What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

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Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by mclane » Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:27 pm

IMO looking at the games, Toga II 1.3x4 is significantly weaker than Toga II 1.2.1a.
what a nonsense.

togaII1.3x4 is stronger than 1.2.1a.

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Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Eelco de Groot » Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:27 pm

Terry McCracken wrote:Thanks for all the responses, had I known yesterday what I know now, I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of downloading it :?

I ran a very small engine match with Toga II 1.3x4 and it was crushed in a six game match by Rybka 1.0 32bit by 5.5-0.5, and the only reason I see it wasn't a sweep of 6-0 was Rybka offered a draw on move 15 in it's second game :shock:

The time controls were G/60.

IMO looking at the games, Toga II 1.3x4 is significantly weaker than Toga II 1.2.1a.

Terry
Hello Terry,

Sorry I always get confused with this shorthand, Game in sixty, I assume that is game in 60 minutes? Or sixty seconds? (Some people do that you know..) If it is game in sixty minutes could you maybe post some of the games Terry?

With game in sixty seconds anything is possible but game in sixty minutes should even out out I think, Rybka 1.0 is not that much stronger when it is not Blitz, the difference should certainly not be more than 30 elo i.e. around 54-46 in a long match.

Eelco

Terry McCracken

Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Terry McCracken » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:13 pm

Eelco de Groot wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:Thanks for all the responses, had I known yesterday what I know now, I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of downloading it :?

I ran a very small engine match with Toga II 1.3x4 and it was crushed in a six game match by Rybka 1.0 32bit by 5.5-0.5, and the only reason I see it wasn't a sweep of 6-0 was Rybka offered a draw on move 15 in it's second game :shock:

The time controls were G/60.

IMO looking at the games, Toga II 1.3x4 is significantly weaker than Toga II 1.2.1a.

Terry
Hello Terry,

Sorry I always get confused with this shorthand, Game in sixty, I assume that is game in 60 minutes? Or sixty seconds? (Some people do that you know..) If it is game in sixty minutes could you maybe post some of the games Terry?

With game in sixty seconds anything is possible but game in sixty minutes should even out out I think, Rybka 1.0 is not that much stronger when it is not Blitz, the difference should certainly not be more than 30 elo i.e. around 54-46 in a long match.

Eelco
Sorry Eelco, it was Game in 60 minutes.

I'll post the games in a little while.

Terry

Terry McCracken

Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Terry McCracken » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:11 pm

Terry McCracken wrote:
Eelco de Groot wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:Thanks for all the responses, had I known yesterday what I know now, I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of downloading it :?

I ran a very small engine match with Toga II 1.3x4 and it was crushed in a six game match by Rybka 1.0 32bit by 5.5-0.5, and the only reason I see it wasn't a sweep of 6-0 was Rybka offered a draw on move 15 in it's second game :shock:

The time controls were G/60.

IMO looking at the games, Toga II 1.3x4 is significantly weaker than Toga II 1.2.1a.

Terry
Hello Terry,

Sorry I always get confused with this shorthand, Game in sixty, I assume that is game in 60 minutes? Or sixty seconds? (Some people do that you know..) If it is game in sixty minutes could you maybe post some of the games Terry?

With game in sixty seconds anything is possible but game in sixty minutes should even out out I think, Rybka 1.0 is not that much stronger when it is not Blitz, the difference should certainly not be more than 30 elo i.e. around 54-46 in a long match.

Eelco
Sorry Eelco, it was Game in 60 minutes.

I'll post the games in a little while.

Terry
Here are the games.

