Fabien's open letter to the community

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by hgm » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm

Xann wrote:I confirm: the FSF owns Fruit 2.1
They are preparing a GNU Chess 6 release which includes Fruit 2.1 and PolyGlot for xboard compatibility (all in a single program).

Fabien.
That is really funny, because it would mean WinBoard will be distributed with GNU Chess after all. Because now I am distributing it with Fruit 2.1! :lol:

I hope for sure that they will distribute it with a Polyglot version that is compatible with the new XBoard protocol, and not one that would break all the functions for setting the engine options from the XBoard menus.

Who do I contact about this?

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by slobo » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:47 pm

SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
You are confused. Mr Rybka and Fabien are disputing Strelka´s code.
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Xann » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:48 pm

Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:It is not required to register copyright, but:
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Gian-Carlo,

Long time no see ...
I heard you're already a big name in computer Go!

Fabien.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by SzG » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:49 pm

slobo wrote:
SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
You are confused. Mr Rybka and Fabien are disputing Strelka´s code.
I told you I was confused.

I repeat: what new is there as an evidence for many posters here that Rybka is a stolen work.
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by hgm » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:50 pm

SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
Nothing, of course. But some posters have an ax to grind with Rybka, and they don't really need any facts (new or old) to swing it.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:51 pm

Xann wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:First thing came to my thoughts after reading the article is a huge lie Vasik was spreading through all these years....that he,Vasik,contacted Fabien regarding the fruit-Rybka affair and Fabien is fine with it and even doesn't care which as I wrote turned out to be a huge lie....
Dr.D
I confirm: no contact with Vasik.
I would like to have a pointer too.

Thanks,

Fabien.
And thanks from my side Fabien....
Do you how many insults and bashing I've suffered through the last 2-3 years trying to shed light on the real nature of Rybka's fanboys idol and his lies with no success....
I rest my case regards,
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Laskos » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:51 pm

SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
1. Strelka 1.8 gives almost identical output to Rybka 1.0. You can see that on my similarity graph posted in this thread, and Uri's examples.

2. Vasik personally claimed Strelka 2.0 sources as his own. Funny.

Now, if Strelka is Fruit 2.1 derivative, as Fabien implies, then...

Kai
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by tomgdrums » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:51 pm

hgm wrote:
Robert Flesher wrote:The man is a liar, why can't people see this?
Well, being a liar is not illegal, when you are not given evidence in court. To be a successful lawyer / businessman / politician lying is an indispensable skill. At some point, you have the choice between being a liar or a moron. Do you really expect him to say, when he has a 150 Elo lead over all competition, who are desperate to catch up: " O yeah, Ryba is exactly like Fruit, except for an added King safety term and twice faster because it uses bitboards". How long do you think it would have taken the competition to close that 150 Elo gap,in that case? One week? Two,perhaps?

Of course he lies. That just shows he is no idiot.
Yeah but his lie is why I had no problem buying Rybka. I thought it was okay. Now it seems as though it wasn't, so his lie has consequences. Your reasoning is morally incompetent at best.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by hgm » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:52 pm

slobo wrote:
hgm wrote:Your logic is definitely flawed. The correct should be:
At some point, you have the choice between being a liar or a no-liar. (...)
Of course he lies. That just shows he is not honest.
You are just sour he took you for a fool. But remember who was the fool! :lol:

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:52 pm

Laskos wrote:
SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
1. Strelka 1.8 gives almost identical output to Rybka 1.0. You can see that on my similarity graph poste in this thread, and Uri's examples.

2. Vasik personally claimed Strelka 2.0 sources as his own. Funny.

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