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Re: Stockfish and Fischer

Post by fastgm » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:15 am

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:I would like to see the multi-pv, I can't believe the only move SF sees is Bd5.
[d]r4rk1/5ppp/pqbp1b2/1p2pP2/4P3/1BNQ4/PPP3PP/R4R1K w - - 0 16

16.Bd5 is by far the best move :)

Stockfish 180104 64 BMI2, 18 cores, multi-pv=3

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 46/60	45:57	 88.664.789k	32.150k	+0,75	16.Rfd1 b4 17.Nd5 Bxd5 18.Qxd5 a5 19.Qxd6 Qe3 20.Re1 Qf2 21.Qd3 Rfd8 22.Qc4 Qa7 23.Qe2 Qd4 24.Rab1 a4 25.Red1 Qc5 26.Rxd8+ Bxd8 27.Bc4 Bf6 28.Rc1 a3 29.bxa3 Rxa3 30.Re1 Ra8 31.g3 Rc8 32.Bb3 Rd8 33.Kg2 Qc3 34.Rd1 Rxd1 35.Qxd1 Qe3 36.Qf3 Qd2+ 37.Qf2 Qxf2+ 38.Kxf2 Kf8 39.Ke3 g6 40.Bd5 Kg7 41.Kd3 Be7 42.g4 Kf6 43.Kd2 Kg5 44.Bxf7 Kxg4 45.fxg6 hxg6
 46/55	45:57	 88.664.789k	32.150k	+0,82	16.Nd5 Bxd5 17.Bxd5 Ra7 18.a4 bxa4 19.Rfb1 Qd4 20.Qa3 a5 21.c3 Qe3 22.Qxa4 Bd8 23.Qa3 Qh6 24.Rf1 Qf6 25.Qb3 Ra6 26.Qc4 Ra7 27.Qc6 Qe7 28.Qb5 Kh8 29.g3 Bc7 30.Kg2 Rb8 31.Qe2 Bb6 32.Ra4 Rc7 33.Bc4 Qd7 34.Raa1 Qe7 35.Rfd1 Ra7 36.Ra4 Rc7 37.Qd3 Rd8 38.Qf3 Kg8 39.b3 Qf6 40.Rd5
 46/67	45:57	 88.664.789k	32.150k	+1,04	16.Bd5 Rac8 17.Bxc6 Rxc6 18.Rad1 Qc5 19.Rd2 Qc4 20.Qf3 Rfc8 21.Nd5 Qxa2 22.c3 a5 23.Qh5 Rxc3 24.Nxc3 Rxc3 25.Qd1 Rc8 26.b4 Qa3 27.bxa5 Qxa5 28.Rd5 h6 29.Rxd6 Rc5 30.Rd7 Qa8 31.Qd3 Qc6 32.Rd6 Qb7 33.g3 Rc4 34.Qd5 Qxd5 35.exd5 Rd4 36.Rb1 e4 37.Rd7 b4 38.d6 e3 39.Kg2 e2 40.Re1 Rd1
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Re: A blast from the past

Post by MikeGL » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:12 am

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:I am at least 3000 under quiet conditions.
Yes of course you are rated 3000, just like all of us here in forum with our strong chess engines running in front of us.
Where's you proof you are stronger than top engines? By showing us again your
Qf6+! brilliancy? You call it a LIVE GAME, when it was neither live nor a game.
Cannot be LIVE, because it was hand-crafted composition done OFFLINE.
Cannot be a GAME if it started from some random FEN position and
not from a start position.