(212) Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit - Toga II 1.3x4 [B54]
Default, Blitz:60' Default (1), 05.04.2007
[0.01;0.05]
W=13.7 ply; 20kN/sB=13.9 ply; 107kN/s 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3 Nc6 6.Nc3 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.Be3 0–0 9.Qd2 a5 10.Bb5 Be6 Black last book move 11.0–0–0 Na7 0.05/11 1:08 12.Be2 White last book move 12...Nc6 0.00/14 1:22 13.a4 (Bb5) 0.01/8 1:13 13...Nb4 -0.48/13 1:32 14.Kb1 -0.17/11 2:15 Rc8 (Qc8) -0.57/13 1:18 15.g4 0.02/12 2:03 Qc7 -0.44/13 1:08 16.g5 0.01/12 1:47 Nd7 (Nh5) -0.27/13 2:18 17.Bb5 0.05/11 1:39 f5 (Ra8) -0.31/12 1:37 18.Nd5 (gxf6) 0.19/12 1:04 18...Nxd5 (Bxd5) -0.59/13 1:35 19.exd5 -0.02/11 36 Bf7 -0.62/13 1:12 20.h4 0.00/11 1:05 Bh5 -0.52/13 1:04 21.Rdf1 (Rh3) 0.00/13 1:57 21...f4 -0.37/13 1:34 22.Bg1 -0.04/13 59 b6 -0.45/13 1:15 23.Bc6 (Rh2) -0.05/13 2:07 23...Nb8 -0.72/14 1:08 24.Bb5 -0.06/12 47 Qb7 -0.51/13 1:13 25.Qe2 (c3) 0.00/12 1:30 25...Bf7 -0.77/13 58 26.Rd1 (c4) -0.07/12 1:16 26...Bxd5 (Rc7) -0.66/13 1:15 27.Rxd5 0.32/13 52 Qxd5 -0.10/13 45 28.Bxb6 0.39/13 1:13 Kh8 0.00/14 1:16 29.Bxa5 0.58/12 51 Qe6 (Nc6) 0.00/14 52 30.Bc3 (Bd3) 0.82/13 1:04 30...Nc6 0.00/12 53 31.a5 (Qd3) 0.86/12 51 31...Rc7 (Bd8) -0.18/12 41 32.a6 0.96/12 1:07 Rb8 (Ra8) -0.16/13 57 33.Rd1 0.81/11 1:36 Qc8 (Na7) -0.10/13 1:17 34.h5 (Na5) 0.92/12 40 34...Na7 0.00/13 1:57 35.Bd3 1.04/13 52 Bxg5 0.00/13 57 36.Ba5 0.90/13 1:15 Rc6 0.04/13 42 37.Qe4 1.13/13 47 Qg8 0.14/13 35 38.Qf5 1.18/12 37 Bh4 0.18/13 46 39.Qd7 1.07/12 53 Bf2 0.60/12 36 40.h6 1.54/12 1:24 d5 (Rf8) 1.81/14 10:36 41.hxg7+ (Bc7) 2.42/10 37 41...Qxg7 1.10/4 0 42.Qxd5 2.36/11 24 Rh6 1.81/12 1:25 43.Bc3 2.54/12 57 Re8 1.81/12 32 44.Bc4 2.78/11 35 Bb6 1.83/11 16 45.Qb7 2.99/11 49 Qxb7 (Qc7) 1.98/12 29 46.axb7 3.32/11 25 Bc7 (Nc6) 2.70/14 36 47.Rd7 3.91/13 28 Bb8 2.83/14 15 48.Bf7 4.00/14 33 Rf8 3.37/14 16 49.Bb4 4.00/14 42 Rxf7 3.78/14 22 50.Rxf7 4.02/14 57 Rh1+ (Nc6) 3.77/14 26 51.Ka2 4.49/13 2:11 Nc6 (Rg1) 3.87/14 12 52.Bc5 4.59/13 40 Rd1 3.85/14 13 53.Rf8+ 4.43/12 23 Kg7 4.12/4 0 54.Rc8 4.27/13 20 Rd7 3.97/14 15 55.Rxc6 4.23/12 21 Rxb7 4.01/13 11 56.c4 (Bf2) 4.19/11 26 56...h5 (e4) 3.81/13 18 57.Na5 (Bf2) 3.95/11 19 57...Rc7 (Rd7) 3.49/13 18 58.Bb6 3.95/13 17 Rd7 (Rf7) 3.40/12 20 59.c5 (Rc8) 4.72/13 17 59...h4 (e4) 3.49/13 16 60.Rc8 4.65/13 23 h3 3.32/13 16 61.c6 5.13/13 17 Rf7 (Re7) 3.45/14 13 62.c7 5.26/13 28 Rxc7 (Bxc7) 3.49/14 9 63.Bxc7 6.04/16 18 h2 3.85/14 6 64.Bxe5+ 6.04/17 25 Bxe5 5.51/17 15 65.Rc1 6.04/18 7 Bd4 5.65/17 10 66.Rh1 6.04/19 17 Bg1 5.91/18 10 67.Nc4 6.04/20 17 Kf6 6.02/17 9 68.Nd2 6.04/19 24 Ke5 (Kf7) 6.09/16 12 69.Nf1 6.04/16 14 Bc5 (Bf2) 6.19/15 13 70.Rxh2 (Nxh2) 6.04/17 1:04 70...Kd4 (Bd6) 6.25/14 14 71.Re2 (Kb3) 6.95/14 15 71...Kd3 (Bd6) 6.70/15 12 72.Re4 6.95/16 15 Bb6 (Bd6) 6.92/15 12 73.Rxf4 6.95/16 10 Ke2 (Bd4) 6.95/15 11 74.Ng3+ 6.95/15 18 1–0


(213) Toga II 1.3x4 - Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit [B54]
Default, Blitz:60' Default (2), 05.04.2007
[0.00;0.00]
W=14.1 ply; 109kN/sB=13.6 ply; 12kN/s 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.f3 Nc6 6.Nc3 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.Be3 0–0 9.Qd2 a5 10.Bb5 Be6 Black last book move 11.0–0–0 Na7 0.00/12 1:43 12.Be2 Nc6 0.00/12 30 13.Bb5 0.00/14 1:30 Na7 0.00/15 2:31 14.Bd3 (Bf1) 0.00/13 1:08 14...Nc6 0.00/13 1:09 15.Bb5 Draw accepted 0.00/14 1:12 ½–½


