The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 2019

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Nay Lin Tun
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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Nay Lin Tun » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:32 am

EroSennin wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:36 am
Ovyron wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:00 am
You can see the engine having to move instantly or within a second to keep up with the clock. Without lag every engine move could have been played with 1 second more. Father wouldn't have been able to draw that game if it was in person (not over the internet) or with increment. And if he could, why doesn't he just go and play an increment game and prove it?

(still looks to me that it's a game drawing lag)
Still, if Carlsen was in his place, he would lose all his games
Depends on the sponsorer.

If WCCC sponsorer give money to the player who get best result against Computers, those top 10 Fide players will play more games against computers and these top guys will again get best results among human.

The unrated amatuer is no match againt Carlsen.

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Uri Blass » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:46 am

Nay Lin Tun wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:32 am
EroSennin wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:36 am
Ovyron wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:00 am
You can see the engine having to move instantly or within a second to keep up with the clock. Without lag every engine move could have been played with 1 second more. Father wouldn't have been able to draw that game if it was in person (not over the internet) or with increment. And if he could, why doesn't he just go and play an increment game and prove it?

(still looks to me that it's a game drawing lag)
Still, if Carlsen was in his place, he would lose all his games
Depends on the sponsorer.

If WCCC sponsorer give money to the player who get best result against Computers, those top 10 Fide players will play more games against computers and these top guys will again get best results among human.

The unrated amatuer is no match againt Carlsen.
I totally agree that the unrated amatuer is no match against carlsen.
I am not sure that the best players against humans will also be the best players against computers but I will be surprised if a player with rating lower than fide rating 2500 is going to be the best against computers assuming that there will be a lot of money to earn by being the best against computers.

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Uri Blass » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:52 am

Ovyron wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:00 am
You can see the engine having to move instantly or within a second to keep up with the clock. Without lag every engine move could have been played with 1 second more. Father wouldn't have been able to draw that game if it was in person (not over the internet) or with increment. And if he could, why doesn't he just go and play an increment game and prove it?

(still looks to me that it's a game drawing lag)
last game the opponent had 55 cores.
Even if the opponent used less than 1 second per move I believe that it is at least equivalent to more than 1 second per move with slower hardware.

Edit:I can add that I see in the pgn of the drawn game 4 seconds for move 71 of white and I think that even at that point the computer cannot win regardless of time control inspite of more than +3 score.

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Ovyron » Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:08 pm

This lag abuse isn't about the time that the engine gets, but about abusing lag. I believe that Father wouldn't be able to do it in 1 minute +1 second increment time control even if on a normal game the level would be lower than 5 0.

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Father » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:26 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:08 pm
This lag abuse isn't about the time that the engine gets, but about abusing lag. I believe that Father wouldn't be able to do it in 1 minute +1 second increment time control even if on a normal game the level would be lower than 5 0.
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Topic: 1m+2s Man versus machine at 173.110.000 speed. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo versus super engine running at 173.110KN/s draw.
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1m+2s Man versus machine at 173.110.000 speed. Pablo Ignacio Restrepo versus super engine running at 173.110KN/s draw.
Again I wish to thank the super chess computer operator for allowing me to play chess in my capacity as a human being against such a portentous supercomputer engineering. I would never have the opportunity to test and measure the pulse and strength as chess player playing against such a quality che...
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by tmokonen » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:09 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:20 am
I still don't see increment and I'm still not impressed.
I still don't see any wins or draws against lc0. Shuffling doesn't seem to work so well against NN engines on good hardware.

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Father » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:06 pm

tmokonen wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:09 pm
Ovyron wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:20 am
I still don't see increment and I'm still not impressed.
I still don't see any wins or draws against lc0. Shuffling doesn't seem to work so well against NN engines on good hardware.

[/Excellent your score.

Soon, with God's help, I will get Fat-Fritz. I am waiting for the CD to be on sale in chess. For me it is a chess program that I love and a true legendary rival; It reminds me of a black panther stalker, who was one of the first chess programs that put me in real difficulty against the ropes and that began to engulf me between his jaws.

Until today I have not had a real consistent and constant opportunity for preparation and study from LCZero, and this kind of computer chess programming.

