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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by mwyoung » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:02 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:29 am
Leo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:35 pm
I think my dream machine will be the Ryzen 3000 series Threadripper with 16 cores
Reality will probably be cheaper, Ryzen 9 is bringing 16 cores for about $500 to market.
That is only a rumor.

Most market experts think a Ryzen 9 16 core would only be released. If AMD needed 16 cores on this platform to compete with Intel.

So 12 core might be the highest core count on the first launch. And 16 cores later, if Intel releases something better to answer the first launch of Ryzen 9.
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Ozymandias » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:11 pm

mwyoung wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:02 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:29 am
Leo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:35 pm
I think my dream machine will be the Ryzen 3000 series Threadripper with 16 cores
Reality will probably be cheaper, Ryzen 9 is bringing 16 cores for about $500 to market.
That is only a rumor.

Most market experts think a Ryzen 9 16 core would only be released. If AMD needed 16 cores on this platform to compete with Intel.

So 12 core might be the highest core count on the first launch. And 16 cores later, if Intel releases something better to answer the first launch of Ryzen 9.
Neither did AMD need to roll out 8 core CPUs when they introduced Ryzen, and yet they did. Now Intel has an i7 with 8 cores, whereas they had been artificially limiting their offerings under the i7 branding, for a whole decade, to 4 cores. In a few weeks we'll see if the rumour pans out.

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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by mwyoung » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:45 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:11 pm
mwyoung wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:02 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:29 am
Leo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:35 pm
I think my dream machine will be the Ryzen 3000 series Threadripper with 16 cores
Reality will probably be cheaper, Ryzen 9 is bringing 16 cores for about $500 to market.
That is only a rumor.

Most market experts think a Ryzen 9 16 core would only be released. If AMD needed 16 cores on this platform to compete with Intel.

So 12 core might be the highest core count on the first launch. And 16 cores later, if Intel releases something better to answer the first launch of Ryzen 9.
Neither did AMD need to roll out 8 core CPUs when they introduced Ryzen, and yet they did. Now Intel has an i7 with 8 cores, whereas they had been artificially limiting their offerings under the i7 branding, for a whole decade, to 4 cores. In a few weeks we'll see if the rumour pans out.
That is why AMD will still release the 12 core unit. And we have only seen confirmed sample of the 12 core cpu.

It will be nice if AMD would release a 16 core.

But it does make sense for AMD to show all their cards on the first release of Zen 2.

And keep the 16 core as their ace in the hole And to see how Intel can respond.
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:47 am

Finally, end of an era in cccc!
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And the pgns for finals!
https://cccfiles.chess.com/archive/tou ... -23913.pgn

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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by JJJ » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:30 pm

Next time no leela clone would be nice.

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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Ozymandias » Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:01 pm

mwyoung wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:45 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:11 pm
mwyoung wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:02 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:29 am
Leo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:35 pm
I think my dream machine will be the Ryzen 3000 series Threadripper with 16 cores
Reality will probably be cheaper, Ryzen 9 is bringing 16 cores for about $500 to market.
That is only a rumor.

Most market experts think a Ryzen 9 16 core would only be released. If AMD needed 16 cores on this platform to compete with Intel.

So 12 core might be the highest core count on the first launch. And 16 cores later, if Intel releases something better to answer the first launch of Ryzen 9.
Neither did AMD need to roll out 8 core CPUs when they introduced Ryzen, and yet they did. Now Intel has an i7 with 8 cores, whereas they had been artificially limiting their offerings under the i7 branding, for a whole decade, to 4 cores. In a few weeks we'll see if the rumour pans out.
That is why AMD will still release the 12 core unit. And we have only seen confirmed sample of the 12 core cpu.

It will be nice if AMD would release a 16 core.

But it does make sense for AMD to show all their cards on the first release of Zen 2.

And keep the 16 core as their ace in the hole And to see how Intel can respond.
They didn't hold that ace up their sleeve for long. It comes in September, although a little bit more expensive than rumoured: $749.

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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Laskos » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:05 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:01 pm
mwyoung wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:45 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:11 pm
mwyoung wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:02 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:29 am
Leo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:35 pm
I think my dream machine will be the Ryzen 3000 series Threadripper with 16 cores
Reality will probably be cheaper, Ryzen 9 is bringing 16 cores for about $500 to market.
That is only a rumor.

Most market experts think a Ryzen 9 16 core would only be released. If AMD needed 16 cores on this platform to compete with Intel.

So 12 core might be the highest core count on the first launch. And 16 cores later, if Intel releases something better to answer the first launch of Ryzen 9.
Neither did AMD need to roll out 8 core CPUs when they introduced Ryzen, and yet they did. Now Intel has an i7 with 8 cores, whereas they had been artificially limiting their offerings under the i7 branding, for a whole decade, to 4 cores. In a few weeks we'll see if the rumour pans out.
That is why AMD will still release the 12 core unit. And we have only seen confirmed sample of the 12 core cpu.