That's why, just prove me wrong by posting the complete game from move 1 in a standard chess starting position, not random FEN that's composed offline.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:respect 3000
Rediculous. You are stronger than stockfish as what you claimed so you must be around 3600,
don't you think? Yes 3600, with INFINITE analysis of SF engine running in front.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Each and every chess engine sees the first game, don't be stup*d: it is mate in 5 or 6.
Care to provide the full PV and mate announcement? Clear hash first before clicking analyze, because I know your dirty tricks of modifying something in engine output.
I checked with all top 5 engines, none can play Qf6+ of Asauskas in 10 hours.
You modified that Asauskas test position, right? Then claim you are brilliant and stronger than all engines on planet.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: so guess who discovered and popularised it.
Your ebook was published 2017, the combination of Asauskas posted in previous page was
done more than 17 years ago. You claim to discover it, lol? The truth is you discovered it from Asauskas.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Concerning my game, I am very busy now, you have the link to the thread and are the interested party: why don't you strip the pgn yourself?
I saw the PGN there, but it started from a hand crafted FEN composition and NOT from a
starting position of a chess game with 1.e4 or 1.d4 or whatever from 20 possible first move in a starting position.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:accusing me of lying
Easy to rebut if you can post the
complete PGN game, or post the name of engines which can solve the Asauskas Qf6+!
position that you have heavily modified.

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Re: Stockfish and Fischer

Post by beram » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:01 pm

Also on my slower system Ryzen 1800 with 15threads and 8Gb Hash Stockfish finds Bg4!

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82: New game
r3r1k1/pp1q1p2/2p2npb/PPPp1bnp/3PpN2/2N1P1PP/1R1B1PBK/3Q1R2 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Stockfish 020118 64 POPCNT:

