pichy wrote:Can Rybka beat Aronian or Anand at this time control ?
In FRC? Easily. Unlike normal chess, I think Rybka could give draw odds and still be a heavy favorite. The novel positions will hurt the GMs more than Rybka.
Agreed.Question is if it can beat any of these GM's with only rook pawn odd.
My chess enthusiast friend, Anand would even take Rybka apart in a game of 25 minutes per side in normal chess without any odd. Just because Rybka performance against other chess programs has been excellent, it has never played the best blitz human player in the world.
My patzer friend,Whatever,but that's your opinion
PS: I also wish to the Rybka team luck against Joel Benjamin playing vs Rybka with a pawn odd, since Rybka is considered to be much stronger than Deeper Blue and Joel had an excellent 2-0 record against Deep Blue; and Benjamin was one of the key GM in tunning Deeper Blue versus Kasparov. Anyway in my opinion Anand is a much better player than Joel at any given time control and should score better than against Rybka
Whatever,Jorge but you slightly underestimate the strength of Rybka, Hydra did crush Adams by 5.5-0.5,Adams is almost equal to Anand and without the pawn odd there is a good chance that Rybka would defeat Anand and with the pawn odd,the game would be interesting and i bet the score would be equal.
and by the way,Even Fritz which is 300 elo lesser than Rybka can defeat Kramnik in normal chess.
Fully agree with professor Swami
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
pichy wrote:Can Rybka beat Aronian or Anand at this time control ?
In FRC? Easily. Unlike normal chess, I think Rybka could give draw odds and still be a heavy favorite. The novel positions will hurt the GMs more than Rybka.
Agreed.Question is if it can beat any of these GM's with only rook pawn odd.
My chess enthusiast friend, Anand would even take Rybka apart in a game of 25 minutes per side in normal chess without any odd. Just because Rybka performance against other chess programs has been excellent, it has never played the best blitz human player in the world.
My patzer friend,Whatever,but that's your opinion
PS: I also wish to the Rybka team luck against Joel Benjamin playing vs Rybka with a pawn odd, since Rybka is considered to be much stronger than Deeper Blue and Joel had an excellent 2-0 record against Deep Blue; and Benjamin was one of the key GM in tunning Deeper Blue versus Kasparov. Anyway in my opinion Anand is a much better player than Joel at any given time control and should score better than against Rybka
Whatever,Jorge but you slightly underestimate the strength of Rybka, Hydra did crush Adams by 5.5-0.5,Adams is almost equal to Anand and without the pawn odd there is a good chance that Rybka would defeat Anand and with the pawn odd,the game would be interesting and i bet the score would be equal.
and by the way,Even Fritz which is 300 elo lesser than Rybka can defeat Kramnik in normal chess.
Fully agree with professor Swami
It's obvious and Jorge might have forgotten about previous human vs machine matches, but thank you,Doctor Wael
pichy wrote:Can Rybka beat Aronian or Anand at this time control ?
In FRC? Easily. Unlike normal chess, I think Rybka could give draw odds and still be a heavy favorite. The novel positions will hurt the GMs more than Rybka.
Agreed.Question is if it can beat any of these GM's with only rook pawn odd.
My chess enthusiast friend, Anand would even take Rybka apart in a game of 25 minutes per side in normal chess without any odd. Just because Rybka performance against other chess programs has been excellent, it has never played the best blitz human player in the world.
My patzer friend,Whatever,but that's your opinion
PS: I also wish to the Rybka team luck against Joel Benjamin playing vs Rybka with a pawn odd, since Rybka is considered to be much stronger than Deeper Blue and Joel had an excellent 2-0 record against Deep Blue; and Benjamin was one of the key GM in tunning Deeper Blue versus Kasparov. Anyway in my opinion Anand is a much better player than Joel at any given time control and should score better than against Rybka
This is a pure speculation about Anand,the guy was sweaped away by the old program Rebel a long time ago
No wonder why Rebel was playing on a real monster machine the equivalent of an Intel Pentium II at 550 MHz
PS: The real factor of the slightly lost match by Anand was that Anand at that time did NOT had enough experience playing against computer chess programs, Plus jeroem cooked some openings that he knew in advadvance how Anand would respond to it up to move 20 or so.
pichy wrote:Can Rybka beat Aronian or Anand at this time control ?