It will be nice if AMD would release a 16 core.

But it does make sense for AMD to show all their cards on the first release of Zen 2.

And keep the 16 core as their ace in the hole And to see how Intel can respond.
They didn't hold that ace up their sleeve for long. It comes in September, although a little bit more expensive than rumoured: $749.
Damn, in May the rumor had this:

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Ryzen 5 3600	8 / 16	-	3.6 / 4.4GHz	65W	$178
Ryzen 5 3600X	8 / 16	-	4.0 / 4.8GHz	95W	$229
Ryzen 7 3700	12 / 24	-	3.8 / 4.6GHz	95W	$299
Ryzen 7 3700X	12 / 24	-	4.2 / 5.0GHz	105W	$329
Ryzen 9 3800X	16 / 32	-	3.9 / 4.7GHz	125W	$449
Ryzen 9 3850X	16 / 32	-	4.3 / 5.1GHz	135W	$499
and I was thinking of a cheapo Ryzen 5 3600X in July or more expensive, but still cheap Ryzen 9 3850X in September. Those were pretty damn good specs and prices.

But now the announcement reads:

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AMD Ryzen 9 3950X – 16-cores, 32-threads | 4.7GHz boost, 3.5GHz base | 105W | $749
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X – 12-cores, 24-threads | 4.6GHz boost, 3.8GHz base | 105W | $499
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X – 8-cores,  16-threads | 4.5GHz boost, 3.9GHz base | 105W | $399
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X – 8-cores,  16-threads | 4.4GHz boost, 3.6GHz base | 65W  | $329
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X – 6-cores,  12-threads | 4.4GHz boost, 3.8GHz base | 95W  | $249
AMD Ryzen 5 3600  – 6-cores,  12-threads | 4.2GHz boost, 3.6GHz base | 65W  | $199
And I don't see a large progress compared to previous generations, aside IPC, which increases by a substantial 15% (according to them). The per core performance will be as high as the best Intel can offer, if their data is correct, making the processors very competitive in the game market, and I think that was the main goal of the new generation.

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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Ozymandias » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:34 am

Laskos wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:05 pm
I don't see a large progress compared to previous generations, aside IPC, which increases by a substantial 15% (according to them). The per core performance will be as high as the best Intel can offer, if their data is correct, making the processors very competitive in the game market, and I think that was the main goal of the new generation.
One point of interest, chess wise, will be to see if they fixed the BMI2 problem. That could offer a few percentiles more.

If the processors turn out to be competitive in the game scene, we may see a revisitation of the Athlon 64 days and Intel will have to budge. A price war may ensue and we'll get something closer to the rumoured prices. For the moment, they're still great by comparison, but I'd rather wait.

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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by mwyoung » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:06 pm

Ozymandias wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:01 pm
mwyoung wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:45 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:11 pm
mwyoung wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:02 pm
Ozymandias wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:29 am
Leo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:35 pm
I think my dream machine will be the Ryzen 3000 series Threadripper with 16 cores
Reality will probably be cheaper, Ryzen 9 is bringing 16 cores for about $500 to market.
That is only a rumor.

Most market experts think a Ryzen 9 16 core would only be released. If AMD needed 16 cores on this platform to compete with Intel.

So 12 core might be the highest core count on the first launch. And 16 cores later, if Intel releases something better to answer the first launch of Ryzen 9.
Neither did AMD need to roll out 8 core CPUs when they introduced Ryzen, and yet they did. Now Intel has an i7 with 8 cores, whereas they had been artificially limiting their offerings under the i7 branding, for a whole decade, to 4 cores. In a few weeks we'll see if the rumour pans out.
That is why AMD will still release the 12 core unit. And we have only seen confirmed sample of the 12 core cpu.

It will be nice if AMD would release a 16 core.

But it does make sense for AMD to show all their cards on the first release of Zen 2.

And keep the 16 core as their ace in the hole And to see how Intel can respond.
They didn't hold that ace up their sleeve for long. It comes in September, although a little bit more expensive than rumoured: $749.
That is good for us. And bad for Intel.

I was hoping for a cheaper price. This is about the price I paid for the 2950x.

So I guess the new threadrippers will be going up in price. My motherboard will support the new threadrippers with a bios update. But I will have to wait till the end of the year from what I have seen.

Stockfish is itching to be played on 32 cores.
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Re: The Last Survivor of AB engine, Stockfish! What position will Stockfish stand?

Post by Ozymandias » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:32 am

mwyoung wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:06 pm
I was hoping for a cheaper price.
Me too, I wonder if they'll also raise the price of their flagship CPU: AMD Is Working On A Monster 64-Core Threadripper

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