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Re: VIDEO citrine + software ARENA + rybka vrs. human KARMAZ

Post by Karmazen & Oliver » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:25 pm

... it´s dificult do a WIRELESS citrine... and expensive...

it´s posible win rybka too.

bye

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Re: VIDEO citrine + software ARENA + rybka vrs. human KARMAZ

Post by Karmazen & Oliver » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:31 pm

MikeB wrote:Very nice -- for those who are not techy wizards ( like me - although I can buld a computer from parts ordered on Newegg and do a little programminng - I pale in comparision to some of our members here who know these things inside out )

Visually watching the youtoob video was very instructive for me in setting up Citrine to work with Arena ...

....

I think this fact alone makes the Citirne a verifiable future COLLECTORS ITEM - Steve B please take this to our council for verification.

If you want one, please tell our sponsor ICD Youir Moves Chess and Games that you want one and that that their long time customer and friend Mchael Byrne sent you there and that you deserve a discount.. cc Me on your email and I will make a pitch that you deserve some sort of a discount since you were kind enough to read my post ;>) ( I will try my best, there are no guarantees - but I can only help you before your purchase - not after).

Long Live Citrine Regards

Michael
I´m spanish and not undestand VERY perfect all your words, in especial the lasts paragraphs .. a lot of thanks... for all post..

... perhaps if your chooses other words but simple and absence of verbal declines, is possible that the better text for me ...

but I understand the main content. You love CITRINE, you loves the chess, and the computers PC, as well as the chess software. Also you had seen the whole potential that (it) Has this possibility... (citrine+pc)

really brilliant. and cheap

I hope that NOVAG not "close" this options in news citrines... NOVAG not do this comunication for this use... but it´s posible..

bye. Oliver, since spain.

PD: I´m thinking in a future Driver TO CITRINE + Pocket PC... this options is powerfull and portable options, with editable books and save games... in a pocket pc... ( alain zanttecha have goods programs about it... near )

Very NEAR to immortality CITRINES forever ;-)
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Re: VIDEO citrine + software ARENA + rybka vrs. human KARMAZ

Post by Karmazen & Oliver » Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:46 pm

Chest-Nut wrote:
MikeB wrote: now you can play all the top programs that are either winboard or uci compatible or real 3D board for about $300 ( your price may vary) - great job by the Arena team and their supporters ....this might be the first real dedicated chess computer that that has joined DNA with every day computers (dgt board has no self contained program) and therfeore is the first chess computer that can be used with interchangabley with , literally hundreds and hundreds of chessprograms BESIDES ITS OWN on a read 3D Board )

Michael
If the Citrine can talk to the PC via wireless, that will be the utimiate unit in my opinion. But, the problem is, you don't know if you are playing with the Citrine or someone trick you by changing to a stronger program/level and got smoke badly.

Citrine could caught cheating by using Rybka in a touranment regards,

:D

Gregory
hello, gregory... I forgot say you one options that maybe like you a lot...

maybe it´s posible DO a driver for a "pocket PC" ... this is a fast CPU 400 Mhz or 500 Mhz ARM... similar phoenix products... (revelation and resurreccion models levels) and if somebody do a driver for this "smalls computer we can have a "portable" citrine with some engines with books or games to see on citrine..

not need any cable TO pc.. only a pocket pc.. similar hand PALMs , but with a software free...

Alain Zantecha have some programs to use a DGT board or previus novag computers.. I think that maybe it´s posible a driver to CITRINE and to this use.

bye ... oliver since spain.

Chest-Nut

Re: VIDEO citrine + software ARENA + rybka vrs. human KARMAZ

Post by Chest-Nut » Sun Apr 08, 2007 12:22 am

Karmazen & Oliver wrote:
Chest-Nut wrote: If the Citrine can talk to the PC via wireless, that will be the utimiate unit in my opinion. But, the problem is, you don't know if you are playing with the Citrine or someone trick you by changing to a stronger program/level and got smoke badly.