(214) Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit - Toga II 1.3x4 [D47]
Default, Blitz:60' Default (1), 06.04.2007
[0.10;0.44]
W=14.4 ply; 27kN/sB=14.9 ply; 119kN/s 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 e6 4.e3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Be2 a6 9.e4 b4 10.e5 bxc3 11.exf6 Nxf6 12.bxc3 Bd6 13.0–0 0–0 14.Bg5 Both last book move 14...Rb8 0.44/12 1:20 15.Rb1 0.10/9 1:18 Bb7 0.52/13 2:21 16.Bd3 0.24/11 1:35 c5 (h6) 0.49/13 1:47 17.dxc5 0.30/12 2:07 Bxc5 0.32/13 1:43 18.Bf4 0.13/12 2:06 Bxf3 0.18/14 1:43 19.Qxf3 0.20/13 1:18 Rxb1 0.20/14 1:40 20.Rxb1 0.23/13 2:36 Qa5 0.20/14 1:33 21.Bc4 0.29/12 2:39 Nd5 (Rd8) 0.09/13 2:35 22.Be5 0.44/12 1:18 Ne7 (Be7) 0.38/12 2:14 23.Rb7 0.45/10 56 Nf5 0.12/13 1:19 24.Qf4 (Qe2) 0.43/11 1:44 24...Qa4 (Qd8) 0.08/12 1:27 25.h3 0.32/11 1:41 g6 (Qd1+) -0.01/12 1:11 26.Bb3 0.44/12 1:24 Qxf4 0.43/14 49 27.Bxf4 0.50/15 1:06 Nd6 0.19/15 1:16 28.Rc7 0.68/15 47 Ne4 0.42/16 1:22 29.Kf1 0.74/14 51 Rd8 0.38/15 1:10 30.Rc6 0.78/14 1:14 Bd6 0.40/14 46 31.Be3 (Bc1) 0.99/14 59 31...Be5 0.59/13 46 32.c4 1.09/13 54 Bd4 (a5) 0.76/14 1:52 33.Bxd4 (Ke2) 1.38/14 46 33...Rxd4 0.81/14 58 34.Ke2 1.47/14 1:26 a5 (Kg7) 0.93/14 1:02 35.Ra6 1.58/14 1:17 Rd8 (Kg7) 0.96/14 57 36.Ke3 1.92/14 1:11 Nd6 1.04/14 56 37.c5 2.02/13 35 Nf5+ 1.14/14 35 38.Ke4 1.90/13 58 h5 1.14/14 50 39.g4 (Rxa5) 2.22/13 47 39...hxg4 1.26/13 51 40.hxg4 2.16/13 24 Rd4+ (Ne7) 1.42/14 1:07 41.Ke5 2.40/15 1:08 Rxg4 1.47/14 31 42.c6 2.36/14 1:23 Ne7 (Kg7) 2.06/15 2:20 43.Kd6 (c7) 3.51/15 51 43...Nxc6 1.28/14 24 44.Kxc6 3.78/15 36 Rg5 1.39/17 38 45.Kb6 (Ra8+) 4.12/15 30 45...Rg2 1.92/15 37 46.Rxa5 4.74/14 36 Rxf2 2.55/15 36 47.a4 4.81/14 11 Rd2 2.92/14 47 48.Rb5 5.63/15 36 Kf8 4.36/15 3:16 49.a5 5.63/15 9 Rd6+ 4.57/15 27 50.Kb7 5.63/17 26 Rd7+ 4.85/15 37 51.Kc6 5.63/17 34 Ra7 (Rd8) 4.86/17 25 52.Rb8+ (Kb6) 6.50/17 23 52...Kg7 5.78/16 29 53.Kb6 6.56/17 32 Rd7 5.78/15 23 54.a6 6.56/16 39 Rd6+ 5.84/14 27 55.Ka5 6.56/13 41 Rd7 (Rxa6+) 6.04/15 13 56.Rb7 7.49/15 27 Rd8 7.59/16 15 57.a7 7.49/15 20 Ra8 7.78/16 17 58.Bxe6 8.35/15 13 Kh6 (Kf6) 7.81/15 14 59.Bxf7 (Rxf7) 8.35/13 21 1–0


