Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

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MikeGL
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Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by MikeGL » Sat May 23, 2020 9:20 am

Not sure why SF thought it was winning with a very huge plus score starting at move 44 of black.
Endgame position was a fortress, both engines A/B and NN didn't predict the result of the game accurately.
Beautiful and instructive fortress up to final position of the game.




Below PGN is also the above game without PGN tags.
Notice the scores starting at move 44


[Event "NN longtime-testing"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.01.08"]
[Round "120"]
[White "Lc0 0.23.1 384x30-t40-1705"]
[Black "Stockfish 191210 bmi2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A00"]
[PlyCount "576"]
[EventDate "2020.??.??"]
[TimeControl "480+5"]

1. Na3 {book} Nh6 {book} 2. Rb1 {book} Rg8 {book} 3. Ra1 {book} Rh8 {book} 4.
Nb1 {book} Ng8 {book} 5. b3 {book} Nf6 {book} 6. Bb2 {book} g6 {book} 7. Bxf6 {
book} exf6 {book} 8. c4 {book} Bg7 {book} 9. Nc3 {[%eval 43,8] 8.5s} d6 {
[%eval 0,29] [%emt 0:00:41]} 10. g3 {[%eval 50,8] [%emt 0:00:16]} c5 {[%eval
-32,27] [%emt 0:00:16]} 11. Bg2 {[%eval 80,9] [%emt 0:00:18]} Nc6 {[%eval -32,
28] 7.7s} 12. Rc1 {[%eval 77,9] [%emt 0:00:18]} h5 {[%eval -19,27] 9.3s} 13.
Nf3 {[%eval 76,9] 7.3s} Bg4 {[%eval -21,28] 7.6s} 14. h3 {[%eval 87,10] [%emt
0:00:13]} Bxf3 {[%eval -18,28] 8.2s} 15. Bxf3 {[%eval 88,10] [%emt 0:00:10]} f5
{[%eval -27,28] [%emt 0:00:11]} 16. Nd5 {[%eval 92,9] [%emt 0:00:13]} Kf8 {
[%eval -22,27] [%emt 0:00:14]} 17. e3 {[%eval 95,9] [%emt 0:00:34]} Qa5 {
[%eval -49,31] 76s} 18. Qc2 {[%eval 111,8] [%emt 0:00:10]} Rb8 {[%eval -53,28]
[%emt 0:00:26]} 19. Ke2 {[%eval 111,9] [%emt 0:00:22]} Qa3 {[%eval -59,29] 65s}
20. Bg2 {[%eval 127,8] [%emt 0:00:11]} Re8 {[%eval -44,26] [%emt 0:00:15]} 21.
Qb1 {[%eval 132,8] [%emt 0:00:10]} a6 {[%eval -34,26] [%emt 0:00:19]} 22. f4 {
[%eval 147,8] [%emt 0:00:14]} Qa5 {[%eval -57,27] [%emt 0:00:23]} 23. a4 {
[%eval 156,9] [%emt 0:00:14]} Kg8 {[%eval -61,30] [%emt 0:00:17]} 24. Qd3 {
[%eval 159,9] [%emt 0:00:20]} Qd8 {[%eval -61,30] 4.4s} 25. Bf3 {[%eval 160,9]
[%emt 0:00:19]} Qd7 {[%eval -64,29] [%emt 0:00:11]} 26. Rb1 {[%eval 163,9]
[%emt 0:00:15]} a5 {[%eval -56,31] 7.1s} 27. Rh2 {[%eval 164,8] [%emt 0:00:15]}
Kf8 {[%eval -60,28] [%emt 0:00:15]} 28. Rg2 {[%eval 168,8] [%emt 0:00:18]} Nb4
{[%eval -58,32] 3.7s} 29. Nxb4 {[%eval 217,9] [%emt 0:00:11]} axb4 {[%eval -56,
36] 5.7s} 30. Qd5 {[%eval 211,8] [%emt 0:00:27]} b6 {[%eval -56,36] [%emt 0:00:
14]} 31. Kd3 {[%eval 220,7] [%emt 0:00:14]} Bf6 {[%eval -56,39] 6.3s} 32. Rbg1
{[%eval 207,7] [%emt 0:00:21]} Rb8 {[%eval -56,37] 5.4s} 33. Rd1 {[%eval 218,7]
[%emt 0:00:16]} Qe6 {[%eval -56,39] 5.4s} 34. Qc6 {[%eval 210,8] 6.5s} Kg7 {
[%eval -56,41] 6.2s} 35. Ke2 {[%eval 194,10] [%emt 0:00:16]} Rhc8 {[%eval -56,