Citrine could caught cheating by using Rybka in a touranment regards,

:D

Gregory
hello, gregory... I forgot say you one options that maybe like you a lot...

maybe it´s posible DO a driver for a "pocket PC" ... this is a fast CPU 400 Mhz or 500 Mhz ARM... similar phoenix products... (revelation and resurreccion models levels) and if somebody do a driver for this "smalls computer we can have a "portable" citrine with some engines with books or games to see on citrine..

not need any cable TO pc.. only a pocket pc.. similar hand PALMs , but with a software free...

Alain Zantecha have some programs to use a DGT board or previus novag computers.. I think that maybe it´s posible a driver to CITRINE and to this use.

bye ... oliver since spain.
Yes, I can live with a Palm interface. It would be nice. I never find enough room on the desk where I use my PC.

Need a lot of room on my desk regards,

Gregory

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Re: VIDEO citrine + software ARENA + rybka vrs. human KARMAZ

Post by MikeB » Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:25 am

Karmazen & Oliver wrote:VIDEO S novag CITRINE + ARENA chess Rybka 2925 ELO ¡¡¡
_____________________________

also a little tidbit . after starting the game in referee mode , switch back non referee mode, lift the king of the opposite color that you want the Citirne to play - and you can sit back watch how your favorite engine engine play Citrine - they will play automatcually with no input from the user -- pretty cool...