(215) Toga II 1.3x4 - Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit [D47]
Default, Blitz:60' Default (2), 06.04.2007
[0.49;0.01]
W=14.2 ply; 121kN/sB=13.2 ply; 22kN/s 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 e6 4.e3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nbd7 6.Bd3 dxc4 7.Bxc4 b5 8.Be2 a6 9.e4 b4 10.e5 bxc3 11.exf6 Nxf6 12.bxc3 Bd6 13.0–0 0–0 14.Bg5 Both last book move 14...Rb8 0.01/12 1:57 15.Rb1 0.49/13 2:09 Bb7 0.11/12 1:31 16.Bd3 0.47/13 1:49 h6 0.09/12 1:39 17.Bh4 (Bd2) 0.33/13 1:30 17...Qc7 (c5) -0.03/11 1:06 18.Bxf6 (Ne5) 0.27/11 1:03 18...gxf6 -0.02/11 30 19.Qd2 (Qe2) 0.27/12 1:57 19...Kg7 -0.19/12 1:17 20.Qe2 0.21/12 1:21 c5 -0.08/12 2:00 21.Be4 0.15/12 1:39 cxd4 (Bxe4) -0.34/13 2:16 22.Rxb7 (Bxb7) 0.03/12 1:10 22...Rxb7 -0.11/12 1:20 23.Nxd4 0.00/13 2:20 Rc8 (Bxh2+) -0.28/12 1:53 24.Qg4+ 0.00/12 1:49 Kf8 (Kh8) -0.30/12 1:18 25.Bxb7 0.07/12 1:30 Qxb7 -0.38/12 57 26.Qh3 (Qh4) 0.00/12 49 26...Kg7 -0.50/12 1:32 27.Re1 (Qg4+) 0.00/12 1:00 27...Be5 (Qb2) -0.62/11 52 28.a4 (Qd3) -0.20/12 1:14 28...Rc4 (Qb2) -0.78/12 1:22 29.a5 (Qg4+) -0.57/12 1:37 29...Qd5 (Rc5) -1.21/13 1:16 30.Qg4+ -0.43/14 1:10 Kh7 -1.16/14 1:02 31.Qh5 -0.85/14 1:31 Rc7 -1.18/13 47 32.Kf1 -0.88/14 1:40 Qc4+ (Qc5) -1.30/13 1:16 33.Ne2 -0.88/14 40 f5 -1.40/13 1:09 34.Rc1 (Qf3) -0.94/14 1:03 34...Qg4 (Qb5) -1.59/14 1:11 35.Qxg4 -0.58/16 48 fxg4 -1.38/14 52 36.c4 (h3) -0.63/17 57 36...Rc5 -1.28/13 1:03 37.Rc2 -0.61/17 48 Kg6 (Rxa5) -1.34/14 1:13 38.Nc1 -0.56/15 53 Rxa5 -1.49/13 16 39.c5 -0.60/15 1:00 Bc7 -1.20/14 2:11 40.Ke2 -0.52/14 43 Kf6 (h5) -1.32/13 59 41.Nd3 -0.61/14 45 Ke7 -1.39/13 1:07 42.Nb4 (g3) -0.65/13 1:15 42...Kd7 -1.33/12 1:13 43.g3 (Kd3) -0.71/13 51 43...Be5 -1.47/11 11 44.Rc4 -0.86/13 47 f5 (h5) -1.59/11 12 45.Nd3 (Rc2) -0.86/13 34 45...Ra2+ (Bf6) -1.51/12 52 46.Ke3 -1.08/15 40 Bf6 -1.71/13 45 47.c6+ (Rb4) -1.24/13 39 47...Kc7 -1.95/11 10 48.Nb4 -1.39/14 28 Ra3+ (Ra5) -2.35/13 41 49.Ke2 -1.53/14 22 Ra5 -2.32/14 28 50.Nd3 -1.62/14 30 e5 -2.45/13 34 51.Ne1 (Nc5) -1.57/14 39 51...Rb5 (Be7) -2.41/13 36 52.Nc2 (Ng2) -1.54/13 29 52...a5 -2.40/12 23 53.Na3 -1.50/14 30 Rb2+ -2.56/13 1:04 54.Kf1 (Kd1) -1.64/15 30 54...Be7 -2.71/13 43 55.Nc2 -1.71/14 20 Rb1+ (f4) -2.55/13 57 56.Ke2 -1.69/15 23 Rb5 -2.50/13 44 57.Ne3 -1.72/14 21 e4 -2.55/13 26 58.Kd2 -1.81/14 29 Bb4+ (Bg5) -2.57/13 52 59.Kd1 (Kc1) -2.33/16 28 59...h5 -2.68/14 29 60.Rc2 (Ke2) -2.47/15 20 60...Bd6 (Rc5) -2.96/14 40 61.Nc4 -2.37/13 32 Be7 (Bc5) -2.95/13 24 62.Ne3 (Kd2) -2.44/14 18 62...a4 (Rc5) -3.31/13 25 63.Ra2 -2.56/13 26 a3 -3.37/12 7 64.Nc4 (Kc2) -2.78/13 16 64...Rb1+ (Bc5) -3.57/12 24 65.Kd2 -2.74/14 23 Bb4+ (Rh1) -3.57/12 14 66.Kc2 -3.48/16 43 Rh1 -3.92/14 13 67.Kb3 -3.43/15 14 Bc5 -3.98/13 15 68.Nxa3 -3.55/14 21 Rxh2 -4.02/12 12 69.Nc2 (Nb5+) -3.96/13 25 69...Rxf2 -4.84/12 34 70.Kc4 (Ra8) -3.99/14 19 70...Bb6 (Bd6) -5.36/12 15 71.Kb5 -6.31/13 1:10 h4 (f4) -7.35/14 24 72.gxh4 -7.55/12 16 g3 -7.50/13 10 73.Ra3 -7.63/12 16 f4 -9.28/13 39 74.Nb4 -10.06/11 15 g2 -12.42/12 2:32 0–1