37] 5.6s} 36. Qb5 {[%eval 170,10] [%emt 0:00:14]} Rh8 {[%eval -56,36] 6.4s} 37.
Bd5 {[%eval 200,9] [%emt 0:00:24]} Qe7 {[%eval -56,34] 6.6s} 38. Rf2 {[%eval
218,7] [%emt 0:00:14]} Rhc8 {[%eval -56,37] [%emt 0:00:12]} 39. Bf3 {[%eval
188,8] [%emt 0:00:14]} Qc7 {[%eval -56,29] 4.5s} 40. g4 {[%eval 126,9] [%emt 0:
00:14]} Ra8 {[%eval 113,32] 8.5s} 41. g5 {[%eval -16,12] [%emt 0:00:17]} Ra5 {
[%eval 83,34] [%emt 0:00:16]} 42. gxf6+ {[%eval -29,11] 6.7s} Kxf6 {[%eval 83,
36] 5.7s} 43. Qxa5 {[%eval -31,10] 7.5s} bxa5 {[%eval 373,40] 5.1s} 44. Bd5 {
[%eval -37,9] [%emt 0:00:18]} h4 {[%eval 389,44] 5.6s} 45. Kd3 {[%eval -43,8]
[%emt 0:00:14]} Re8 {[%eval 389,45] 5.9s} 46. Rg1 {[%eval -59,8] [%emt 0:00:24]
} Kg7 {[%eval 389,46] 5.7s} 47. Kc2 {[%eval -55,7] [%emt 0:00:14]} Re7 {[%eval
389,46] 5.6s} 48. Kb2 {[%eval -51,7] [%emt 0:00:12]} Qc8 {[%eval 389,46] 5.7s}
49. Kc2 {[%eval -69,7] [%emt 0:00:10]} Qd8 {[%eval 389,48] [%emt 0:00:12]} 50.
Kd3 {[%eval -64,7] [%emt 0:00:13]} Qd7 {[%eval 389,49] 5.9s} 51. Rgf1 {[%eval
-59,7] [%emt 0:00:11]} Qc7 {[%eval 389,47] 5.5s} 52. Rg1 {[%eval -60,7] 9.7s}
Qd8 {[%eval 389,48] [%emt 0:00:13]} 53. Kc2 {[%eval -57,7] 9.7s} Rd7 {[%eval
389,48] 5.1s} 54. Rc1 {[%eval -27,6] 9.6s} Rc7 {[%eval 389,48] 10.0s} 55. Rcf1
{[%eval -26,6] 8.8s} Re7 {[%eval 389,50] 5.9s} 56. Kb1 {[%eval -61,7] 8.3s} Re8
{[%eval 389,49] 7.9s} 57. Rg2 {[%eval -43,6] 6.2s} Qc7 {[%eval 389,49] [%emt 0:
00:16]} 58. Kb2 {[%eval -29,6] 9.2s} Rf8 {[%eval 389,47] 7.2s} 59. Rgf2 {
[%eval -38,6] 7.7s} Rb8 {[%eval 389,49] 5.5s} 60. Kc2 {[%eval -34,6] 6.7s} Qd7
{[%eval 389,49] 9.6s} 61. Rg2 {[%eval -30,6] 5.5s} Rf8 {[%eval 389,49] 8.8s}
62. Rg5 {[%eval -25,6] 7.4s} Rg8 {[%eval 389,49] 6.6s} 63. Kb2 {[%eval -20,6]
7.3s} Rc8 {[%eval 389,49] 4.5s} 64. Kb1 {[%eval -15,6] 6.2s} Qc7 {[%eval 389,
45] 4.5s} 65. Rfg1 {[%eval -16,6] 5.1s} Kf6 {[%eval 389,41] 5.7s} 66. Kc2 {
[%eval -7,6] 6.6s} Qd7 {[%eval 389,45] 4.5s} 67. Kb2 {[%eval -7,6] 5.7s} Kg7 {
[%eval 389,44] 5.6s} 68. Kb1 {[%eval -13,6] 5.7s} Rh8 {[%eval 389,48] 7.4s} 69.
Kb2 {[%eval -15,6] 5.7s} Re8 {[%eval 389,46] 5.6s} 70. Kc2 {[%eval -24,6] 5.3s}
Kf6 {[%eval 389,45] 4.3s} 71. Kd1 {[%eval -30,6] 5.0s} Kg7 {[%eval 389,43] 4.5s
} 72. Kc2 {[%eval -18,6] 4.6s} Kh6 {[%eval 389,47] 5.5s} 73. Kd3 {[%eval -28,7]
6.6s} Re7 {[%eval 389,44] 6.6s} 74. Kc2 {[%eval -38,7] 5.3s} Re8 {[%eval 389,
47] 4.0s} 75. R5g2 {[%eval -19,7] 4.9s} Qe7 {[%eval 389,42] [%emt 0:00:11]} 76.
Kb1 {[%eval -14,6] 5.9s} Kg7 {[%eval 389,42] 4.5s} 77. Kc2 {[%eval -18,6] 4.3s}
Kf8 {[%eval 389,43] 5.8s} 78. Kb1 {[%eval -19,7] 5.5s} Qd7 {[%eval 376,41]
[%emt 0:00:46]} 79. Rh2 {[%eval -22,6] 5.4s} Re7 {[%eval 363,36] 4.3s} 80. Kc2
{[%eval -39,6] 4.7s} Kg7 {[%eval 363,35] 9.2s} 81. Rhg2 {[%eval -35,7] 4.4s}
Qc8 {[%eval 351,33] 4.0s} 82. Rg5 {[%eval -23,6] 5.4s} Re8 {[%eval 351,38] 9.1s
} 83. Kb1 {[%eval -10,6] 6.0s} Kf8 {[%eval 363,31] 3.0s} 84. Ka2 {[%eval -16,6]