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[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "8-CORE-PENARGYL"]
[Date "2007.04.09"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Novag Citrine"]
[Black "Rybka v2.3.1.mp.x64"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Time "03:14:40"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "122"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 g6 4. e3 Nf6 5. d4 cxd4 6. exd4 d5 7. c5 Bg7
{(7. ... Bg7 8.Bb5 0-0 9.0-0 Ne4 10.Re1 Bf5 11.Bf4 Rc8 12.h3 Qa5 13.Qa4)
-0.08/15 10} 8. Bd3 O-O {(8. ... 0-0 9.h3 Nd7 10.Be2 b6 11.cxb6 axb6 12.Bf4
Nf6 13.0-0 Ne4) +0.10/13 11} 9. O-O Bg4 {(9. ... Bg4 10.Be2 Ne4 11.Be3 b6
12.h3 Bf5 13.Qa4 Rc8 14.Ba6) +0.07/13 9} 10. Be2 Ne4 {(10. ... Ne4 11.Be3
b6 12.h3 Bf5 13.Qa4 Nxc3 14.bxc3 Qc7 15.Rad1 Rfb8 16.Bb5 Bd7) +0.12/15 2}
11. Be3 b6 {(11. ... b6 12.Bb5 Bxf3 13.gxf3 Nxc3 14.bxc3 Qc7 15.Qa4 Na5
16.Rac1 bxc5 17.dxc5 a6 18.Be2) +0.18/16 23} 12. Qa4 Bd7 {(12. ... Bd7
13.Qb3 e6 14.cxb6 Qxb6 15.Rfd1 Qxb3 16.axb3 Rfb8 17.Nxe4 dxe4 18.Ne5 Be8
19.Nxc6) +0.24/13 12} 13. Qb3 e6 {(13. ... e6 14.cxb6 Qxb6 15.Qxb6 axb6
16.Rfc1 Rfc8 17.a3 Nd6 18.Nb5 Nf5 19.Bd3 Nxe3 20.fxe3) +0.26/14 9} 14. cxb6
Qxb6 {(13. ... Qxb6 14.Qxb6 axb6 15.Rfc1 Rfc8 16.a3 Nd6 17.Nb5 Nf5 18.Bd3
Nxe3 19.fxe3 Bf8 20.Rc2) +0.26/15 11} 15. Qxb6 axb6 {(15. ... axb6 16.Rfc1
Rfc8 17.a3 Nd6 18.Nb5 Nf5 19.Bd3 Nxe3 20.fxe3 Bf8 21.b4 Be7 22.Kf2)
+0.29/17 16} 16. Rfd1 f5 {(16. ... f5 17.a3 f4) +0.37/14 7} 17. Bb5 f4
{(17. ... f4 18.Bd2 Ra7 19.Bxc6) +0.25/13 7} 18. Bd2 Ra7 {(17. ... Ra7
18.Bxc6 Bxc6 19.a3 Rc7 20.Rac1 Nxd2 21.Rxd2 Bd7 22.Re1 Rc4 23.Ne5 Bxe5
24.Rxe5) +0.25/14 4} 19. Be1 Nd6 {(19. ... Nd6 20.a4 Bf6 21.Ne2 Rfa8
22.Bxc6 Bxc6 23.b3 g5 24.Rac1 Rc8) +0.20/13 6} 20. Be2 Rfa8 {(20. ... Rfa8
21.a3 Na5 22.Rab1 Nac4 23.Bd2 Rf8 24.Bc1 Nb5 25.Nxb5 Bxb5 26.Bd3) +0.36/14
4} 21. a3 Na5 {(21. ... Na5 22.Rab1 Nb3 23.Rd3 Nf5 24.Nxd5 Nfxd4 25.Bd1 Nc5