(216) Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit - Toga II 1.3x4 [D30]
Default, Blitz:60' Default (3), 06.04.2007
[0.18;0.35]
W=12.9 ply; 22kN/sB=14.1 ply; 119kN/s 1.c4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d4 c6 4.Qc2 Nd7 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Nc3 Ngf6 0.35/13 1:11 7.Bg5 Qa5 Both last book move 8.Bd2 0.18/11 1:42 Qd8 (Bb4) 0.35/13 1:41 9.e3 (Bf4) 0.14/12 3:16 9...Bd6 0.30/15 1:38 10.Bd3 0.13/13 1:47 0–0 0.23/14 1:59 11.0–0 0.17/12 1:22 g6 (Re8) 0.22/13 3:03 12.Rfe1 (Rae1) 0.18/11 1:29 12...Nb6 0.16/13 1:25 13.e4 (h3) 0.10/12 2:24 13...Nxe4 (dxe4) 0.16/12 58 14.Nxe4 0.11/11 38 dxe4 0.21/12 54 15.Bxe4 0.13/12 1:43 Be6 (Re8) 0.24/13 2:21 16.h4 (Ng5) 0.24/12 6:11 16...Qf6 (Re8) 0.09/12 1:22 17.h5 0.19/11 1:07 Rfe8 0.09/11 49 18.Bg5 (Ne5) 0.14/10 1:10 18...Qg7 (Qh8) -0.17/11 1:22 19.h6 (hxg6) 0.23/10 16 19...Qh8 -0.25/12 55 20.Bd2 (a3) 0.19/10 1:01 20...Rac8 (Qf6) -0.18/11 1:47 21.Ne5 0.35/10 57 c5 (Rcd8) -0.51/11 1:17 22.Bxb7 -0.39/12 1:54 Rc7 (cxd4) 0.00/13 2:02 23.Bf3 (Qe4) 0.20/11 43 23...cxd4 -0.13/12 42 24.Nc6 0.37/11 39 Rec8 0.16/13 1:46 25.Qd3 0.57/12 1:18 Rxc6 (Nd7) 0.21/13 1:17 26.Bxc6 0.64/13 1:10 Rxc6 0.48/13 41 27.Rxe6 0.97/13 44 Bh2+ 0.42/14 36 28.Kxh2 1.00/13 13 Rxe6 0.51/15 57 29.Kg1 (Rd1) 1.18/13 1:01 29...Qe5 0.65/14 47 30.Rc1 (Rd1) 1.46/13 39 30...Qd6 0.80/13 44 31.a4 (Rd1) 1.62/13 35 31...Re8 0.79/13 32 32.a5 (Be3) 1.50/14 41 32...Nd7 1.08/14 30 33.Rc4 1.60/14 1:01 Ne5 1.17/14 32 34.Qxd4 1.72/14 45 Qxd4 1.25/14 37 35.Rxd4 1.72/15 21 a6 (Nc6) 1.27/15 55 36.Rb4 (Kf1) 2.09/14 34 36...Ra8 1.54/16 46 37.Bc3 2.20/15 35 Nc6 1.63/17 1:11 38.Rb6 (Rb7) 2.39/15 39 38...Ne7 1.66/16 27 39.g4 2.60/16 32 Nd5 1.73/16 26 40.Be5 2.64/16 31 Kf8 1.75/15 24 41.Kg2 (Rd6) 2.73/16 51 41...Ke7 1.80/15 25 42.g5 2.74/16 46 Ra7 1.81/16 37 43.Rd6 (Rc6) 2.73/16 57 43...Nc7 1.86/16 30 44.Kg3 (b4) 2.64/15 1:09 44...Ne6 1.84/15 40 45.Kg4 (Rb6) 2.70/14 38 45...Ra8 1.90/15 51 46.Rb6 (b4) 2.67/13 39 46...Ke8 1.91/16 39 47.f4 (b4) 2.75/13 1:04 47...Nc5 1.98/14 29 48.Bd6 3.16/13 28 Ne4 2.15/15 27 49.Ba3 3.35/13 19 Rd8 2.30/14 21 50.Rxa6 3.46/13 29 Rd3 2.36/14 30 51.f5 3.50/13 32 Nf2+ 2.56/13 29 52.Kf4 4.09/14 5:04 Nh3+ 2.82/12 21 53.Ke5 (Ke4) 4.09/14 3:25 53...Nxg5 2.95/11 24 54.Ra7 4.40/12 27 Nf3+ (Rf3) 3.60/11 34 55.Kf6 (Kf4) 4.99/12 30 55...Rd5 (Rd7) 4.50/12 30 56.fxg6 5.15/10 8 fxg6 4.49/13 25 57.Re7+ (Rxh7) 5.36/9 3 57...Kd8 4.67/14 24 58.Rxh7 5.29/9 1 Rf5+ 5.70/13 1:10 59.Kg7 (Kxg6) 5.36/10 3 59...Nd4 (Rxa5) 5.62/13 21 60.Rh8+ 6.24/8 3 Kd7 5.80/14 20 61.h7 6.30/9 5 Ne6+ 6.10/12 15 62.Kxg6 6.30/11 5 Rg5+ 6.14/13 19 63.Kf6 (Kh6) 7.43/11 24 63...Rg1 9.29/14 2:46 64.a6 7.43/10 8 Rf1+ 9.29/14 13 65.Kg6 (Ke5) 8.04/10 13 65...Rg1+ 9.29/11 8 66.Kf5 7.94/8 0 1–0