5.1s} Qd7 {[%eval 351,36] 4.6s} 85. Kb2 {[%eval -24,7] 5.0s} Rc8 {[%eval 351,
36] 6.3s} 86. Kb1 {[%eval -1,6] 5.3s} Kg7 {[%eval 351,37] 2.0s} 87. Kc1 {
[%eval 1,6] 4.8s} Rf8 {[%eval 351,36] 6.1s} 88. Kb2 {[%eval -1,6] 5.2s} Rg8 {
[%eval 351,34] 2.0s} 89. Rh5 {[%eval -7,6] 4.8s} Rh8 {[%eval 351,37] 6.5s} 90.
Rhg5 {[%eval -11,7] 2.3s} Kh7 {[%eval 351,39] 3.6s} 91. Kc2 {[%eval -1,6] 7.7s}
Rg8 {[%eval 351,36] 3.5s} 92. R5g2 {[%eval -21,7] 5.4s} Rg7 {[%eval 351,40] 3.
4s} 93. Rf1 {[%eval -19,7] 2.3s} f6 {[%eval 351,40] 4.1s} 94. Rgf2 {[%eval -20,
9] 3.1s} Qe7 {[%eval 351,43] [%emt 0:00:14]} 95. Kd3 {[%eval -9,8] 8.1s} Qd8 {
[%eval 351,41] 3.3s} 96. Rf3 {[%eval -5,8] 6.3s} Re7 {[%eval 351,44] 3.5s} 97.
Rg1 {[%eval 6,7] 5.1s} Qd7 {[%eval 351,42] 3.4s} 98. Rgf1 {[%eval 2,7] 3.0s}
Kh6 {[%eval 351,43] 3.9s} 99. R3f2 {[%eval 0,7] 5.0s} Rg7 {[%eval 351,43] 5.6s}
100. Kc2 {[%eval -1,9] 5.9s} Re7 {[%eval 351,41] 3.2s} 101. Kd3 {[%eval 1,7] 3.
7s} Qc8 {[%eval 351,42] 4.1s} 102. Ke2 {[%eval 6,7] 5.9s} Kh7 {[%eval 351,44]
3.1s} 103. Rf3 {[%eval 10,8] 6.7s} Qd8 {[%eval 351,45] 3.5s} 104. Rg1 {[%eval
10,7] 5.0s} Kg7 {[%eval 351,42] 4.1s} 105. Rf2 {[%eval 12,7] 5.0s} Qe8 {[%eval
351,45] 4.3s} 106. Rgg2 {[%eval 5,7] 4.4s} Qd7 {[%eval 351,43] 3.7s} 107. Rf1 {
[%eval 3,8] 5.4s} Qe8 {[%eval 351,43] 3.9s} 108. Rgf2 {[%eval 0,7] 4.7s} Rc7 {
[%eval 351,43] 3.8s} 109. Rg1 {[%eval 5,7] 5.4s} Kh7 {[%eval 351,45] 4.4s} 110.
Kd3 {[%eval -18,9] 4.7s} Kh6 {[%eval 351,43] 3.2s} 111. Rgf1 {[%eval -1,7] 4.8s
} Qc8 {[%eval 351,44] 3.9s} 112. Rf3 {[%eval 9,7] 4.2s} Re7 {[%eval 351,42] 4.
0s} 113. Ke2 {[%eval -2,8] 6.1s} Kg7 {[%eval 351,46] 7.9s} 114. R3f2 {[%eval
-1,7] 4.5s} Qd8 {[%eval 351,42] 3.3s} 115. Rg1 {[%eval -1,7] 5.6s} Qe8 {[%eval
351,45] 4.3s} 116. Rgf1 {[%eval -9,8] 4.5s} Qd7 {[%eval 351,41] 4.2s} 117. Kd1
{[%eval -5,7] 5.3s} Kh6 {[%eval 351,41] 3.6s} 118. Ke2 {[%eval -14,7] 4.2s} Rg7
{[%eval 351,42] 3.4s} 119. Kd3 {[%eval -18,8] 5.3s} Qd8 {[%eval 351,42] 4.1s}
120. Rf3 {[%eval -12,7] 4.9s} Qe7 {[%eval 351,44] 3.4s} 121. R3f2 {[%eval -11,
7] 4.9s} Kh7 {[%eval 351,44] 5.4s} 122. Rf3 {[%eval -13,8] 4.7s} Qc7 {[%eval
351,46] 4.9s} 123. R3f2 {[%eval -10,7] 5.2s} Qe7 {[%eval 351,45] 4.6s} 124. Rf3
{[%eval -21,8] 4.6s} Qd8 {[%eval 351,42] 3.9s} 125. R3f2 {[%eval -17,7] 5.1s}
Rc7 {[%eval 351,45] 10.0s} 126. Rf3 {[%eval -1,6] 6.1s} Re7 {[%eval 351,44] 5.
5s} 127. R3f2 {[%eval -13,7] 4.3s} Kg7 {[%eval 351,45] 3.9s} 128. Rf3 {[%eval
-13,7] 5.6s} Qc8 {[%eval 351,44] 5.8s} 129. R3f2 {[%eval -15,7] 4.5s} Kh6 {
[%eval 338,40] [%emt 0:00:11]} 130. Rf3 {[%eval -17,7] 4.2s} Qh8 {[%eval 351,
38] 3.9s} 131. R3f2 {[%eval -15,7] 5.2s} Qd8 {[%eval 338,40] 6.2s} 132. Rf3 {
[%eval -16,7] 5.2s} Rc7 {[%eval 338,42] 4.8s} 133. R3f2 {[%eval -10,7] 6.1s}
Rg7 {[%eval 338,41] 3.5s} 134. Rf3 {[%eval -17,7] 4.0s} Re7 {[%eval 350,33] 4.
7s} 135. R3f2 {[%eval -16,7] 4.9s} Kh7 {[%eval 338,40] 5.9s} 136. Rf3 {[%eval
-15,7] 4.7s} Qc8 {[%eval 338,39] 8.3s} 137. R3f2 {[%eval -17,7] 5.7s} Qd7 {