In FRC? Easily. Unlike normal chess, I think Rybka could give draw odds and still be a heavy favorite. The novel positions will hurt the GMs more than Rybka.
Agreed.Question is if it can beat any of these GM's with only rook pawn odd.
My chess enthusiast friend, Anand would even take Rybka apart in a game of 25 minutes per side in normal chess without any odd. Just because Rybka performance against other chess programs has been excellent, it has never played the best blitz human player in the world.
My patzer friend,Whatever,but that's your opinion
PS: I also wish to the Rybka team luck against Joel Benjamin playing vs Rybka with a pawn odd, since Rybka is considered to be much stronger than Deeper Blue and Joel had an excellent 2-0 record against Deep Blue; and Benjamin was one of the key GM in tunning Deeper Blue versus Kasparov. Anyway in my opinion Anand is a much better player than Joel at any given time control and should score better than against Rybka
This is a pure speculation about Anand,the guy was sweaped away by the old program Rebel a long time ago
No wonder why Rebel was playing on a real monster machine the equivalent of an Intel Pentium II at 550 MHz
PS: The real factor of the slightly lost match by Anand was that Anand at that time did NOT had enough experience playing against computer chess programs, Plus jeroem cooked some openings that he knew in advadvance how Anand would respond to it up to move 20 or so.
Anand needs experience again(until he becomes a grandpa and around that time he would need need even more experience to play like young Anand who once was defeated by Rebel )
Anand doesn't have enough experience playing computers
because Rybka team has a monster machine and strength far better than Rebel and its machine long time back and much improved anti anand book from experienced Jereon again
pichy wrote:Can Rybka beat Aronian or Anand at this time control ?
In FRC? Easily. Unlike normal chess, I think Rybka could give draw odds and still be a heavy favorite. The novel positions will hurt the GMs more than Rybka.
Agreed.Question is if it can beat any of these GM's with only rook pawn odd.
My chess enthusiast friend, Anand would even take Rybka apart in a game of 25 minutes per side in normal chess without any odd. Just because Rybka performance against other chess programs has been excellent, it has never played the best blitz human player in the world.
My patzer friend,Whatever,but that's your opinion
PS: I also wish to the Rybka team luck against Joel Benjamin playing vs Rybka with a pawn odd, since Rybka is considered to be much stronger than Deeper Blue and Joel had an excellent 2-0 record against Deep Blue; and Benjamin was one of the key GM in tunning Deeper Blue versus Kasparov. Anyway in my opinion Anand is a much better player than Joel at any given time control and should score better than against Rybka
This is a pure speculation about Anand,the guy was sweaped away by the old program Rebel a long time ago
No wonder why Rebel was playing on a real monster machine the equivalent of an Intel Pentium II at 550 MHz
PS: The real factor of the slightly lost match by Anand was that Anand at that time did NOT had enough experience playing against computer chess programs, Plus jeroem cooked some openings that he knew in advadvance how Anand would respond to it up to move 20 or so.
Anand needs experience again(until he becomes a grandpa and around that time he would need need even more experience to play like young Anand who once was defeated by Rebel )
Anand doesn't have enough experience playing computers
because Rybka team has a monster machine and strength far better than Rebel and its machine long time back and much improved anti anand book from experienced Jereon again
You lost the argument,Give up Jorge.
Regards.
I give up, you won the argument, but I still think that Joel Benjamin will beat Rybka at a pawn odd in a couple of weeks, and I still believe that with all the experience that Anand got from the time that he lost to Rebel back in 1998 he is well prepared to beat Rybka at a pawn odd at longer time control or even at 90 minutes per side
PS: At least that is my opinion, and for now I will just wait a couple of weeks to see if Joel can still beat a superfast calculating chess silicon like he did with Deep Blue 10 years ago during practice games before the famous Kasparov vs Deeper Blue match.