(217) Toga II 1.3x4 - Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit [D30]
Default, Blitz:60' Default (4), 06.04.2007
[0.40;0.02]
W=11.8 ply; 109kN/sB=10.7 ply; 12kN/s 1.c4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.d4 c6 4.Qc2 Nd7 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Nc3 Ngf6 0.35/13 1:11 7.Bg5 Qa5 Both last book move 8.e3 0.40/13 1:14 Ne4 0.02/13 1:32 9.Bd3 0.31/14 1:39 Nxg5 0.06/14 1:59 10.Nxg5 0.27/13 27 g6 (h6) 0.06/13 1:21 11.0–0 0.38/13 1:09 Be7 0.08/13 3:23 12.f4 0.45/14 1:45 0–0 (Nf6) 0.03/12 1:28 13.Qf2 (Nf3) 0.48/13 1:43 13...Qd8 (Nf6) 0.02/11 1:33 14.Nf3 0.43/12 1:08 Bd6 (Nf6) 0.07/11 1:31 15.Ne5 (Rae1) 0.34/12 2:04 15...f6 (Nf6) 0.09/12 4:06 16.Nf3 0.34/12 1:07 Nb6 0.05/11 39 17.Rae1 (f5) 0.37/12 1:31 17...Nc4 (Qe7) -0.06/11 1:38 18.Nh4 (f5) 0.47/12 2:37 18...Bd7 (Qa5) -0.10/10 1:17 19.e4 (Qc2) 0.29/11 2:09 19...Qb6 -0.07/11 52 20.b3 0.39/12 1:00 Qb4 (Qa5) -0.05/12 1:19 21.exd5 0.13/12 1:16 Nb6 0.36/11 1:20 22.Ne4 0.32/12 1:02 Be7 (Nxd5) 0.41/10 1:15 23.dxc6 1.36/11 1:12 Bxc6 0.62/10 13 24.f5 (Nc5) 1.13/12 1:10 24...g5 0.45/10 23 25.Nf3 0.96/12 52 Rac8 (Kh8) 0.51/10 1:34 26.Nc5 (Qg3) 1.06/11 51 26...Rf7 (Bxc5) 0.57/11 1:01 27.Ne6 (Rc1) 1.05/12 1:48 27...Qa5 0.45/11 1:21 28.Rc1 1.11/12 1:29 Nd5 (Bd6) 0.43/11 49 29.Nd2 (Be4) 1.19/13 58 29...Qxa2 0.66/10 32 30.Be4 1.49/13 37 Ra8 (Qa5) 0.99/12 1:35 31.Rc2 (Qf3) 1.55/14 55 31...Qa3 (Qa6) 0.73/12 1:04 32.Qf3 1.47/12 36 Qa5 0.92/12 1:28 33.Nc4 (Rcc1) 1.32/12 1:42 33...Qb5 0.89/11 15 34.Qh3 (Rcc1) 1.36/11 1:15 34...Bf8 0.60/10 47 35.Kh1 (Ra1) 1.17/11 1:07 35...Re8 (Qb4) 0.51/9 40 36.Rcc1 (Ra1) 1.35/10 33 36...Qb4 (Nf4) 0.72/10 43 37.Qf3 1.35/11 30 Rd7 0.63/9 15 38.Ra1 (Rfe1) 1.20/11 49 38...b6 (b5) 0.74/9 33 39.Rfc1 1.40/10 25 Ba8 0.92/10 41 40.Ra4 (h4) 1.22/10 32 40...Qe7 0.76/10 8 41.Ne3 1.08/11 43 Nxe3 0.89/12 1:11 42.Qxe3 1.22/12 22 Bxe4 0.82/12 29 43.Qxe4 1.23/12 14 Qf7 0.88/11 29 44.Qf3 (Kg1) 1.18/12 21 44...Bd6 (Kh8) 0.87/11 46 45.Rc6 (d5) 1.26/11 35 45...Rxe6 (Kh8) 0.84/10 19 46.fxe6 1.40/11 11 Qxe6 0.84/10 10 47.Ra1 1.41/12 22 Kg7 (f5) 0.91/10 48 48.Rf1 (g4) 1.38/12 21 48...Re7 (Rf7) 1.08/11 32 49.b4 (g3) 1.40/12 24 49...f5 1.00/11 28 50.b5 (g3) 1.36/12 30 50...f4 1.02/11 21 51.h3 (d5) 1.28/12 43 51...h6 (Rd7) 0.88/10 17 52.Ra1 (d5) 1.35/11 23 52...Rd7 (Kh7) 0.78/11 36 53.Rac1 1.33/11 31 Re7 (Qf5) 0.95/11 1:03 54.Rg1 (d5) 1.34/12 46 54...Qd7 (Kh7) 0.77/11 19 55.Ra1 1.37/13 26 Re6 (Qe6) 0.74/11 1:15 56.Qd5 (Qh5) 1.22/11 25 56...Rf6 0.74/10 17 57.Rc3 1.20/11 27 Rf7 0.76/11 30 58.Rd1 1.23/11 24 Qe7 (Rf6) 0.70/10 23 59.Rf1 (Kg1) 1.24/11 29 59...Rf6 0.70/10 25 60.Rc8 1.11/11 19 Rf7 (Re6) 0.91/9 20 61.Rcc1 (Rf3) 1.27/10 13 61...Qd7 (Rf6) 0.71/10 11 62.Rc6 1.27/12 27 Rf6 0.77/9 6 63.Qf3 (Kg1) 1.27/12 24 63...Re6 0.68/8 3 64.Ra1 (d5) 1.22/12 19 64...Qf7 (Qe7) 0.65/10 17 65.Qc3 (Qd1) 1.24/11 28 65...Re3 0.65/9 6 66.Qd2 1.26/11 18 Qd7 (Qe7) 0.65/9 7 67.d5 1.18/9 11 Qe7 0.73/8 10 68.Qc1 (Kg1) 1.20/9 12 68...Qe5 (Be5) 0.38/8 20 69.Rxa7+ 0.68/10 45 Kf6 (Be7) 0.53/8 8 70.Ra1 0.89/9 11 Qxd5 0.52/8 9 71.Qb2+ 0.87/9 12 Kf7 0.48/9 11 72.Kg1 (Qa2) 0.87/9 14 72...Re6 (Re7) 0.59/7 10 73.Qh8 (Qb1) 1.25/9 14 73...Kg6 0.24/8 10 74.Qg8+ 1.01/9 12 Kh5 0.22/9 8 75.Qf7+ (Rf1) 1.24/11 13 75...Kh4 0.08/9 5 76.Rf1 0.84/11 18 h5 -0.06/9 15 77.Rc8 0.93/10 15 Qd4+ (g4) -0.11/9 14 78.Kh1 0.00/11 12 Re2 -0.40/9 11 79.Rcc1 (Rc4) -0.04/10 18 79...Qe5 (Qe3) -0.38/8 19 80.Rc4 (Qg6) -0.38/10 41 80...Qe3 -0.53/9 7 81.Qf6 -0.83/10 11 Qg3 -1.81/10 6 82.Rg1 -1.33/11 7 Bc5 -1.95/9 2 83.Rc3 (Rxc5) -1.39/11 11 83...Be3 -2.32/10 7 84.Rxe3 (Qf5) -1.46/11 9 84...Qxe3 -2.46/9 2 85.Rf1 -1.53/11 8 Rc2 (Qe5) -2.64/11 30 86.Qg6 -1.39/11 11 Qe2 (Rc1) -2.68/11 10 87.Rg1 (Rxf4+) -1.70/11 4 87...Rd2 -2.63/11 8 88.Qf5 (Qc6) -1.99/12 7 88...Rb2 -3.35/11 11 89.Qd5 (Qc8) -2.14/11 7 89...Rxb5 (Qxb5) -3.35/10 6 90.Qd4 (Qc6) -2.34/12 7 90...Rb2 -3.48/10 2 91.Qc3 -2.36/11 6 Qf2 (Rc2) -4.04/11 5 92.Qd3 (Qc6) -2.36/10 8 92...b5 (Rd2) -4.16/11 3 93.Qe4 (Qd5) -2.94/11 8 93...Qe2 -4.43/11 4 94.Qd5 -3.21/11 7 b4 -4.54/11 4 95.Qa5 (Qd4) -3.21/10 3 95...Qe3 (b3) -5.46/9 5 96.Qf5 -3.57/10 5 b3 (Rd2) -6.38/9 5 97.Qf6 (Qg6) -3.99/10 5 97...Re2 (Rc2) -10.07/9 3 98.Qg6 (Qa1) -6.36/10 4 98...Re1 -12.26/11 4 99.Rxe1 -20.37/14 52 Qxe1+ -22.14/11 5 100.Kh2 -5.49/4 0 b2 -23.08/12 6 101.Qb6 -20.23/16 50 Qc3 (b1B) -320.00/12 14 102.Kg1 -#9/12 26 Qe3+ -320.00/9 0 103.Qxe3 -#8/11 1 fxe3 -320.00/9 0 104.Kf1 -#7/11 1 b1Q+ -320.00/7 0 0–1