26.Rxd4 Bxd4 27.Nxb6 Rb8 28.Nxd7) +0.40/15 19} 22. Nb1 Ba4 {(22. ... Ba4
23.Nc3 Bxd1 24.Bxd1 Nac4 25.Ra2 b5 26.Ne2 Bh6 27.Bc2 Rc7 28.Bb4 Ne4)
+1.39/15 4} 23. b3 Nxb3 {(23. ... Nxb3 24.Ra2 Nf5 25.Nc3 Nbxd4 26.Nxa4 Rxa4
27.Rd3 e5 28.Nxd4 Nxd4 29.Bd1 Rc4 30.Bb3) +2.04/17 5} 24. Ra2 Nf5 {(24. ...
Nf5 25.Nc3 Nbxd4 26.Nxa4 Rxa4 27.Rd3 e5 28.Nxd4 Nxd4 29.Bd1 Rc4 30.Bb3 Nxb3
31.Rxb3) +2.11/16 2} 25. Bc3 Rc7 {(25. ... Rc7 26.Bb2 Rac8 27.Ba6 Nbxd4
28.Nxd4 Nxd4 29.Re1 Ra8 30.Bxd4 Bxd4 31.Be2 Kf7) +2.44/11 3} 26. Bb2 Nbxd4
{(25. ... Nbxd4 26.Rxd4 Nxd4 27.Nxd4 Bxd4 28.Bxd4 Rc1+ 29.Bf1 Rxb1 30.Ra1
Rxa1 31.Bxa1 Bb3 32.Bb2) +2.44/11 12} 27. Re1 Nxe2 {(27. ... Nxe2+ 28.Rxe2
Bb3) +5.15/11 3} 28. Rxe2 Bb3 {(28. ... Bb3 29.Bxg7 Rc1+ 30.Re1 Rxe1+
31.Nxe1 Bxa2 32.Nc3 Kxg7 33.Nxa2 Rxa3 34.Nb4 Ra4 35.Nbd3) +5.53/16 3} 29.
Bxg7 Bxa2 {(29. ... Bxa2 30.Nc3 Bc4 31.Be5 Bxe2 32.Nxe2 Rc2 33.Kf1 Rxa3
34.Nxf4 Kf7 35.Ng5+ Ke8 36.g4) +5.66/15 2} 30. Nc3 Kxg7 {(30. ... Kxg7
31.Nxa2 Rxa3 32.Kf1 Rc8 33.Rb2 Nd6 34.Ke2 Nc4 35.Rc2 e5 36.Ng5 h6 37.Nf3)
+5.48/16 10} 31. Nxa2 Kf6 {(31. ... Kf6 32.Rb2 Rc4 33.Kf1 Rxa3 34.Nb4 Ra1+
35.Ke2 Re4+ 36.Kd3 Rd1+ 37.Kc2 Re2+ 38.Kxd1) +5.37/15 5} 32. g4 fxg3 {(32.
... fxg3 33.hxg3 Rxa3 34.Ne1 Rb3 35.Kg2 d4 36.Rd2 e5 37.Nf3 d3) +5.40/13 5}
33. hxg3 Rxa3 {(33. ... Rxa3 34.Kg2 Rb3 35.Ne1 d4 36.Kh2 Rc4 37.Kh3 b5
38.Kg2 Ra3 39.Rb2 d3 40.Rd2) +6.05/16 4} 34. Kg2 Rb3 {(34. ... Rb3 35.Rd2
Rc4 36.Ng1 Rd4 37.Re2 Rd1 38.Nf3 h6 39.Ne5 Nd4 40.Re3) +6.31/15 4} 35. Rd2
Rc4 {(35. ... Rc4 36.Ng1 Rd4 37.Re2 Rd1 38.Nf3 h6 39.Ne5 Nd4 40.Re3 Rxe3
41.Ng4+ Kg5) +6.31/13 6} 36. Re2 Rxf3 {(36. ... Rxf3 37.Rb2 Nd4 38.Rd2 Rf5
39.f4 b5 40.Rf2 Rc2 41.Nb4 Rxf2+ 42.Kxf2 Rh5) +8.85/12 5} 37. Rxe6 Kxe6
{(37. ... Kxe6 38.Kxf3 h5 39.Kg2 Ne7 40.g4 Rxg4+ 41.Kh2 b5 42.Nc1 b4 43.Nd3
Rc4) +10.86/13 4} 38. Kxf3 d4 {(38. ... d4 39.Ke4 Rc2 40.Nb4 Rxf2 41.g4
Re2+ 42.Kf4 Ne7 43.Kf3 Re3+ 44.Kf2 Nd5 45.Nc6) +10.55/18 3} 39. g4 Nh4
{(39. ... Nh4+ 40.Ke4 b5 41.Kd3 Kd5 42.Kd2 Nf3+ 43.Kd3 b4 44.Nxb4+ Rxb4