[%eval 338,38] 5.8s} 138. Rf3 {[%eval -19,7] 3.1s} Re8 {[%eval 338,38] 4.1s}
139. R3f2 {[%eval -8,6] 5.8s} Kh6 {[%eval 338,39] [%emt 0:00:11]} 140. Ke2 {
[%eval -6,6] 5.9s} Rf8 {[%eval 338,35] 2.3s} 141. Rh1 {[%eval -12,6] 4.6s} g5 {
[%eval 338,34] 4.9s} 142. Kf1 {[%eval -37,7] 5.2s} Rh8 {[%eval 338,34] 3.2s}
143. Ke2 {[%eval -48,7] 6.0s} Kg7 {[%eval 350,27] 4.9s} 144. Rg2 {[%eval -50,7]
4.5s} g4 {[%eval 399,37] 7.1s} 145. Ke1 {[%eval -43,7] 3.2s} Kf8 {[%eval 399,
35] 8.6s} 146. Rgh2 {[%eval -58,7] 7.3s} g3 {[%eval 399,43] 7.5s} 147. Re2 {
[%eval -44,8] 2.8s} Rh7 {[%eval 399,41] 4.5s} 148. Rf1 {[%eval -51,8] 5.6s} Re7
{[%eval 399,44] 3.6s} 149. Rf3 {[%eval -47,10] 2.7s} Qe8 {[%eval 399,44] 3.0s}
150. Kf1 {[%eval -44,10] 3.0s} Re4 {[%eval 400,45] 3.5s} 151. d3 {[%eval -50,
12] 2.4s} Qh5 {[%eval 400,46] 3.6s} 152. Kg2 {[%eval -36,9] 6.0s} Re7 {[%eval
400,49] 3.6s} 153. Kf1 {[%eval -49,8] [%emt 0:00:12]} Ke8 {[%eval 400,48] 3.9s}
154. Kg1 {[%eval -5,7] 5.0s} Rc7 {[%eval 400,46] 3.8s} 155. Kf1 {[%eval -11,7]
5.2s} Kf8 {[%eval 400,47] 4.2s} 156. Kg2 {[%eval -21,7] 4.4s} Kg7 {[%eval 400,
48] 3.9s} 157. Kh1 {[%eval 19,7] 5.4s} Qe8 {[%eval 400,47] 4.3s} 158. Kg1 {
[%eval 8,8] 4.5s} Re7 {[%eval 400,49] 4.5s} 159. Kh1 {[%eval 7,8] 5.5s} Kf8 {
[%eval 400,45] 3.6s} 160. Kg1 {[%eval -10,8] 3.4s} Rg7 {[%eval 400,46] 3.8s}
161. Kg2 {[%eval -31,8] 5.7s} Qc8 {[%eval 400,50] 6.3s} 162. Rf1 {[%eval -40,7]
5.5s} Qd7 {[%eval 400,45] 4.5s} 163. Rf3 {[%eval -53,7] 4.6s} Re7 {[%eval 400,
50] 3.3s} 164. Kf1 {[%eval -23,8] 5.7s} Ke8 {[%eval 400,50] 5.9s} 165. Rg2 {
[%eval -15,7] 4.5s} Rg7 {[%eval 400,49] 4.4s} 166. Ke2 {[%eval -9,7] 2.4s} Qc8
{[%eval 400,48] 3.4s} 167. Kd2 {[%eval 4,7] 5.0s} Kd7 {[%eval 400,43] 3.5s}
168. Ke2 {[%eval 11,7] 5.2s} Re7 {[%eval 400,48] 3.6s} 169. Kd1 {[%eval 51,7]
7.4s} Kc7 {[%eval 400,44] 3.6s} 170. Kd2 {[%eval 89,7] 4.8s} Kd7 {[%eval 400,
43] 3.7s} 171. Ke1 {[%eval 47,8] 5.5s} Rg7 {[%eval 400,44] 3.9s} 172. Ke2 {
[%eval 21,8] 5.0s} Qe8 {[%eval 400,46] 3.5s} 173. Ke1 {[%eval 44,7] 4.6s} Qd8 {
[%eval 400,46] 4.2s} 174. Ke2 {[%eval 37,7] 4.2s} Re7 {[%eval 400,48] 4.1s}
175. Rg1 {[%eval 73,7] 6.4s} Ke8 {[%eval 400,49] 4.2s} 176. Rg2 {[%eval 41,7]
4.2s} Qc7 {[%eval 400,47] 4.1s} 177. Kd2 {[%eval 44,7] 3.8s} Kf8 {[%eval 400,
43] 4.0s} 178. Ke2 {[%eval 45,7] 5.6s} Kg7 {[%eval 400,47] 3.8s} 179. Kd2 {
[%eval 69,8] 5.6s} Re8 {[%eval 400,41] 4.6s} 180. Kc1 {[%eval 103,7] 5.7s} Kg6
{[%eval 400,43] 4.7s} 181. Kc2 {[%eval 131,7] 5.1s} Re7 {[%eval 400,42] 4.2s}
182. Kd1 {[%eval 112,7] 4.6s} Qd7 {[%eval 400,43] 6.7s} 183. Kd2 {[%eval 97,7]
4.5s} Qc7 {[%eval 400,40] 4.0s} 184. Kc2 {[%eval 108,7] 5.5s} Qc8 {[%eval 400,
38] 7.9s} 185. Kd1 {[%eval 86,8] 4.6s} Qe8 {[%eval 400,33] 4.9s} 186. Ke2 {
[%eval 42,13] 3.4s} Kh5 {[%eval 387,34] [%emt 0:00:34]} 187. Rg1 {[%eval 35,10]
4.4s} Kg6 {[%eval 245,37] [%emt 0:00:27]} 188. Rg2 {[%eval 37,8] 6.8s} Kg7 {
[%eval 231,34] 7.3s} 189. Rg1 {[%eval 32,10] 5.1s} Qd7 {[%eval 231,30] 2.3s}