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Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Uri Blass » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:34 pm

mclane wrote:
IMO looking at the games, Toga II 1.3x4 is significantly weaker than Toga II 1.2.1a.
what a nonsense.

togaII1.3x4 is stronger than 1.2.1a.
I think that both of you are wrong.
rating lists show no significant difference.

Uri

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Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Eelco de Groot » Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:43 am

Thanks for the games Terry. Unfortunately ít seems I need Chessbase to read this output and I don't have Chessbase installed. So it's a bit hard to follow any of the games. Can you let your Chessbase maybe do a pgn output Terry? Probably it was just an unlucky match for Toga here..

Eelco

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Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Terry McCracken » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:27 am

Eelco de Groot wrote:Thanks for the games Terry. Unfortunately ít seems I need Chessbase to read this output and I don't have Chessbase installed. So it's a bit hard to follow any of the games. Can you let your Chessbase maybe do a pgn output Terry? Probably it was just an unlucky match for Toga here..

Eelco
Sorry about that. Well I may run more games and see if it was unlucky or not.

As for the PGN, just copy my games in wordpad and weed out the ChessBase junk, then you'll have clean PGNs :wink:

I never thought that was going to be a problem as almost everyone here has at least one ChessBase product :?

I have too many! :shock:

Terry

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Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Eelco de Groot » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:12 am

Terry McCracken wrote:
Eelco de Groot wrote:Thanks for the games Terry. Unfortunately ít seems I need Chessbase to read this output and I don't have Chessbase installed. So it's a bit hard to follow any of the games. Can you let your Chessbase maybe do a pgn output Terry? Probably it was just an unlucky match for Toga here..

Eelco
Sorry about that. Well I may run more games and see if it was unlucky or not.

As for the PGN, just copy my games in wordpad and weed out the ChessBase junk, then you'll have clean PGNs :wink:

I never thought that was going to be a problem as almost everyone here has at least one ChessBase product :?

I have too many! :shock:

Terry
If I ever buy a Chessbase product it would probably be because I want to study Jeroen Noomen's opening novelties in Rykba II.ctg... Which is a Rybka and Convekta product.. But it is not really so much a matter of principle but also because I can never really make good use of all those different programs anyway let alone another GUI to get used to. There are 198 different Toga settings listed in my Shredder GUI that I should test first, that should keep at least my computer busy for more than five years. But then I may never make a new Toga or Glaurung or Pro deo or Hiarcs setting to try or my five year testing schedule is not working anymore, or maybe there is a new version of Toga first, or one of Glaurung, or a Shogi program from Tord, or against all odds a new Fruit release from Fabien and Ryan, or who knows, maybe Bruce Moreland finally releases Ferret from its compound! :P

Thank goodness there is the CEGT and CCRL and SSDF and some other indefatigable chesstesters, so at least we can keep up to date with all the important new versions of chessprograms and even get accurate ratings for them by just following the lists! Where would we be without them, we would be totally in the dark, nowhere :shock:

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Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Eelco de Groot » Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:26 am

Some other testresults of Toga 1.3 Blueberry at 5 minutes + 5 seconds or slightly longer Fischer time control against Rybka 1.0 Beta, Toga Blueberry did not start so well against Rybka here either but it is still a race:


First Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 5 minutes per game with 5 seconds Fischer increment. 64 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

Rybka Beta wins 3½-2½ [+2 =3 -1]

Second Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 5 minutes per game with 5 seconds Fischer increment. 64 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

A tie 3-3 [+1 =4 -1]

Third Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 5 minutes per game with 5 seconds Fischer increment. 128 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

Rybka Beta wins 4½-1½ [+4 =1 -1]

Fourth Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 5 minutes per game with 5 seconds Fischer increment. 128 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

Rybka Beta wins 3½-½ [+3 =1 -0]

Fifth Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 5 minutes per game with 5 seconds Fischer increment. 128 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

Toga Blueberry wins 2½-1½ [+2 =1 -1]

Sixth Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 5 minutes per game with 5 seconds Fischer increment. 128 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

A tie 2-2 [+1 =2 -1]

Seventh Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 5 minutes per game with 5 seconds Fischer increment. 128 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

A tie 2-2 [+1 =2 -1]

Eighth Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 5 minutes per game with 5 seconds Fischer increment. 128 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

Toga Blueberry wins 2½-1½ [+2 =1 -1]

Ninth Run Toga 1.3 Blueberry 0.93g9i - Rybka 1.0 Beta, Shredder GUI, Shredder9.bkt for both programs, 6 minutes per game with 6 seconds Fischer increment. 128 Mb hash for both programs. No bitbases for Toga.

Toga Blueberry wins 3-1 [+2 =2 -0]

Intermediate Result Rybka 1.0 Beta leads 22½-19½


Eelco

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Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

Post by Terry McCracken » Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:49 am

A good result for Toga I.3, at blitz it appears to do significantly better.

Thanks for the tests!

Best,
Terry

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