19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Rf1-g1 a7-a6 24.Qf3-g3 Kg8-g7 25.Qg3-h4 Ra8-d8 26.Nc3-e2 Nf6-e4 27.Ne2-g3 Ne4xg3 28.Qh4xg3 Qd7-e6 29.Bd2-b4 Qe6-f6 30.Qg3-g2 
  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 18/30   00:00:01  14795kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.b5xc6 b7xc6 23.Qd1xf3 Ra8-b8 24.Rb2xb8 Re8xb8 25.Rf1-a1 Rb8-b3 26.Qf3-g2 Qd7-e6 27.a5-a6 Kg8-g7 28.Qg2-f1 Rb3-b2 29.Ra1-a2 Rb2xa2 30.Nc3xa2 Nf6-e4 31.Bd2-b4 
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 19/30   00:00:01  18047kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.b5xc6 b7xc6 23.Qd1xf3 Ra8-b8 24.Rb2xb8 Re8xb8 25.Rf1-a1 Rb8-b2 26.Ra1-a2 Rb2-b3 27.Qf3-g2 Qd7-e6 28.a5-a6 Nf6-e4 29.Nc3xe4 Bf5xe4 30.f2-f3 Be4-d3 31.Bd2-c1 Rb3-b1 
  =  (-0.04)   Depth: 20/30   00:00:01  19327kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.b5xc6 b7xc6 23.Qd1xf3 Ra8-b8 24.Rb2xb8 Re8xb8 25.Rf1-a1 Qd7-e6 26.Qf3-g2 Rb8-b2 27.Ra1-a2 Rb2-b3 28.Ra2-a1 Kg8-g7 29.a5-a6 h5-h4 30.Ra1-a2 Rb3-b8 31.Qg2-f1 Nf6-h5 32.Ra2-a1 Rb8-b3 33.Ra1-a2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 21/30   00:00:01  20128kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.b5xc6 b7xc6 23.Qd1xf3 Ra8-b8 24.Rb2xb8 Re8xb8 25.Rf1-a1 Qd7-e6 26.Qf3-g2 Rb8-b2 27.Ra1-a2 Rb2-b3 28.Ra2-a1 Kg8-g7 29.Ra1-a2 Kg7-g8 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 22/31   00:00:01  23998kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.Bf3-g2 Bf4-c7 22.a5-a6 b7xa6 23.b5xc6 Qd7xc6 24.Nc3-e2 a6-a5 25.Rb2-a2 Qc6-b5 26.Ne2-c3 Qb5-c6 27.Nc3-e2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 23/33   00:00:02  28626kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.b5xc6 b7xc6 23.Qd1xf3 Ra8-b8 24.Rb2xb8 Re8xb8 25.Rf1-a1 Qd7-e6 26.Qf3-g2 Rb8-b2 27.Ra1-a2 Rb2-b3 28.Ra2-a1 Kg8-g7 29.Ra1-a2 Kg7-g8 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 24/33   00:00:02  34124kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Qf3-g2 a7-a6 24.Rf1-e1 h5-h4 25.Nc3-d1 Kg8-g7 26.Bd2-b4 Qd7-e6 27.Nd1-c3 Ra8-d8 28.Re1-g1 Nf6-e4 29.Nc3-b1 Re8-h8 30.Qg2-f3 f7-f6 31.Nb1-d2 Ne4xd2 32.Rb2xd2 Qe6-e4 33.Qf3-d1 
  =  (-0.13)   Depth: 25/37   00:00:04  59830kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Qf3-g2 a7-a6 24.Nc3-a2 Re8-e6 25.Bd2-b4 Kg8-g7 26.Na2-c3 Ra8-h8 27.Rf1-e1 Bf5-e4 28.f2-f3 Be4-f5 29.Rb2-e2 Rh8-e8 30.Nc3-d1 h5-h4 31.Qg2-g5 Qd7-d8 32.Nd1-f2 Nf6-h5 33.Qg5xd8 Re8xd8 34.Re2-b2 Nh5-f6 
  =  (-0.11)   Depth: 26/36   00:00:04  69987kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 