The real factor of the slightly lost match by Anand was that Anand at that time did NOT had enough experience playing against computer chess programs, Plus jeroem cooked some openings that he knew in advadvance how Anand would respond to it up to move 20 or so.
If it was so easy for a book programmer to prepare victory over Anand one wonders why so many GMs found it so difficult.
The real factor of the slightly lost match by Anand was that Anand at that time did NOT had enough experience playing against computer chess programs, Plus jeroem cooked some openings that he knew in advadvance how Anand would respond to it up to move 20 or so.
If it was so easy for a book programmer to prepare victory over Anand one wonders why so many GMs found it so difficult.
Hi Derek,
Exactly! you can perhaps question every point he had written.I suspect he would resign himself once again
The real factor of the slightly lost match by Anand was that Anand at that time did NOT had enough experience playing against computer chess programs, Plus jeroem cooked some openings that he knew in advadvance how Anand would respond to it up to move 20 or so.
If it was so easy for a book programmer to prepare victory over Anand one wonders why so many GMs found it so difficult.
It was not so easy to prepare a victory over Anand and the facts are that Rebel lost 1.5:0.5 if you ignore some unimportant blitz and rapid games.
The real factor of the slightly lost match by Anand was that Anand at that time did NOT had enough experience playing against computer chess programs, Plus jeroem cooked some openings that he knew in advadvance how Anand would respond to it up to move 20 or so.
If it was so easy for a book programmer to prepare victory over Anand one wonders why so many GMs found it so difficult.
I'm not refering that it was easy or too easy, but if a chess program survive the first 15 moves without getting into a bad position, a program even if it is rated 100 points lower than the GM as it was at that time, when it is playing blitz game it is almost imposible to beat a calculating silicon. Anand beat Rebel in all the games that were NOT blitz and it only lost the blitz match. Pressure and time are against any human GM, but program at blitz don't get any pressure and always play the best move
pichy wrote:Can Rybka beat Aronian or Anand at this time control ?
In FRC? Easily. Unlike normal chess, I think Rybka could give draw odds and still be a heavy favorite. The novel positions will hurt the GMs more than Rybka.
Agreed.Question is if it can beat any of these GM's with only rook pawn odd.
My chess enthusiast friend, Anand would even take Rybka apart in a game of 25 minutes per side in normal chess without any odd. Just because Rybka performance against other chess programs has been excellent, it has never played the best blitz human player in the world.
My patzer friend,Whatever,but that's your opinion
PS: I also wish to the Rybka team luck against Joel Benjamin playing vs Rybka with a pawn odd, since Rybka is considered to be much stronger than Deeper Blue and Joel had an excellent 2-0 record against Deep Blue; and Benjamin was one of the key GM in tunning Deeper Blue versus Kasparov. Anyway in my opinion Anand is a much better player than Joel at any given time control and should score better than against Rybka
This is a pure speculation about Anand,the guy was sweaped away by the old program Rebel a long time ago
No wonder why Rebel was playing on a real monster machine the equivalent of an Intel Pentium II at 550 MHz
PS: The real factor of the slightly lost match by Anand was that Anand at that time did NOT had enough experience playing against computer chess programs, Plus jeroem cooked some openings that he knew in advadvance how Anand would respond to it up to move 20 or so.
Anand needs experience again(until he becomes a grandpa and around that time he would need need even more experience to play like young Anand who once was defeated by Rebel )
Anand doesn't have enough experience playing computers
because Rybka team has a monster machine and strength far better than Rebel and its machine long time back and much improved anti anand book from experienced Jereon again
You lost the argument,Give up Jorge.
Regards.
Simply look at whatr GM Joel Benjamin is doing so far the score is 3.5 to 2.5 and more likely GM Benjamin will end up with 3.0 points, Anand with that time control and a Pawn Odd would beat Rybka 5.0 to 3.0 and playing even without pawn odd at that time control Anand would score at least 3.5 out of 8 games
