Fabien's open letter to the community

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:59 pm

slobo wrote:
SzG wrote:
slobo wrote:
SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
You are confused. Mr Rybka and Fabien are disputing Strelka´s code.
I told you I was confused.

I repeat: what new is there as an evidence for many posters here that Rybka is a stolen work.
The newest one is that Rybka´s codes suddenly became lost ( or deleted), and cannot be examined by experts anymore.
Common sense....the crook must cover his crime signs....
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by slobo » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:59 pm

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tomgdrums wrote: Your reasoning is morally incompetent at best.
I prefer to call it "non-naive"... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well, you are allowed to call it as you like but, it seems, you know the truth.
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Laskos » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:00 pm

SzG wrote:
Laskos wrote:
SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made? He has only the same two source codes at his disposal which have been there for studying for more than 3 years.
So what is new here that makes some posters think Rybka is illegal?
1. Strelka 1.8 gives almost identical output to Rybka 1.0. You can see that on my similarity graph posted in this thread, and Uri's examples.

2. Vasik personally claimed Strelka 2.0 sources as his own. Funny.

Now, if Strelka is Fruit 2.1 derivative, as Fabien implies, then...

Kai
It seems to me these have been known facts for years. I am sure of the first two, and the 3rd one has been discussed not very long ago also with the conclusion that it is true. Or?
The problem disputed was

3. Therefore Rybka 1.0 is a Fruit 2.1 derivative

Maybe I am missing something out of your confusion, but after Fabien statements about Strelka...

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:01 pm

Damn,this thread is taking over mine related to the match against Excalibur Ivan II in terms of popularity :lol:

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by JuLieN » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:04 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Damn,this thread is taking over mine related to the match against Excalibur Ivan II in terms of popularity :lol:

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If I'm not mistaken, the absolute record in terms of posts is the thread entitled "BB+ on the matter", with 253 posts, and the most poplar one in term of view count is the one entitled "On Robots", with 69043 views. ;)

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by SzG » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:05 pm

Laskos wrote: Now, if Strelka is Fruit 2.1 derivative, as Fabien implies, then...
You see, if I were a chess programmer and I had 3 years to compare Strelka with Fruit 2.1 then I would not have had to wait for Fabien to reach the same conclusion as Fabien implies.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Matthias Gemuh » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:06 pm

SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made?
Does the fact that Vas claimed Strelka is a Rybka clone answer your question ? He even stopped ChessOK (or Convekta ?) from marketing Strelka.
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by AdminX » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:07 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Damn,this thread is taking over mine related to the match against Excalibur Ivan II in terms of popularity :lol:

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by SchachProfi » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:07 pm

Graham buddy, you can already starting to download Houdini, IvanHoe and the others... they will be legalized soon :twisted:

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by SzG » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:10 pm

Matthias Gemuh wrote:
SzG wrote:I am lost in this avalanche of post so I must ask someone to enlighten me: if all Fabien saw was his own code and the Strelka code, how is he to know what was the way Rybka was made?
Does the fact that Vas claimed Strelka is a Rybka clone answer your question ? He even stopped ChessOK (or Convekta ?) from marketing Strelka.
I think the main reason of my confusion is that 3 years ago nobody demanded us to remove Rybka from our lists...

The facts presented here have been there since early 2008.
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