190. Kd2 {[%eval 64,7] 4.7s} Qe8 {[%eval 197,36] 8.9s} 191. Rd1 {[%eval 32,9]
6.2s} Kh7 {[%eval 136,33] [%emt 0:00:13]} 192. Rc1 {[%eval 32,7] 4.8s} Kh6 {
[%eval 114,33] 6.5s} 193. Rcf1 {[%eval 30,7] 5.1s} Kg7 {[%eval 134,32] 6.7s}
194. Rd1 {[%eval 32,8] 3.9s} Kf8 {[%eval 126,32] 5.0s} 195. Ke2 {[%eval 39,7]
5.8s} Re4 {[%eval 131,30] 5.0s} 196. Kd2 {[%eval 34,8] 2.7s} Re6 {[%eval 49,31]
3.5s} 197. Rdf1 {[%eval 16,8] 5.0s} Re4 {[%eval 37,35] 3.5s} 198. Rd1 {[%eval
5,7] 4.3s} Re7 {[%eval 0,38] 7.8s} 199. Ke2 {[%eval 4,6] 7.0s} g2 {[%eval 0,39]
1.7s} 200. Rg1 {[%eval 37,9] 3.4s} Rg7 {[%eval 0,44] 2.1s} 201. Kd2 {[%eval 59,
9] 4.5s} Rg3 {[%eval 0,49] 2.9s} 202. Rxg3 {[%eval 73,9] 4.0s} hxg3 {[%eval 0,
51] 4.3s} 203. Bf3 {[%eval 62,8] 6.9s} Qd7 {[%eval 0,52] 2.4s} 204. Bxg2 {
[%eval 70,7] 7.3s} Qh7 {[%eval 0,47] 7.9s} 205. Rh1 {[%eval 89,7] 3.5s} Qh5 {
[%eval 0,49] 2.3s} 206. Rc1 {[%eval 75,8] 6.5s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,49] 2.9s} 207.
Rh1 {[%eval 98,7] 3.0s} Kd8 {[%eval 0,49] 2.9s} 208. Ke1 {[%eval 104,7] 4.3s}
Kc7 {[%eval 0,47] 3.0s} 209. Kd2 {[%eval 101,8] 4.0s} Kb6 {[%eval 0,47] 3.2s}
210. Ke1 {[%eval 99,8] 5.4s} Qh4 {[%eval 0,50] 2.8s} 211. Ke2 {[%eval 89,9] 5.
1s} Qh5+ {[%eval 0,49] 2.8s} 212. Kd2 {[%eval 84,9] 7.5s} Qg6 {[%eval 0,49] 2.
8s} 213. Rg1 {[%eval 91,9] 3.9s} Qh7 {[%eval 0,49] 2.9s} 214. Rh1 {[%eval 88,9]
4.1s} Kc7 {[%eval 0,50] 3.4s} 215. Kd1 {[%eval 95,8] 6.7s} Qg7 {[%eval 0,50] 3.
3s} 216. Rg1 {[%eval 96,9] 4.4s} Kd7 {[%eval 0,50] 3.4s} 217. Kc1 {[%eval 136,
7] 6.6s} Qh6 {[%eval 0,48] 3.5s} 218. Kd1 {[%eval 73,8] 5.4s} Qh5+ {[%eval 0,
50] 4.6s} 219. Kd2 {[%eval 55,9] 4.8s} Qh8 {[%eval 0,43] 3.5s} 220. Rh1 {
[%eval 113,7] 2.9s} Qh5 {[%eval 0,52] 5.2s} 221. Ke1 {[%eval 99,8] 4.2s} Qh4 {
[%eval 0,51] 3.7s} 222. Ke2 {[%eval 87,9] 7.2s} Qh5+ {[%eval 0,53] 4.2s} 223.
Kd2 {[%eval 95,8] 4.4s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,55] 5.0s} 224. Ke1 {[%eval 71,8] 5.2s}
Qh8 {[%eval 0,51] 3.3s} 225. Kd2 {[%eval 82,8] 5.8s} Qh5 {[%eval 0,54] 4.7s}
226. Ke1 {[%eval 71,8] 4.2s} Qh7 {[%eval 0,52] 3.1s} 227. Kd1 {[%eval 82,8] 6.
2s} Qg6 {[%eval 0,54] 5.2s} 228. Rg1 {[%eval 68,8] 4.3s} Kf7 {[%eval 0,53] 4.2s
} 229. Kd2 {[%eval 112,7] 4.9s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,51] 3.8s} 230. Re1 {[%eval 81,7]
5.8s} Qh5 {[%eval 0,55] 6.2s} 231. Rh1 {[%eval 78,7] 3.3s} Qh7 {[%eval 0,54] 3.
7s} 232. Ke1 {[%eval 74,7] 5.5s} Qg7 {[%eval 0,52] 3.2s} 233. Kd2 {[%eval 80,8]
5.6s} Qh8 {[%eval 0,52] 3.2s} 234. Ke1 {[%eval 63,8] 5.5s} Kf8 {[%eval 0,52] 3.
3s} 235. Kf1 {[%eval 73,8] 4.8s} Qh5 {[%eval 0,54] 7.2s} 236. Ke1 {[%eval 54,9]
2.3s} Kf7 {[%eval 0,53] 4.8s} 237. Rg1 {[%eval 56,8] 7.3s} Kg6 {[%eval 0,49] 3.
6s} 238. Kd2 {[%eval 54,8] 5.4s} Qh4 {[%eval 0,52] 7.8s} 239. Kc1 {[%eval 63,7]
5.3s} Kf7 {[%eval 0,44] 4.9s} 240. Kd2 {[%eval 84,7] 4.9s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,54] 5.