45.g5 Rb3+ 46.Ke2) +12.04/15 2} 40. Ke4 b5 {(40. ... b5 41.Kd3 Kd7 42.f4
Ng2 43.f5 gxf5 44.gxf5 Ne1+ 45.Ke2 Rc2+ 46.Kxe1 Rxa2 47.Kd1) +12.66/18 3}
41. f4 Rc2 {(41. ... Rc2 42.Nb4 Rg2 43.Nc6 Rxg4 44.Nxd4+ Kd7 45.Nxb5 g5
46.Kd5 gxf4 47.Kd4) +8.39/13 12} 42. Nb4 Rg2 {(41. ... Rg2 42.Nc6 Rxg4
43.Nxd4+ Kd7 44.Nxb5 g5 45.Kd5 Rxf4 46.Nc3 g4 47.Ne2 Rf5+ 48.Ke4) +8.39/13
1} 43. Nc6 Rxg4 {(42. ... Rxg4 43.Nxd4+ Kf6 44.Nxb5 g5 45.Nd6 Ke6 46.Nb5
Rxf4+ 47.Kd3 Kf6) +8.39/13 0} 44. Nxd4 Kd6 {(43. ... Kd6 44.Nxb5+ Kc5
45.Nd4 Ng2 46.Ke5 Nxf4 47.Nb3+ Kc4 48.Nd2+ Kb5 49.Ke4 Nh5+ 50.Ke5) +8.39/13
0} 45. Nxb5 Kc5 {(44. ... Kc5 45.Nd4 Ng2 46.Ne2 h5 47.Kf3 Ne1+ 48.Kf2 Nc2
49.Kf1 Nd4 50.f5 Nxf5 51.Kf2) +8.39/13 0} 46. Nc7 h5 {(46. ... h5 47.Ke5
Nf3+ 48.Ke4 Nd4 49.Na6+ Kc4 50.Nc7 h4 51.Nd5 Nf5) +7.84/12 2} 47. Ke5 Nf3
{(47. ... Nf3+ 48.Ke4 Nd2+ 49.Kd3 Nb1 50.Kc2 Na3+ 51.Kd2 Nc4+ 52.Kd3 Rg3+
53.Ke2) +7.73/10 1} 48. Ke4 Nd2 {(47. ... Nd2+ 48.Ke3 Nf1+ 49.Kf3 Kd6
50.Ne8+ Ke7 51.Nc7 Nd2+ 52.Ke3 Nc4+ 53.Kf3 Rh4 54.Ke4) +7.73/10 0} 49. Ke5
Nc4 {(49. ... Nc4+ 50.Kf6 Rg2 51.f5 gxf5 52.Kxf5 Nd6+ 53.Kf4 h4) +7.16/9 2}
50. Ke4 Rg3 {(50. ... Rg3 51.Na6+ Kd6 52.Kd4 Ne3 53.Nb4 Nf5+ 54.Kc4 Re3
55.Na2) +8.40/11 3} 51. Na6 Kb5 {(51. ... Kb5 Kc6 h4 53.Kd4 Na5 Kd7 h3 Kc6)
+8.40/16 0} 52. Nb8 h4 {(52. ... h4 53.Kd4 h3 54.Kd5 h2 55.Ke6) +9.00/8 1}
53. f5 h3 {(53. ... h3 54.Kf4 Rg1 55.fxg6 h2 56.Kf5 Ne3+ 57.Ke4 h1Q+
58.Kxe3 Qh3+ 59.Ke4) +13.78/10 1} 54. Kf4 Rb3 {(53. ... Rb3 54.Kg4 h2
55.Kg5 Rd3 56.Kf6 h1Q 57.Kg7 Qb7+ 58.Kh6 Qe7 59.f6 Qxf6) +13.78/10 0} 55.
fxg6 h2 {(55. ... h2 56.Nd7 h1Q 57.Kf5 Qh3+ 58.Kf6 Qxd7 59.Kg5 Qd8+ 60.Kh5)
+16.74/9 2} 56. g7 h1=Q {(56. ... h1Q 57.g8Q Rf3+ 58.Ke4 Rf2+ 59.Kd4 Rd2+)
+M7/3 0} 57. g8=Q Rf3 {(57. ... Rf3+ 58.Ke4 Rf2+ 59.Kd4 Rd2+) +M5/3 0} 58.
Ke4 Rf2 {(57. ... Rf2+ 58.Kd4 Rd2+) +M5/3 0} 59. Qg2 Qxg2 {(59. ... Qxg2+
60.Kd3 Qf3+) +M3/3 1} 60. Kd3 Qf3 {(60. ... Qf3+) +M2/3 0} 61. Kd4 Rd2
{(61. ... Rd2+) +M1/3 0 Mate} 0-1

