i wonder if we could make the match more interesting ...
i have a theory that Gm's of Benjamins strength and experience with chess engines can still play close to even with the White pieces but no longer as Black
so i am proposing the following for which i would add to the prize fund a Guaranteed appearance fee to GM Benjamin of $1500 (all other monetary conditions would remain the same)
The GM plays White 4 games against a fully loaded Rybka with full Noomen book and full table bases
with the Black pieces the GM receives DRAW ODDS(meaning that a draw is scored as a win for black)
book limited to 5 moves..full table bases
if the GM will not agree to that then another possibility is for the GM
as Black to receive pawns odds(and therefore no book ) table bases allowed
the pawn to be removed is randomly chosen at the start of each game by the drawing of lots(sealed letters a-h)
each successive pawns odds game will be chosen from the remaining pawns so as not to repeat the same pawn being removed
in my opinion these two alternatives would be far more interesting then the present match conditions
ALL other match terms and conditions as already stated would hold
as the match now stands Joel could go home with NOTHING(if he were not to score any points) and would only walk away with the $150 Train fare
certainly a GM of Benjamin's Stature is deserving of something better then that
under my proposal he receives a Guaranteed appearance fee of $1500(which is only $700 less then the MAXIMUM he could win as it stands now)and he still has the chance to win the $2200
of course these two proposals are not straight up ..mano y mano contests with no odds
but i fear that the GM would not even consider to play on even terms and i doubt he could win such a match(although he could probably score some points)
i think the "draw odds" proposal is not so onerous and it does not alter the normal play of the game in any way as does material odds
hopefully he would agree to DRAW odds and not pawn odds with the black pieces
i would send the money by Paypal to Kaufman or the Rybka Paypal site(to be turned over to Kaufman) immediately as soon as i am contacted by either Kaufman or Rajlich so that they had the money in their hands well in advance of even mentioning the proposal to the GM
if he agrees the money is paid upon his appearance at Kaufmans home on the scheduled start day of the match..if he does not the money is returned to me
Best Regards
Steve
Hi Steve,
I hope they seriously consider your offer. I would find the match to be very interesting under such conditions, especially the draw odds. It also seems like a win win proposition for GM Benjamin.
while GM Benjamin would only get an extra $200 for "Winning " the match.. i think it would compel him to try to go all out to win as white(against a fully loaded Rybka) and perhaps provide us with some very exciting games,while knowing that a draw as black will give him a full point and of course there is the incentive to win as White ($200 per win) as well
the result i think would be a more meaningful contest using the standard starting position and no unusual game play or tactics from the starting position in order to take advantage of this missing pawn or that missing pawn
in addition it might tell us something about whether GM's of Benjamin's strength and experience with chess computers can still play on an even level as white and perhaps what is necessary for them to stay even as black
this is far more informative then say..a GM can win with a missing F pawn or a missing B pawn which to be honest is not very interesting to learn even if it is true
You forgot the extra bonus prizes - a Novag Citrine and a year subscription to Selective Search
As for the pawn odds, the solution is remarkably simple: Rybka begins each game with 9 pawns, and gives odds of one pawn so as to start with 8
So there you go Regards
OK
i will toss in a years subscription to Selective Search Magazine to the WINNER of the match!
Team Rybka never wins anything as they rack up win after win(except publicity i guess) so here..if Rybka wins the match(Draws as Black counting as Wins for the GM) then they get a year's Subscription to the PREMIERE CHESS COMPUTER Magazine in the world today(published continuously since 1985)
while GM Benjamin would only get an extra $200 for "Winning " the match.. i think it would compel him to try to go all out to win as white(against a fully loaded Rybka) and perhaps provide us with some very exciting games,while knowing that a draw as black will give him a full point and of course there is the incentive to win as White ($200 per win) as well
the result i think would be a more meaningful contest using the standard starting position and no unusual game play or tactics from the starting position in order to take advantage of this missing pawn or that missing pawn
in addition it might tell us something about whether GM's of Benjamin's strength and experience with chess computers can still play on an even level as white and perhaps what is necessary for them to stay even as black
this is far more informative then say..a GM can win with a missing F pawn or a missing B pawn which to be honest is not very interesting to learn even if it is true
IMHO Regards
Steve
it should also be remembered that a few months after Rybka was first released GM Morovic played a 2 game match against Rybka with NO ODDS what so ever in Chile organized by our own Fernando Villegas which was attended by the media
the result was a draw and a loss for the GM
so perhaps games can still be played without material odds?
When (oops I mean *if*) Rybka wins, a Citrine is the logical prize. It can be interfaced with Rybka and her human sacrifices (oops I mean *opponents*) can enjoy real Novag Holz in future massacres (oops I mean *matches*).
klute wrote:When (oops I mean *if*) Rybka wins, a Citrine is the logical prize. It can be interfaced with Rybka and her human sacrifices (oops I mean *opponents*) can enjoy real Novag Holz in future massacres (oops I mean *matches*).
Rybka can't read regards
Cameron
with "Draw" odds i predict the following match score..
klute wrote:When (oops I mean *if*) Rybka wins, a Citrine is the logical prize. It can be interfaced with Rybka and her human sacrifices (oops I mean *opponents*) can enjoy real Novag Holz in future massacres (oops I mean *matches*).
Rybka can't read regards
Cameron
Actually I would not wish to predict the result of this match. If I were a betting man, though, I would put my money on Benjamin. I wonder whether he would like a Lexibook to while-away the time on that $150 train journey?
klute wrote:When (oops I mean *if*) Rybka wins, a Citrine is the logical prize. It can be interfaced with Rybka and her human sacrifices (oops I mean *opponents*) can enjoy real Novag Holz in future massacres (oops I mean *matches*).
Rybka can't read regards
Cameron
Actually I would not wish to predict the result of this match. If I were a betting man, though, I would put my money on Benjamin. I wonder whether he would like a Lexibook to while-away the time on that $150 train journey?
5-Star Celebrity Treatment Regards
Jonathan
sadly all of this conjecture is all for nought
like Rajlichs "OPEN "letter to FIDE ..my offer to Rajlich has fallen on deaf ears
so alas and alack..it seems we will be treated to another of these pawn odds spectacles
no matter..i will save the $1500 for my Nephew..sooner or later it will come in handy to help him make Bail one day
