Now if that view turns out to be flawed in this or any case then I will take faster action, have no doubt. The pace may not be yours but that is not the same as not caring at all. Perhaps you would have immediately moved to a more drastic action as a moderator,, that is your approach and maybe it has merit but it is not how I approach these matters.

I find the implications of that belief about the moderators (me) - that we do not care - more than somewhat disappointing.

I could not possibly know of the vileness of the Nazi references to you or any European but once you provided the enlightenment I was on it immediately.

I am guaranteeing that such comments will not be welcome here and they will not be tolerated.

I know that you have no fear of conflict but when you engage immediately before contacting me that in turn perpetuates the ugliness that you despise.

Later.

For what it is worth Roger, I think you guys do a very good job moderating. It can be a thankless job especially in a thread like this where moderating tends to morph into babysitting.

[Alexander Schmidt]

Hello Roger,

you and your collegues do an excellent job here. Thanks

Alex

[Roger Brown]

For what it is worth Roger, I think you guys do a very good job moderating. It can be a thankless job especially in a thread like this where moderating tends to morph into babysitting.

Hello Tom,

May I frame the part in bold red?



Thanks for your comments.

Later.

[Roger Brown]

Hello Roger,

you and your collegues do an excellent job here. Thanks

Alex

Hello Alexander,

Thanks!

Wow, four positive messages.

This will carry me through this term.



Later.

[hgm]

Who mentioned legal action??? Better to hang him from a tree. By his ears! (A sequoia...)

I am sorry, this is one more example that you just seek for conflicts and try to provoke people. I corrected you once in this thread. I did not say Arena is the best GUI, I said it's the best of it's class.

You have me confused now. I wrote

I would be quite happy to go back to a factual chess discussion about GUIs(for as long as Mr Diosi does not intrude with his vile libelous allegations), and have you explain me why you think Arena would be "unquestionably the best" when you make a side by side comparison with other free GUIs, such as XBoard.

assuming that 'free GUIs' was meant to be the 'class' you were referring to. Even if that would be a wrong assumption, how is that 'provoking people'? If I misunderstood you, you should have been more explicit. "In its class" can mean anything. It could be the only one in the class of crappy GUIs, and thus be "unquestionably the best" in that class. Big deal! Litterally quoting you, you said "userfriendly Freeware GUI with nice graphics for all kind of chess related issues". Well, any of the GUIs mentioned in this thread has "nice graphics" and is for Chess. So is it strange that I lifted out the "Freeware" part as the main distinguishing trait? Obviously you exclude commercials like Shredder and ChessBase. But I would think that XBoard, and perhaps SCID, also fit your class definition. So I think that any accusation of mis-representing your words totally out-of-place.

I am making a genuine attempt to bring us back to a productive discussion about computer Chess, and you only reply with accusations about 'provoking people'. So who of us is seeking conflict??? So far your chessic contribution to this thread has been disapointingly meager, the only thing you seem interested in is criticizing my posting behavior, which is the moderator's business, not yours. I, at least came here to provide a link and info requested in the leading post, before you started to distract from the topic. Talk Chess, or go away!

[Alexander Schmidt]

Assuming that you meant that to be the 'class' you were referring to.

My first commet was "Winboard, ChessGUI, Chessbase, Tarrasch... have a different target group. For what Arena is supposed to be, an userfriendly Freeware GUI with nice graphics for all kind of chess related issues, it is unquestionable the best GUI. "

I am sorry if this is unclear... In this Arena/Chessbase/Aquarium/Shredder class Arena is the best freeware GUI imho.

[Roger Brown]

Who mentioned legal action??? Better to hang him from a tree. By his ears! (A sequoia...)

I am making a genuine attempt to bring us back to a productive discussion about computer Chess, and you only reply with accusations about 'provoking people'. So who of us is seeking conflict??? So far your chessic contribution to this thread has been disapointingly meager, the only thing you seem interested in is criticizing my posting behavior, which is the moderator's business, not yours. I, at least came here to provide a link and info requested in the leading post, before you started to distract from the topic. Talk Chess, or go away!

Hello H.G.,

I would like to talk about Winboard.

Winboard is a gui for playing chess and other board games of perfect knowledge.

Where do you think its chess related applications should stop?

Chessbase for instance is a database handling program, Fritz the chess-playing program. On the freeware side there is Scid and Winboard.

Are your design considerations affected by existing applications already out there - you integrated a tournament function into Winboard despite the existence of more than adequate WBTM's for instance - or is it that you see Winboard as a one stop shop for chess related needs, whether database or chess-playing related?

Or is it what fascinates you as users make their wishes?

On a related note, I think what most persons regard as "geeky"about Winboard is the winboard ini and the installation of engines. There is a software to deal with the ini but perhaps the installation routine - which you have pondered previously - could be looked at.

Later.