  =  (-0.04 --)   Depth: 27/38   00:00:05  91368kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Qf3-g2 a7-a6 24.Nc3-a2 Kg8-g7 25.Na2-b4 h5-h4 26.Rf1-c1 Ra8-c8 27.Bd2-e1 Qd7-d8 28.Be1-d2 Nf6-e4 29.Bd2-e1 Re8-h8 30.Rb2-c2 Ne4-f6 31.Rc2-e2 Nf6-e4 32.Re2-c2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 27/38   00:00:06  95916kN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Qf3-g2 a7-a6 24.Nc3-a2 Kg8-g7 25.Na2-b4 h5-h4 26.Rf1-c1 Ra8-c8 27.Bd2-e1 Qd7-d8 28.Be1-d2 Nf6-e4 29.Bd2-e1 Re8-h8 30.Rb2-c2 Ne4-f6 31.Rc2-e2 Nf6-e4 32.Re2-c2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 28/27   00:00:07  117mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Qf3-g2 a7-a6 24.Nc3-a2 Kg8-g7 25.Na2-b4 h5-h4 26.Rf1-c1 Ra8-c8 27.f2-f3 Nf6-h5 28.c5-c6 Qd7-d6 29.c6xb7 Rc8xc1 30.Bd2xc1 Qd6-c7 31.Nb4xa6 Qc7xc1 32.Qg2-d2 Qc1-f1 33.Qd2-g2 Qf1-c1 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 29/43   00:00:08  135mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Qf3-g2 a7-a6 24.Nc3-a2 Kg8-g7 25.Na2-b4 h5-h4 26.Rf1-c1 Ra8-c8 27.Rb2-b3 Nf6-e4 28.Bd2-e1 Re8-h8 29.c5-c6 Qd7-e7 30.Rb3-b2 Ne4-f6 31.Rb2-b3 Nf6-e4 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 30/39   00:00:11  175mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 
  =  (-0.07 ++)   Depth: 31/39   00:00:11  176mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-g3 a7-a6 25.f2-f3 Be4-f5 26.Qg3-h4 Kg8-g7 27.Na2-b4 Re8-e6 28.Rf1-g1 Nf6-g8 29.Qh4xh5 Ng8-e7 30.Qh5-g5 Ra8-h8 31.h3-h4 Ne7-c6 32.Nb4xc6 b7xc6 33.Rb2-b3 Re6-e8 34.Bd2-b4 Bf5-c2 35.Rb3-c3 Bc2-f5 36.Rc3-b3 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 31/45   00:00:16  263mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-g3 a7-a6 25.f2-f3 Be4-f5 26.Qg3-h4 Kg8-g7 27.Na2-b4 Re8-e6 28.Rf1-g1 Nf6-g8 29.Qh4xh5 Ng8-e7 30.Qh5-g5 Ra8-h8 31.h3-h4 Ne7-c6 32.Nb4xc6 b7xc6 33.Rb2-b3 Re6-e8 34.Bd2-b4 Bf5-c2 35.Rb3-c3 Bc2-f5 36.Rc3-b3 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 32/35   00:00:20  322mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-g3 h5-h4 25.Qg3-g5 Be4-d3 26.Rf1-g1 Kg8-g7 27.Na2-b4 Bd3-f5 28.Qg5-g2 a7-a6 29.Rg1-c1 Ra8-c8 30.Rb2-b3 Nf6-e4 31.Bd2-e1 Re8-h8 32.c5-c6 Qd7-e7 33.Rb3-b2 Ne4-f6 34.Rb2-b3 Nf6-e4 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 33/32   00:00:23  374mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-g3 h5-h4 25.Qg3-g5 Be4-d3 26.Rf1-g1 Kg8-g7 27.Na2-b4 Bd3-f5 28.Qg5-g2 a7-a6 29.Rg1-c1 Ra8-c8 30.Rb2-b3 Nf6-e4 31.Bd2-e1 Re8-h8 32.c5-c6 Qd7-e7 33.Rb3-b2 Ne4-f6 34.Rb2-b3 Nf6-e4 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 34/42   00:00:29  484mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-g3 h5-h4 25.Qg3-g5 Be4-d3 26.Rf1-g1 Kg8-g7 27.Na2-b4 Bd3-f5 28.Qg5-g2 a7-a6 29.Rg1-c1 Ra8-c8 30.Rb2-b3 Nf6-e4 31.Bd2-e1 Re8-h8 32.c5-c6 Qd7-e7 33.Rb3-b2 Ne4-f6 34.Rb2-b3 Nf6-e4 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 35/32   00:00:42  693mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 36/51   00:00:47  773mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 37/23   00:00:59  963mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 38/23   00:01:06  1085mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 39/23   00:01:28  