9s} 241. Ke1 {[%eval 63,8] 4.9s} Kd8 {[%eval 0,51] 5.4s} 242. Kd2 {[%eval 62,8]
5.2s} Qh5 {[%eval 0,53] 4.5s} 243. Rc1 {[%eval 59,7] 4.8s} Qg6 {[%eval 0,56] 5.
7s} 244. Rh1 {[%eval 73,7] 4.4s} Kc7 {[%eval 0,53] 5.1s} 245. h4 {[%eval 71,7]
5.2s} Qh5 {[%eval 0,49] 4.1s} 246. Ke1 {[%eval 62,9] 4.9s} Kd8 {[%eval 0,54] 7.
2s} 247. Kd2 {[%eval 62,8] 3.5s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,55] 3.9s} 248. Bd5 {[%eval 52,8]
6.5s} Qg4 {[%eval 0,58] [%emt 0:00:11]} 249. Bg2 {[%eval 47,8] 3.2s} d5 {
[%eval 0,43] 3.1s} 250. cxd5 {[%eval 14,10] 5.1s} Qh5 {[%eval 0,46] 3.6s} 251.
Ke1 {[%eval 13,10] 5.6s} Kf8 {[%eval 0,54] [%emt 0:00:16]} 252. Rh3 {[%eval 12,
10] 6.8s} Kf7 {[%eval 0,54] 3.3s} 253. Kd2 {[%eval 14,10] 3.4s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,
53] 5.4s} 254. Ke1 {[%eval 15,10] 5.2s} Kd7 {[%eval 0,51] 7.4s} 255. Rh1 {
[%eval 20,9] 4.0s} Kc7 {[%eval 0,56] 5.7s} 256. Kd2 {[%eval 17,10] 6.2s} Kd7 {
[%eval 0,52] 4.2s} 257. Ke1 {[%eval 12,9] 5.7s} Kd6 {[%eval 0,54] 3.3s} 258.
Kd2 {[%eval 7,8] 5.4s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,52] 3.3s} 259. Ke1 {[%eval 6,8] 3.1s} Kd6
{[%eval 0,56] 7.3s} 260. Rh3 {[%eval 8,7] 6.7s} Kc7 {[%eval 0,54] 2.7s} 261.
Kd2 {[%eval 11,8] 3.1s} Kb6 {[%eval 0,40] 2.8s} 262. Ke1 {[%eval 12,9] 5.6s}
Kb7 {[%eval 0,46] 2.9s} 263. Kd2 {[%eval 11,9] 4.3s} Kc7 {[%eval 0,50] 4.5s}
264. Ke1 {[%eval 8,8] 4.7s} Kc8 {[%eval 0,51] 3.1s} 265. Kd2 {[%eval 9,9] 5.2s}
Kd7 {[%eval 0,55] 8.1s} 266. Ke1 {[%eval 9,8] 4.3s} Kc8 {[%eval 0,57] 3.2s}
267. Kd2 {[%eval 8,7] 7.8s} Kc7 {[%eval 0,54] [%emt 0:00:28]} 268. Ke1 {[%eval
5,6] 3.7s} Kb6 {[%eval 0,51] [%emt 0:00:16]} 269. Rh1 {[%eval 8,7] 6.0s} Kb7 {
[%eval 0,55] 3.8s} 270. Kd2 {[%eval 7,7] 3.6s} Kc7 {[%eval 0,47] 2.1s} 271. Rh3
{[%eval 6,7] 6.6s} Kd7 {[%eval 0,51] 2.4s} 272. Ke1 {[%eval 5,5] 3.8s} Kd8 {
[%eval 0,50] 4.2s} 273. Kd2 {[%eval 4,6] 4.8s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,48] 4.4s} 274. Ke1
{[%eval 5,7] 4.7s} Kd8 {[%eval 0,57] 3.6s} 275. Kd2 {[%eval 3,6] 6.1s} Ke8 {
[%eval 0,53] 4.6s} 276. Ke1 {[%eval 4,6] 4.6s} Kf7 {[%eval 0,55] 2.5s} 277. Rh1
{[%eval 6,7] 5.2s} Kf8 {[%eval 0,52] 9.1s} 278. Kd2 {[%eval 5,5] 4.7s} Kf7 {
[%eval 0,53] 8.3s} 279. Ke1 {[%eval 4,5] 5.2s} Ke8 {[%eval 0,49] 3.1s} 280. Kd2
{[%eval 3,6] 6.2s} Kf8 {[%eval 0,56] 3.3s} 281. Ke1 {[%eval 5,7] 3.7s} Kf7 {
[%eval 0,53] 2.3s} 282. Kd2 {[%eval 4,6] 5.9s} Ke8 {[%eval 0,57] 9.1s} 283. Ke1
{[%eval 4,6] 4.2s} Kf7 {[%eval 0,56] 3.4s} 284. Kd2 {[%eval 4,6] 5.9s} Ke8 {
[%eval 0,61] 4.1s} 285. Ke1 {[%eval 3,5] 4.2s} Ke7 {[%eval 0,68] 6.1s} 286. Kd2
{[%eval 2,5] 3.3s} Kf8 {[%eval 0,48] 2.0s} 287. Ke1 {[%eval 3,5] 6.7s} Ke8 {
[%eval 0,57] [%emt 0:00:16]} 288. Kd2 {[%eval 1,5] 4.9s} Kf8 {[%eval 0,67] 9.
4s, Draw by 3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2
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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by jp » Sat May 23, 2020 12:59 pm

