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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by Daniel Anulliero » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:57 pm

Mr Sean Evans , can you write something interresting here , one time in your life ? :lol:

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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by Guenther » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:58 pm

Daniel Anulliero wrote:
Sean Evans wrote:http://en.chessbase.com/post/computer-c ... new-format

Another reason programs do not want to play is many programs are derivatives and know they will be caught like Rybka was caught cheating!

Speaking of derivatives is Andscacs participating in the tourney? If not, why not?!

Sean
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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by Graham Banks » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:00 pm

Sean Evans wrote:http://en.chessbase.com/post/computer-c ... new-format

Another reason programs do not want to play is many programs are derivatives and know they will be caught like Rybka was caught cheating!

Speaking of derivatives is Andscacs participating in the tourney? If not, why not?!

Sean
You should lay off criticising Andscacs.
Other engine authors have already told you to do so, yet you insist based on nothing but your imagination and liking for stirring up crap.
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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by Rebel » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:06 pm

jdart wrote:It sounds like a reasonable proposal, except in cases of >3 entrants I am not clear what their selection procedure would be.

--Jon
Indeed.

Another problem may arise when the winner doesn't want to play the next year.

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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by Henk » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:15 pm

Rebel wrote:
jdart wrote:It sounds like a reasonable proposal, except in cases of >3 entrants I am not clear what their selection procedure would be.

--Jon
Indeed.

Another problem may arise when the winner doesn't want to play the next year.
No problem by default Skipper will be World Champion. :) Unless they might think Skipper is a Stockfish clone.

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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by velmarin » Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:29 pm

We suppose that then the game will always be against the old champion.
The winning version of the previous year, not a remodeled version.
It seems a retrograde idea.

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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by mjlef » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:21 pm

I am sure David Levy is open for ideas.

This one has some good points and some bad:

First, play the World Chess Software Championship (where all entries complete on identical hardware). The winning X entries qualify for the World Computer Chess Championship which can use whatever hardware they want.

Good points: the WCSC is typically at a faster time control and happens on a weekend normally, reducing hotel expenses. And makes things a bit more like the Human Championship where they need to qualify from earlier matches. If WCSC was somehow done on the internet, it could be done pretty cheaply since only the qualifying entries need to travel.

The bad: it rules out special hardware (like Deep Blue)
It shortens the event. A nice things about these events is the exchange of ideas. People who travel from far away would not know how long to book the travel.

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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by Dirt » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:35 am

cdani wrote:
Sean Evans wrote:http://en.chessbase.com/post/computer-c ... new-format

Another reason programs do not want to play is many programs are derivatives and know they will be caught like Rybka was caught cheating!

Speaking of derivatives is Andscacs participating in the tourney? If not, why not?!

Sean
Again just your imagination.
Your comment makes no sense to me. Mind you, neither did the comment you responded to, but that's pretty normal for him.

I don't expect Andscacs to enter, but not because of any wrongdoing.
Deasil is the right way to go.

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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by jdart » Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:59 am

I know it's traditional for these to be on-premise events but in the modern world there are so many ways to connect people online. Were I to enter, I couldn't take big hardware to Europe, most likely, and would be connecting to something remote anyway. (I remember trying to bring 200 lbs of high-end computer equipment into Germany once, and the customs guy just looked at it and said "We take this." It took several days to get it back). So why do I have to take my body there?

--Jon

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Re: Important announcement: World Computer Chess Championshi

Post by lucasart » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:29 am

mjlef wrote:I am sure David Levy is open for ideas.
Is that a joke, or are you serious ?

He is an old donkey. No one can change his mind. He still thinks computer tournaments should be manually operated, today, in 2017. He obviously understands nothing about statistics either, give the "all play all" format of the tournament. Doesn't want to make it a fair competition, by forcing all engines to use the same hardware, same book, same TB.

Then he doesn't understand why no one joins his "world championship"…
Theory and practice sometimes clash. And when that happens, theory loses. Every single time.

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