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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by hgm » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:54 pm

tomgdrums wrote: Your reasoning is morally incompetent at best.
I prefer to call it "non-naive"... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by JuLieN » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:56 pm

hgm wrote:
tomgdrums wrote: Your reasoning is morally incompetent at best.
I prefer to call it "non-naive"... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Congratulations to the both of you : just by try and fail method you gave an acceptable definition of cynicism. :)
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Frank Quisinsky » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:56 pm

Hi Fabien,

it was one of the best interviews I ever made. Without my girlfiend not possible, helps me with my bad English. The answers from the Stockfish team are just great. I am very lucky in this time that Tord, Joona and Marco made it with me and gave so many nice information.

Yes, I can send a mail what I read between the lines in our interview :-)
But I don't have your mail address!

If you have time for it:
Please write me:
www.amateurschach.de ... click on impressum ... contact form.

THANKS!
Best for you whatever you do!

Frank
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Carotino » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:57 pm

A real hornet's nest! Here's the truth comes out ...
Where are all those trombones, who see clones everywhere? :twisted:

...Caught with his fingers in the jam! :D

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by michiguel » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:59 pm

Laskos wrote:
SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
1. Strelka 1.8 gives almost identical output to Rybka 1.0. You can see that on my similarity graph posted in this thread, and Uri's examples.

2. Vasik personally claimed Strelka 2.0 sources as his own. Funny.

Now, if Strelka is Fruit 2.1 derivative, as Fabien implies, then...

Kai
Gabor asked for something new.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:59 pm

slobo wrote:
SzG wrote:
slobo wrote:
SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
You are confused. Mr Rybka and Fabien are disputing Strelka´s code.
I told you I was confused.

I repeat: what new is there as an evidence for many posters here that Rybka is a stolen work.
The newest one is that Rybka´s codes suddenly became lost ( or deleted), and cannot be examined by experts anymore.
Common sense....the crook must cover his crime signs....
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by slobo » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:59 pm

hgm wrote:
tomgdrums wrote: Your reasoning is morally incompetent at best.
I prefer to call it "non-naive"... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, you are allowed to call it as you like but, it seems, you know the truth.
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Laskos » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:00 pm

SzG wrote:
Laskos wrote:
SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
1. Strelka 1.8 gives almost identical output to Rybka 1.0. You can see that on my similarity graph posted in this thread, and Uri's examples.

2. Vasik personally claimed Strelka 2.0 sources as his own. Funny.

Now, if Strelka is Fruit 2.1 derivative, as Fabien implies, then...

Kai
It seems to me these have been known facts for years. I am sure of the first two, and the 3rd one has been discussed not very long ago also with the conclusion that it is true. Or?
The problem disputed was

3. Therefore Rybka 1.0 is a Fruit 2.1 derivative

Maybe I am missing something out of your confusion, but after Fabien statements about Strelka...

Kai

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:01 pm

Damn,this thread is taking over mine related to the match against Excalibur Ivan II in terms of popularity :lol:

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by JuLieN » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:04 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Damn,this thread is taking over mine related to the match against Excalibur Ivan II in terms of popularity :lol:

:wink:
If I'm not mistaken, the absolute record in terms of posts is the thread entitled "BB+ on the matter", with 253 posts, and the most poplar one in term of view count is the one entitled "On Robots", with 69043 views. ;)

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