TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

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TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by ThomasJMiller » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:36 pm

Will programmers receive toys and candy or coal this Christmas? To find out, let's check Santa's Naughty or Nice List :D
Latest releases of many commercial and free engines have been included together with the most important open source ones.

Testing all the engines and preparing the dendogram has taken a lot of time so I wouldn't like this thread to be moved to the Engine Origins subforum. Therefore, please, avoid making comments like XXX is clone of YYY or so.
Everyone can nowadays read a dendogram, so you can draw your own conclusions by yourself.

Thanks to Adam Hair who helped me improve selfsimilarity results.

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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by Tom Likens » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:30 pm

Hello Thomas,

Djinn is weak, but I know I haven't copied it--that said, I would be very curious who it is most similar to. Could you include it in the test, (latest public version is 0.992)?

thanks,
--tom

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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by JuLieN » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:38 pm

So Gaviota is a clone of Chiron ? I KNEW IT !!!
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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by ThomasJMiller » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:46 pm

Tom Likens wrote:Hello Thomas,

Djinn is weak, but I know I haven't copied it--that said, I would be very curious who it is most similar to. Could you include it in the test, (latest public version is 0.992)?

thanks,
--tom
Hello Tom,
unfortunately Djinn supports only the Winboard protocol and Don's Similarity Tester works with UCI engines. I might try Wb2UCI, but I had some problems with it in the past.
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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by ThomasJMiller » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:49 pm

JuLieN wrote:So Gaviota is a clone of Chiron ? I KNEW IT !!!
LOL perhaps I said too soon that everyone can read a dendogram nowadays :lol:

You can safely ignore anything above 15 (perhaps also above 12.5).

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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by Tom Likens » Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:59 pm

ThomasJMiller wrote:
Tom Likens wrote:Hello Thomas,

Djinn is weak, but I know I haven't copied it--that said, I would be very curious who it is most similar to. Could you include it in the test, (latest public version is 0.992)?

thanks,
--tom
Hello Tom,
unfortunately Djinn supports only the Winboard protocol and Don's Similarity Tester works with UCI engines. I might try Wb2UCI, but I had some problems with it in the past.
Hi Thomas,

I think I need to do what Jon did with Arasan and make it support both UCI and Winboard. It isn't all that hard to do, I've just been too lazy. Maybe over Christmas.

regards,
--tom

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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by elcabesa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:04 pm

does it means that Vajolet is not similar to any other engine?
I'm really happy about that :)

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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by ThomasJMiller » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:57 pm

elcabesa wrote:does it means that Vajolet is not similar to any other engine?
I'm really happy about that :)
Santa said you'll receive a toy :D

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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by elcabesa » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:08 pm

it's has been the most beautiful toy I received, I used lot's of ideas code from stockfish and other open source engines and I alway worried about "being a clone".
Now I'm happy. My engine is not strong but it's not a clone too :)

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Re: TM Dendogram - Christmas 2013 Edition

Post by Adam Hair » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:32 pm

Tom Likens wrote:Hello Thomas,

Djinn is weak, but I know I haven't copied it--that said, I would be very curious who it is most similar to. Could you include it in the test, (latest public version is 0.992)?

thanks,
--tom
Djinn 0.925x was included in the similarity testing that I did a couple of years ago. Ed is hosting my report here. In the dendrograms at that link, distances greater than 0.44 are good.

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