I will try to learn from Fat Fritz since Alphazero did not want to accept the appointment that I proposed more than a year ago through which I invited the software to dance during a long and fun night.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Father » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:10 pm

tmokonen wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:09 pm
Ovyron wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:20 am
I still don't see increment and I'm still not impressed.
I still don't see any wins or draws against lc0. Shuffling doesn't seem to work so well against NN engines on good hardware.
Excellent your score. Soon, with God's help, I will get Fat-Fritz. I am waiting for the CD to be on sale in chess. For me it is a chess program that I love and a true legendary rival; It reminds me of a black panther stalker, who was one of the first chess programs that put me in real difficulty against the ropes and that began to engulf me between his jaws. Until today I have not had a real consistent and constant opportunity for preparation and study from LCZero, and this kind of computer chess programming. I will try to learn from Fat Fritz since Alphazero did not want to accept the appointment that I proposed more than a year ago through which I invited it to dance during a long and fun night.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Ovyron » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:54 pm

Father wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:43 am

Again I wish to thank the super chess computer operator for allowing me to play chess in my capacity as a human being against such a portentous supercomputer engineering.


I would never have the opportunity to test and measure the pulse and strength as chess player playing against such a quality chess machine.

Since childhood my parents taught me to be grateful. And that is what I wish to express at this moment: "Thank you with all my heart for allowing me to fight against such a wonderful machine with the Chinese flag."


I am aware that I lack every chess title and that my only color and heart is to fight to learn to fight against the machines in the rest of my life.

This example of a man versus machine chess game has two special features: 1o It was played at minute and; 2o with increase time per play of two seconds.

All those who demerit and falsify my achievements against computers without scientific foundation, it is time for them to keep silent.

Facts and events are the best and main spiritual and material tests that life and exitence can provide.

Best regards,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and grand-father playchess user

Ping Grand-Father = 1.0s Rated (Classic) 1m+2s No. of players receiving your offer: 4 Rated (Classic) 1m+2s No. of players receiving your offer: 4 Rated (Classic) 1m+2s Grand-Father - Noobpwnftw ½-1½ New Elo: 2000 (+16), Classic. BookFish (8 cores): 41.8 plies; 173.110kN/s Intel(R) Xeon(R) Silver 4116 CPU @ 2.10GHz 2095MHz.

Ah, this one wasn't beating just the lag or GUI bugs, so I'm impressed. Good job Father :)

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Re: The day when imagination and will was stronger than artificial intelligence. Man against chess machine. November 201

Post by Father » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:50 pm

Ovyron wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:54 pm
Father wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:43 am

Again I wish to thank the super chess computer operator for allowing me to play chess in my capacity as a human being against such a portentous supercomputer engineering.


I would never have the opportunity to test and measure the pulse and strength as chess player playing against such a quality chess machine.

Since childhood my parents taught me to be grateful. And that is what I wish to express at this moment: "Thank you with all my heart for allowing me to fight against such a wonderful machine with the Chinese flag."


I am aware that I lack every chess title and that my only color and heart is to fight to learn to fight against the machines in the rest of my life.

This example of a man versus machine chess game has two special features: 1o It was played at minute and; 2o with increase time per play of two seconds.

All those who demerit and falsify my achievements against computers without scientific foundation, it is time for them to keep silent.

Facts and events are the best and main spiritual and material tests that life and exitence can provide.

Best regards,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father and grand-father playchess user

Ping Grand-Father = 1.0s Rated (Classic) 1m+2s No. of players receiving your offer: 4 Rated (Classic) 1m+2s No. of players receiving your offer: 4 Rated (Classic) 1m+2s Grand-Father - Noobpwnftw ½-1½ New Elo: 2000 (+16), Classic. BookFish (8 cores): 41.8 plies; 173.110kN/s Intel(R) Xeon(R) Silver 4116 CPU @ 2.10GHz 2095MHz.

Ah, this one wasn't beating just the lag or GUI bugs, so I'm impressed. Good job Father :)
... I have won and draw to chess programs all the time for about 40 years without interruption; The first 10 years 1986-1993, it was fundamentally through tactical sacrifices, then since 1993, anti-chess began...by internet, at my scream versus computer, on my desk on a table board playing computers, etc ... Lag it is not a factor with relievance or importante ...
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.

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