Fabien's open letter to the community

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Houdini » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:34 pm

Matthias Gemuh wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:...

Personally, I'm waiting for this to play out further before making any big decisions.

Once Fabien says that he has examined all the facts for himself and states that Rybka is undeniably nothing more than a Fruit ripoff and which versions this applies to (statements that he would be prepared to defend in a legal sense), I will be perfectly happy to personally stop testing those versions ...
"those versions" only ?

Matthias.
I'm quite sure Graham will do the honorable thing and immediately stop testing Rybka 1.0 and 2.0.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Steve B » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:35 pm

JuLieN wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Damn,this thread is taking over mine related to the match against Excalibur Ivan II in terms of popularity :lol:

:wink:
If I'm not mistaken, the absolute record in terms of posts is the thread entitled "BB+ on the matter", with 253 posts, and the most poplar one in term of view count is the one entitled "On Robots", with 69043 views. ;)

Records are made to be broken.
On Robots
i wonder who started that thread?

another huge thread was
Collector's Corner..2007 Annual Physicals ....Regards
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Ovyron » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:43 pm

slobo wrote:The newest one is that Rybka´s codes suddenly became lost ( or deleted), and cannot be examined by experts anymore.
What is your definition of "new"?

2009-04-14 00:34

"Actually, I seriously don't have the Rybka 3 source code.

Vas"

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by mwyoung » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:43 pm

IWB wrote:Hi Graham
Graham Banks wrote:
Once Fabien says that he has examined all the facts for himself and states that Rybka is undeniably nothing more than a Fruit ripoff and which versions this applies to (statements that he would be prepared to defend in a legal sense), I will be perfectly happy to personally stop testing those versions and to advocate for their removal from the CCRL rating lists ....
Ask yourself if you ever got that much certanty from VR about the Littos!?

Actually I remember a posting where VR said that he lost the code and cant prove anything in front of a court and I am pretty sure you remember that as well ...

I think the only thing a tester can stick on is the good advice you once gave me: "There has to be a real name", and I like to add ", thats all!"

Bye Ingo
"(statements that he would be prepared to defend in a legal sense)"

Now that we know Mr. Banks standard of evidence for what programs can and can not be on his Rating List. That have been accused of being clones, or programs with accusation of stole code or ideas.

I am sure Mr. Banks will be posting the Houdini 1.5 results on his rating list today. Since Houdini does not meet this standard of evidence for exclusion on Mr. Banks CCRL rating list.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Matthias Gemuh » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:44 pm

Houdini wrote:
Matthias Gemuh wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:...

Personally, I'm waiting for this to play out further before making any big decisions.

Once Fabien says that he has examined all the facts for himself and states that Rybka is undeniably nothing more than a Fruit ripoff and which versions this applies to (statements that he would be prepared to defend in a legal sense), I will be perfectly happy to personally stop testing those versions ...
"those versions" only ?

Matthias.
I'm quite sure Graham will do the honorable thing and immediately stop testing Rybka 1.0 and 2.0.
You could have quoted me without cutting out the key point of my post:

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Why do you then reject latest Ivanhoe versions even if Ippolit were a clone ?
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Houdini » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:46 pm

Ovyron wrote:Easy, you make one change to the code and now you have Rybka 3.1, you delete Rybka 3 code, you make a change and call it Rybka 3.2, you delete Rybka 3.1 code.

By the time you're at Rybka 4, you've already rewritten most(?) of the code and the original code has been lost (as a fact it happened with the time control code and Vas had to code a new one).
No professional software developer would ever work this way.
Please Google "VCS", Version Control System.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Graham Banks » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:49 pm

mwyoung wrote:Now that we know Mr. Banks standard of evidence for what programs can and can not be on his Rating List. That have been accused of being clones, or programs with accusation of stole code or ideas.

I am sure Mr. Banks will be posting the Houdini 1.5 results on his rating list today. Since Houdini does not meet this standard of evidence for exclusion on Mr. Banks CCRL rating list.
1. I am only one tester. CCRL is a group of testers.
2. I have personally chosen not to test the Ippo family of engines.

This thread is supposed to be about the Rybka/Fruit issue, not about CCRL or myself.
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Houdini » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:49 pm

Matthias Gemuh wrote:You could have quoted me without cutting out the key point of my post
I always try to quote exactly the text my response applies to.

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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Graham Banks » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:50 pm

Matthias Gemuh wrote:You could have quoted me without cutting out the key point of my post:

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Why do you then reject latest Ivanhoe versions even if Ippolit were a clone ?
Because I choose not to, just as many others have also chosen not to. Personal choice.
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Re: Fabien's open letter to the community

Post by Steve B » Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:50 pm

Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Damn,this thread is taking over mine related to the match against Excalibur Ivan II in terms of popularity :lol:

:wink:
Speaking of view totals
this thread here in the CCC has 26929 views as i write
the same exact thread was posted in another forum at about the same time and it has a paltry 931 views as i write
now that's nearly a 30:1 ratio

this of course has nothing to do with the topic of the thread but i thought a bit of healthy chest pounding and struting ones stuff was in order

The Major leagues Regards
Steve
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