1444mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 40/23   00:01:58  1930mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 41/23   00:02:31  2485mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 42/23   00:03:23  3340mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 43/23   00:04:11  4148mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 44/64   00:06:15  6195mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 45/23   00:07:47  7750mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 24.Qf3-e2 a7-a6 25.Na2-b4 Be4-f5 26.Qe2-f3 Kg8-g7 27.Qf3-g2 Re8-h8 28.Rf1-c1 Nf6-g4+ 29.Kh2-g1 Ng4-f6 30.Kg1-h2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 46/23   00:11:30  11529mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 
  =  (-0.07 ++)   Depth: 47/57   00:21:38  21784mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Rf1-c1 a7-a6 24.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 25.Qf3-e2 Nf6-g4+ 26.Kh2-g1 Ng4-h6 27.Kg1-h2 Be4-f5 28.Qe2-f1 Kg8-g7 29.Qf1-g2 Bf5-d3 30.Na2-b4 Bd3-c4 31.Rc1xc4 d5xc4 32.d4-d5 Ra8-c8 33.c5-c6 b7xc6 34.d5xc6 Qd7-e6 35.Bd2-c3+ Kg7-f8 36.Rb2-d2 Nh6-f5 37.Rd2-d7 Nf5-h4 38.Qg2-h1 g6-g5 39.Nb4-d5 Rc8xc6 40.Nd5-f6 Rc6-d6 41.Rd7xd6 Qe6xd6 42.Nf6-h7+ Kf8-g8 43.Nh7-f6+ Kg8-f8 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 47/69   00:38:05  38369mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Rf1-c1 a7-a6 24.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 25.Qf3-e2 Nf6-g4+ 26.Kh2-g1 Ng4-h6 27.Kg1-h2 Kg8-g7 28.f2-f3 Be4-f5 29.Qe2-g2 Bf5-d3 30.Na2-b4 Bd3-c4 31.e3-e4 Kg7-h7 32.Rc1xc4 d5xc4 33.Nb4-d5 Qd7-d8 34.Bd2-c3 Ra8-b8 35.Nd5-b6 Qd8-c7 36.Nb6-d5 Qc7-d8 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 48/58   00:38:38  38933mN
19...Ng5-f3+ 20.Bg2xf3 Bh6xf4 21.g3xf4 e4xf3 22.Qd1xf3 c6xb5 23.Rf1-c1 a7-a6 24.Nc3-a2 Bf5-e4 25.Qf3-e2 Nf6-g4+ 26.Kh2-g1 Ng4-h6 27.Kg1-h2 Be4-f5 28.Qe2-f3 Bf5-e4 29.Qf3-e2 
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 49/21   00:46:07  46595mN
19...Bf5-g4 
  =  (-0.07 ++)   Depth: 50/32   01:42:13  104620mN
19...Bf5-g4 
  =  (-0.15 ++)   Depth: 50/57   02:07:11  130517mN
19...Bf5-g4 
  =  (-0.26 ++)   Depth: 50/57   02:39:35  164121mN
19...Bf5-g4 
  =/+  (-0.42 ++)   Depth: 50/78   03:02:23  187604mN
19...Bf5-g4 20.Qd1-b1 Ng5-f3+ 21.Bg2xf3 Bg4xf3 22.Nf4-g2 a7-a6 23.b5xc6 b7xc6 24.Ng2-h4 Nf6-h7 25.Nh4xf3 e4xf3 26.Rf1-h1 Bh6-g7 27.Rb2-b7 Qd7-c8 28.Rb7-b6 Bg7-f6 29.h3-h4 Bf6-d8 30.e3-e4 d5xe4 31.Nc3xe4 Bd8-c7 32.Rh1-f1 Qc8-d8 33.Ne4-d6 Bc7xd6 34.c5xd6 Qd8xd6 35.Qb1-b3 Qd6xd4 36.Bd2-c3 Qd4-d5 37.Qb3xd5 c6xd5 38.Rf1-d1 Re8-e2 39.Kh2-g1 Re2-c2 40.Bc3-e5 Nh7-f8 41.Rd1xd5 Rc2-c1+ 42.Kg1-h2 Rc1-f1 43.Rb6-b3 Rf1xf2+ 44.Kh2-g1 Rf2-e2 45.Rb3xf3 Ra8-c8 46.Rf3-f2 Rc8-c2 47.Rf2xe2 Rc2xe2 48.Kg1-f1 Re2-a2 49.Be5-c3 Nf8-e6 
  =/+  (-0.51)   Depth: 50/78   03:49:39  236644mN
19...Bf5-g4 
  =/+  (-0.58 ++)   Depth: 51/24   04:19:48  267999mN

