Jeroen wrote:As they only mention the WCCC as being the right tournament to evaluate the rankings in the chess computer world, the problem is already solved: Rybka is the 2007 champion
Only because Junior and Fritz were not there
Richard.
Maybe Junior but you can't honestly mean Fritz as well...can you?
Based on what we know Loop is better than Fritz let alone Rybka.
For what it's worth I think that Rybka would beat Junior more often than not in such small snapshots of games as we have in the WCCC.
It does do that elsewhere in most other tournaments so I'm only assuming the obvious.
bedouin wrote:The guys who program Fritz and Junior gave a press conference at http://globalchess.eu/main.php?id=65 They appear to know about chess and openings but don't consider rybka as the best.
Let's put it this way. If they can't humble themselves to admit that Rybka is the strongest engine at present, they must be seriously deluded. They'd certainly get laughed out of here!
I know all about marketing, half-truths and out right lies. Im like Graham here- not the least bit interested in the status or official title of who said what, when. The only point i am making is one that everyone short of the mentally imbalanced will admit: Any programmer (or anyone else for that matter) who WERE to state that Rybka was not the strongest program had better wake up and smell what he is shoveling.
bedouin wrote:The guys who program Fritz and Junior gave a press conference at http://globalchess.eu/main.php?id=65 They appear to know about chess and openings but don't consider rybka as the best.
Let's put it this way. If they can't humble themselves to admit that Rybka is the strongest engine at present, they must be seriously deluded. They'd certainly get laughed out of here!
I know all about marketing, half-truths and out right lies. Im like Graham here- not the least bit interested in the status or official title of who said what, when. The only point i am making is one that everyone short of the mentally imbalanced will admit: Any programmer (or anyone else for that matter) who WERE to state that Rybka was not the strongest program had better wake up and smell what he is shoveling.
Digging regards,
But as Uri says they do not say Rybka is not the best and that Press Release was not written for CCC it was written for 'real' people
Harvey Williamson wrote:But as Uri says they do not say Rybka is not the best and that Press Release was not written for CCC it was written for 'real' people
It's always been easy to brainwash the ill-informed.
Q: What is your reaction to the letter from the creator of Rybka, who is challenging the winner of this match?
Shai Bushinsky: This open letter was distributed a day before we went to Elista. It is difficult to understand the timing and the content of the letter. Junior and Rybka participated in the World Championship in Turin, and the results are well known. I cannot recall a precedent from the history of chess, in which one top player gambled with another one in a winner-takes-all match. If there was a serious sponsor, then we could consider playing such match. However, no sponsor is mentioned in the letter. Also, the letter is addressed to Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, who has many excellent qualities but has never written a chess engine, as far as I know. It is very strange that the letter is addressed to him.
A.K.: Rybka is not a reigning World Champion, and Junior is. There was a similar situation when Bobby Fischer considered himself a champion, but did not want to play in a qualification. Maybe Rybka is the strongest program in the world, however it has to win the championship to prove it.
Q: Do you consider Rybka being among, let’s say, top three or top five chess engines?
S.B., A.B.: Yes. Rybka shared the 2nd-3rd places in the World Championship in 2006.
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Harvey Williamson wrote:But as Uri says they do not say Rybka is not the best and that Press Release was not written for CCC it was written for 'real' people
It's always been easy to lie to and brainwash the ill-informed.
Q: What is your reaction to the letter from the creator of Rybka, who is challenging the winner of this match?
Shai Bushinsky: This open letter was distributed a day before we went to Elista. It is difficult to understand the timing and the content of the letter. Junior and Rybka participated in the World Championship in Turin, and the results are well known. I cannot recall a precedent from the history of chess, in which one top player gambled with another one in a winner-takes-all match. If there was a serious sponsor, then we could consider playing such match. However, no sponsor is mentioned in the letter. Also, the letter is addressed to Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, who has many excellent qualities but has never written a chess engine, as far as I know. It is very strange that the letter is addressed to him.
A.K.: Rybka is not a reigning World Champion, and Junior is. There was a similar situation when Bobby Fischer considered himself a champion, but did not want to play in a qualification. Maybe Rybka is the strongest program in the world, however it has to win the championship to prove it.
Q: Do you consider Rybka being among, let’s say, top three or top five chess engines?
S.B., A.B.: Yes. Rybka shared the 2nd-3rd places in the World Championship in 2006.
There is nothing that is incorrect in what they say you cant blame them for a press release written before Rybka won WCCC. Do AMD now say in all their press releases 'Intel is better'
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Harvey Williamson wrote:There is nothing that is incorrect in what they say you cant blame them for a press release written before Rybka won WCCC. Do AMD now say in all there press releases 'Intel is better'
Everybody knows that Rybka is top dog by a long stretch.
You can skirt around the truth with convenient snippets of information to suggest otherwise, but not to be prepared to admit Rybka is number one smacks of a lack of honesty and principles.
Harvey Williamson wrote:There is nothing that is incorrect in what they say you cant blame them for a press release written before Rybka won WCCC. Do AMD now say in all there press releases 'Intel is better'
Everybody knows that Rybka is top dog by a long stretch.
You can skirt around the truth with convenient snippets of information to suggest otherwise, but not to be prepared to admit Rybka is number one smacks of a lack of honesty and principles.
can you name any major company, fighting to be number 1, that admits they are not number 1?
What do you mean by nimber 1? In sales its nowhere near number 1.
The main point is of course 'everybody' does not know a very small minority know.
Harvey Williamson wrote:can you name any major company, fighting to be number 1, that admits they are not number 1?
What do you mean by nimber 1? In sales its nowhere near number 1.
You make a good point Harvey, but I'd certainly hope you're not suggesting it's the right thing to do.
Credibilty is an important thing for individuals to be seen to have.
Harvey Williamson wrote:can you name any major company, fighting to be number 1, that admits they are not number 1?
What do you mean by nimber 1? In sales its nowhere near number 1.
You make a good point Harvey, but I'd certainly hope you're not suggesting it's the right thing to do.
Credibilty is an important thing for individuals to be seen to have.
Regards, Graham.[/quote
I think sometimes people, here, think the normal rules of marketing and sales and press releases do not apply to Chess programs for some reason.
Harvey Williamson wrote:
I think sometimes people, here, think the normal rules of marketing and sales and press releases do not apply to Chess programs for some reason.
Perhaps, but it would be nice to think that some of the engine authors also valued principles such as integrity, honesty and credibilty.