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Re: VIDEO citrine + software ARENA + rybka vrs. human KARMAZ

Post by Karmazen & Oliver » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:24 am

MikeB wrote:
Karmazen & Oliver wrote:VIDEO S novag CITRINE + ARENA chess Rybka 2925 ELO ¡¡¡
___________________________
also a little tidbit . after starting the game in referee mode , switch back non referee mode, lift the king of the opposite color that you want the Citirne to play - and you can sit back watch how your favorite engine engine play Citrine - they will play automatcually with no input from the user -- pretty cool...

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[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "8-CORE-PENARGYL"]
[Date "2007.04.09"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Novag Citrine"]
[Black "Rybka v2.3.1.mp.x64"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Time "03:14:40"]
[WhiteElo "2350"]
[TimeControl "300"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "122"]
[WhiteType "human"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nf3 c5 2. c4 Nc6 3. Nc3 g6 4. e3 Nf6 5. d4 cxd4 6. exd4 d5 7. c5 Bg7
{(7. ... Bg7 8.Bb5 0-0 9.0-0 Ne4 10.Re1 Bf5 11.Bf4 Rc8 12.h3 Qa5 13.Qa4)
-0.08/15 10} 8. Bd3 O-O {(8. ... 0-0 9.h3 Nd7 10.Be2 b6 11.cxb6 axb6 12.Bf4
Nf6 13.0-0 Ne4) +0.10/13 11} 9. O-O Bg4 {(9. ... Bg4 10.Be2 Ne4 11.Be3 b6
12.h3 Bf5 13.Qa4 Rc8 14.Ba6) +0.07/13 9} 10. Be2 Ne4 {(10. ... Ne4 11.Be3
b6 12.h3 Bf5 13.Qa4 Nxc3 14.bxc3 Qc7 15.Rad1 Rfb8 16.Bb5 Bd7) +0.12/15 2}
11. Be3 b6 {(11. ... b6 12.Bb5 Bxf3 13.gxf3 Nxc3 14.bxc3 Qc7 15.Qa4 Na5
...
{(61. ... Rd2+) +M1/3 0 Mate} 0-1
Yes ... it´s a good option.. you can see how citrine play versus citrine, if you selecto mode auto. or mode DEMO... not need move the piece...

and when you are play versus engine pc. with citrine.. you can "press" space in computer pc, and wngines start thinking ( change side game ) ... do some moves, and press space again you can play with the original color... game...

this is fantastic...

on other theme:

I´m do two ( interestion I hope ? ) videos about LCD and board citrine see here:

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 595#110595


http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 595#110595

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Re: VIDEO citrine + software ARENA + rybka vrs. human KARMAZ

Post by Karmazen & Oliver » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:09 am

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4482 ... rnetq9.jpg
Image

I like your star game... but in the middle game if I was you.. i played more fast with rooks... rybka is very agresive... ;-)

I like more style of TIGER 15... it´s more human mode... but rybka is "imposible" in middle game...

you do a good change of queens... but your move bisop two times... and rybka have iniciative... rooks in open columns... or semi open.. not good back you onws pwans... if it´s not the end of the game..

but good game ;-) after all.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4482 ... rnetq9.jpg

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Re: VIDEO citrine The very Best OF CITRINE + arena chess

Post by Karmazen & Oliver » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:33 am

(The very Best Of CITRINE + ARENA chess GUI + rybka)

I´m closing the other post about VIDEO and insert that post in this treath... is more "logic" do ONE post about VIDEO citrine, that 3-

Hi... a lot of thanks for all people that like citrines, and do drivers ;-)

. .. I like citrine, and I know you like citrine too ;-)

Ok here maybe it´s posible see comand in time real ?

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4559 ... ialhv4.jpg
Image
______

Ok.. I´m do 2 VIDEOs ( number I and number III, II-IV are backups... not good see ) for you can see this: ( in one video you can see too: Le Grande Citrine of Bryan ;-) )

Here we can see how many time need serial port to comunicate with CITRINE, ( ARENA software ) send move, and ( twice send ? ), 1 or 2 seconds need to re-send moves...

In the fisrt video, is very long, and the first half not good see... but in the end of video, you can see moves, and responds in monitor and LCD...

video I is better see that video II. ( = )
video III is better see that video IV. ( = )

the server upload video youtube, only permit 320x240 res... and in this resolution.. uff


(avi 9 minutos GOOD SEE) ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4e9lXliXto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4e9lXliXto

(windows media 9 minutos fast see)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Glyrs0DzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Glyrs0DzQ

( 5 minutos cerca GOOD SEE ) ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEEzTeJArwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEEzTeJArwo

( 5 minutos cerca fast SEE )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18Y4279Hs0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18Y4279Hs0


I hope lile... for now I´m finished reviews, I´m outside of form, tired but happy ... maybe in future a driver for pocket pc.. maybe... ( hey alain hey, ;-) ... )

By the way, that with red mark is a Mirror in which a sector of the board of the monitor bounces... (to check the slight time that takes in sending it moves)... in time real.

bye bye since spain.

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