(Bram,  06.01.2018)

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Re: A blast from the past

Post by Adam Hair » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:54 pm

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
I am at least 3000 under quiet conditions.
And ALL the most advanced chess theory is due to me: https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-secret-of-chess

Which, next to your 2200 or so chess.com rating is hilarious.
I guess 2200 players should respect 3000 ones more, but maybe your family did not teach you that. It's not my fault.
These statements are not worthy of respect.
Everybody, but everybody aside you on this forum knows I am the world's best chess theoretician.
If this was true, there would be no need to make the statement.

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Re: Human versus Machine

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:01 pm

Here one review for 'Human versus Machine': https://www.expert-chess-strategies.com ... chine.html

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Re: Stockfish and Fischer

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:04 pm

And here my latest puzzle for you from Fischer's positional suite:

[d]3r1rk1/1p1n1ppp/pNbpp3/8/2P1P3/5P2/PPB3PP/2RR2K1 w - - 0 19

White to play and win, single winning move.
This is from Fischer-Rossetto, Mar del Plata 1959.

Anyone able to find it?

Engines are reputed to be very good in the endgame, due to diminishing number of lines.
Do the 64/16 cores see it?

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Re: A blast from the past

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:09 pm

Adam Hair wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
I am at least 3000 under quiet conditions.
And ALL the most advanced chess theory is due to me: https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-secret-of-chess

Which, next to your 2200 or so chess.com rating is hilarious.
I guess 2200 players should respect 3000 ones more, but maybe your family did not teach you that. It's not my fault.
These statements are not worthy of respect.
Everybody, but everybody aside you on this forum knows I am the world's best chess theoretician.
If this was true, there would be no need to make the statement.
Adam, are you reading the whole thread, his posts, or just mine?
He accused me of:

- lying 5 times
- copying a pattern/game to suit my needs
- being weak player

Which claims are more outrageous, according to you?

I can in full faith tell you: "You are a 5-time lier".
Are you happy now?

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Re: A blast from the past

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:11 pm

Guenther wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Everybody, but everybody aside you on this forum knows I am the world's best chess theoretician.

Later

PS. and, accusing me of lying is a BIG disgrace and offence, obviously.
Hilarious - wrong medication obviously...
Still, ChessBase published an article on ME, and not on YOU.

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Re: A blast from the past

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:20 pm

MikeGL wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:I am at least 3000 under quiet conditions.
Yes of course you are rated 3000, just like all of us here in forum with our strong chess engines running in front of us.
Where's you proof you are stronger than top engines? By showing us again your
Qf6+! brilliancy? You call it a LIVE GAME, when it was neither live nor a game.
Cannot be LIVE, because it was hand-crafted composition done OFFLINE.
Cannot be a GAME if it started from some random FEN position and
not from a start position.

That's why, just prove me wrong by posting the complete game from move 1 in a standard chess starting position, not random FEN that's composed offline.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:respect 3000
Rediculous. You are stronger than stockfish as what you claimed so you must be around 3600,
don't you think? Yes 3600, with INFINITE analysis of SF engine running in front.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Each and every chess engine sees the first game, don't be stup*d: it is mate in 5 or 6.
Care to provide the full PV and mate announcement? Clear hash first before clicking analyze, because I know your dirty tricks of modifying something in engine output.
I checked with all top 5 engines, none can play Qf6+ of Asauskas in 10 hours.
You modified that Asauskas test position, right? Then claim you are brilliant and stronger than all engines on planet.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: so guess who discovered and popularised it.
Your ebook was published 2017, the combination of Asauskas posted in previous page was
done more than 17 years ago. You claim to discover it, lol? The truth is you discovered it from Asauskas.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Concerning my game, I am very busy now, you have the link to the thread and are the interested party: why don't you strip the pgn yourself?
I saw the PGN there, but it started from a hand crafted FEN composition and NOT from a
starting position of a chess game with 1.e4 or 1.d4 or whatever from 20 possible first move in a starting position.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:accusing me of lying
Easy to rebut if you can post the
complete PGN game, or post the name of engines which can solve the Asauskas Qf6+!
position that you have heavily modified.
Take note:

[pgn][PlyCount "95"]
[MLNrOfMoves "47"]
[MLFlags "000100"]
[Event "Blitz 5m+3s"]
[Site "Sofia"]
[Date "2015.02.06"]
[White "Tsvetkov, Lyudmil"]
[Black "Stockfish 6 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
[Annotator "Tsvetkov,Lyudmil"]