What do the engines with fortress detection code, e.g. Honey, say?

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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by bob » Sat May 23, 2020 5:10 pm

For the record, PGN was intended to be readable by both humans AND computers. NOT just computers. :) That almost made my head explode.

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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by Modern Times » Sat May 23, 2020 6:26 pm

bob wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 5:10 pm
For the record, PGN was intended to be readable by both humans AND computers. NOT just computers. :) That almost made my head explode.
Yes I think that is chessbase format, and I agree not easy to read. Cutechess pgns and Stefan's Shredder GUI pgns are very understandable.
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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by MikeGL » Sun May 24, 2020 12:39 am

bob wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 5:10 pm
For the record, PGN was intended to be readable by both humans AND computers. NOT just computers. :) That almost made my head explode.
I agree, would make one dizzy. I just used the old trick: CTRL+F then type [space]44.[space] so that I can go to exact move 44. of that PGN mess.
Maybe faster is CTRL+F [space]h4[space] would go to h4 move with the questionable eval score of SF.
I wonder why scores are not displayed by default if i enclose the PGN with pgn tags.

snippet from above pgn,

44. Bd5 {[%eval -37,9] [%emt 0:00:18]} h4 {[%eval 389,44] 5.6s} 45. Kd3 {[%eval -43,8]
[%emt 0:00:14]} Re8 {[%eval 389,45] 5.9s} 46. Rg1 {[%eval -59,8] [%emt 0:00:24]
} Kg7 {[%eval 389,46] 5.7s} 47. Kc2 {[%eval -55,7] [%emt 0:00:14]} Re7 {[%eval
389,46] 5.6s} 48. Kb2 {[%eval -51,7] [%emt 0:00:12]} Qc8 {[%eval 389,46] 5.7s}
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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by Ovyron » Sun May 24, 2020 4:39 am

Pasting it to Fritz 12 and copying it from there translates it to human :)



Highlight of the game:



Stockfish claims to have a -4.00 advantage on this position but can't win it!