{512MB, Dell XPS 4Cores} 1. f4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 1... Nf6 {[%emt 0:00:16]} 2.
Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 2... e6 {[%emt 0:00:01]} 3. d4 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 3... d5
{[%emt 0:00:09]} 4. e3 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 4... c5 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 5. c3
{[%emt 0:00:02]} 5... Be7 {[%emt 0: 00:18]} 6. Bd3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 6... O-O
{[%emt 0:00:31]} 7. O-O {[%emt 0:00:02]} 7... c4 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 8. Bc2
{[%emt 0:00:02]} 8... b5 {[%emt 0:00:12]} 9. a3 {[%emt 0:00: 04]} 9... Bb7
{[%emt 0:00:08]} 10. Ne5 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 10... a5 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 11. Nd2
{[%emt 0:00:04]} 11... a4 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 12. Qf3 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 12... Nc6
{[%emt 0:00: 09]} 13. g4 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 13... g6 {[%emt 0:00:19]} 14. g5
{[%emt 0:00:02]} 14... Nxe5 {[%emt 0:00:07]} 15. dxe5 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 15... Nd7
{[%emt 0:00:00]} 16. Qg4 {[%emt 0:00:10]} 16... Nc5 {[%emt 0:00:13]} 17. Nf3
{[%emt 0:00:04]} 17... Qb6 {[%emt 0:00:39]} 18. Nd4 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 18... Ne4
{[%emt 0:00:13]} 19. Rf3 {[%emt 0:00:24]} 19... Bc6 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 20. Rh3
{[%emt 0:00:06]} 20... Rfc8 {[%emt 0:00:24]} 21. Qe2 {[%emt 0:00:14]} 21... Qd8
{[%emt 0:00:08]} 22. Bd2 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 22... Qf8 {[%emt 0:00:21]} 23. Kh1
{[%emt 0:00:24]} 23... Nc5 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 24. Rg1 {[%emt 0:00:28]} 24... Ne4
{[%emt 0:00:34]} 25. Rg4 {[%emt 0:01:19]} 25... Qg7 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 26. Be1
{[%emt 0: 00:42]} 26... Qh8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 27. Rgh4 {[%emt 0:00:26]} 27... Bd7
{[%emt 0:00:00]} 28. Bd1 {[%emt 0:00:19]} 28... Rd8 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 29. Qg2
{[%emt 0:00:11]} 29... Rac8 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 30. Rh6 {[%emt 0:00:09]} 30... Bf8
{[%emt 0:00:07]} 31. R6h4 {[%emt 0:00: 02]} 31... Be7 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 32. Kg1
{[%emt 0:00:10]} 32... Nc5 {[%emt 0:00:23]} 33. Bc2 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 33... Rb8
{[%emt 0:00:10]} 34. Bd2 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 34... h5 {[%emt 0:00: 05]} 35. Bd1
{[%emt 0:00:02]} 35... Qg7 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 36. Bxh5 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 36... b4
{[%emt 0:00:03]} 37. axb4 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 37... Nd3 {[%emt 0:00:08]} 38. Be2
{[%emt 0:00:05]} 38... a3 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 39. bxa3 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 39... Bc5
{[%emt 0:00:01]} 40. Rh6 {[%emt 0:00:05]} 40... Bxd4 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 41. exd4
{[%emt 0:00:01]} 41... Ra8 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 42. Qg4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} 42... Rxa3
{[%emt 0:00:03]} 43. Qh4 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 43... Kf8 {[%emt 0:00:03]} 44. Rh7
{[%emt 0:00:04]} 44... Qg8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 45. Rh8 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 45... Ke7
{[%emt 0:00:04]} 46. Rxg8 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 46... Rxg8 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 47. Qh7
{[%emt 0:00:02]} 47... Rf8 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 48. Bxd3 {[%emt 0:00:02]} 1-0
[/pgn]

Who is playing with f7 twice backward shelter pawn?
Who is winning?

This is from 'Human versus Machine', there are 15 or so games with this pattern in the 3 volumes, so this is MY trademark.

Asauskas played a single chance game, that is it.

His position is mate in 5, my mate in 25.

25=5, right, great mathematician.

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Re: A blast from the past

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:29 pm

[d]r2q1r2/1b2bpkp/p3p1p1/2ppP1P1/7R/1PN1BQR1/1PP2P1P/4K3 w - - 0 1

Test position: really 64 cores don't see the mate in a reasonable time?

In my position they don't see it, that is for certain.

One way or another, this is mate in 7 or 8, with all stupid sacs counted in.
Mine is mate in 25.

If Asauskas knew something about the pattern, he would have written on it, right?
The fact is, only I wrote a book, describing the pattern.

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