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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by peter » Sun May 24, 2020 5:52 am

Ovyron wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 4:39 am


Stockfish claims to have a -4.00 advantage on this position but can't win it!
2q5/4r3/3p1pk1/p1pB1p2/PpP2P1p/1P1PPRpP/6R1/3K4 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystal 120520 64 POPCNT:

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1...Qf8 2.Kd2 Rh7 3.Rf1 Qe7 4.Rgg1 Qe8 5.Ke2 
  -+  (-4.67)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  185kN
1...Kg7 2.Ke2 Qe8 3.Kd2 Ra7 4.Rf1 Qe7 5.Rgg1 
  -+  (-4.70)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:00  250kN
1...Kg7 2.Kd2 Kf8 3.Rg1 Ke8 4.Rc1 Kd7 5.Rff1 Kc7 6.Rfe1 Rg7 
  -+  (-4.46)   Depth: 9/21   00:00:00  395kN
1...Kg7 2.Kd2 Qh8 3.Rg1 Kf8 4.Rff1 Ke8 5.Re1 Kd7 6.Rc1 
  -+  (-3.87)   Depth: 10/41   00:00:00  693kN
1...Kg7 2.Kd2 Kf8 3.Rf1 Ke8 4.Rgg1 Rc7 5.Rg2 Kd7 6.Re1 Qf8 7.Rgg1 Ra7 8.Rgf1 Qg7 
  -+  (-3.85)   Depth: 11/41   00:00:00  1034kN
1...Kg7 2.Kd2 Kf8 3.Rg1 Ke8 4.Rff1 Kd8 5.Re1 Kc7 6.Rgf1 Qd7 7.Rh1 Kb8 8.Rhg1 Rg7 9.Rc1 Ka7 10.Rce1 Kb6 11.Ke2 
  -+  (-2.92)   Depth: 12/41   00:00:00  1802kN
1...Kg7 2.Kd2 Kf8 3.Rf1 Rg7 4.Rfg1 Ke7 5.Rc1 Rg6 6.Rf1 Kd7 7.Re1 Kd8 8.Reg1 Kd7 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/68   00:00:00  5258kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Re5 3.fxe5 Qxe5 4.d4 cxd4 5.exd4 Qxd4+ 6.Kc2 Qa1 7.Rd3 f4 8.Bf3 Qa2+ 9.Kc1 Qa3+ 10.Kc2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/68   00:00:00  5549kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Re5 3.fxe5 Qxe5 4.d4 cxd4 5.exd4 Qxd4+ 6.Kc2 Qa1 7.Rd2 Kg5 8.Rfd3 f4 9.Bf3 Qa2+ 10.Kc1 Qa1+ 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/68   00:00:00  5808kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rf1 Re5 5.Bf3 Re7 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/68   00:00:00  6379kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rf1 Re5 5.Bg2 Re6 6.Bd5 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/68   00:00:00  7061kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Re5 3.fxe5 Qxe5 4.d4 cxd4 5.exd4 Qxd4+ 6.Kc2 Qa1 7.Rd2 Kg5 8.Rfd3 f4 9.Bf3 Qa2+ 10.Kc1 Qa1+ 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 18/68   00:00:00  7769kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rf1 Re5 5.Bg2 Re6 6.Bd5 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 19/68   00:00:00  9146kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rg2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 20/68   00:00:01  27359kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rg2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 21/68   00:00:02  34027kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rg2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 22/68   00:00:02  41557kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rg2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 23/68   00:00:02  48772kN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rg2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 24/68   00:00:03  59668kN
1...Qe8 2.Ke2 Kg7 3.Kd2 Re6 4.Re2 Kf8 5.Re1 Ke7 6.Re2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 25/12   00:00:42  1135MN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Re2 Kf8 4.Rg2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 26/16   00:01:51  3017MN
1...Qe8 2.Kd2 Kg7 3.Ke2 Qb8 4.Rg1 Qf8 5.Rg2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 27/10   00:14:20  23825MN
 
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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by MikeB » Sun May 24, 2020 6:51 am

jp wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 12:59 pm
What do the engines with fortress detection code, e.g. Honey, say?

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# Honey-FD-dev-052420
Honey FD 052420 by M. Byrne and scores of others...
s dpa true
Confirmation: Deep Pro Analysis set to true
s  t 8
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 256 Mb
Confirmation: Threads set to 8
s h 2048
info string Hash Table: Windows Large Pages, 2048 Mb
Confirmation: Hash set to 2048 Mb
p f 2q5/4r3/3p1pk1/p1pB1p2/PpP2P1p/1P1PPRpP/6R1/3K4 b - - 0 1
g i
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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by MikeB » Sun May 24, 2020 7:02 am

jp wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 12:59 pm
What do the engines with fortress detection code, e.g. Honey, say?

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Black Diamond 052420 by T. Romstad, M. Costalba, J. Kiiski, G. Linscott
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Re: Erratic eval from both A/B and NN in a single game.

Post by mclane » Sun May 24, 2020 11:49 am

Modern Times wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 6:26 pm
bob wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 5:10 pm
For the record, PGN was intended to be readable by both humans AND computers. NOT just computers. :) That almost made my head explode.
Yes I think that is chessbase format, and I agree not easy to read. Cutechess pgns and Stefan's Shredder GUI pgns are very understandable.
This chessbase format is a pain in the ass.
i would like to see it banned.

PGN format can be easily made readable for engines/GUIs and humans without any problems.
the way chessbase is doing it is medieval.

take a GUI like arena to produce an output that makes sense.
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Here we have a fairy tale of the day after tomorrow....

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