5th Amateur Championship Division 2 (completed)

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Which three engines will gain promotion?

Poll ended at Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:40 am

Pharaon 3.5.1
9
21%
Pseudo 0.7c
3
7%
E.T Chess 18.11.05
1
2%
Jonny 2.83
3
7%
Crafty 21.5
3
7%
The Baron 1.8.1
4
9%
The Baron 1.8.1
4
9%
Movei 0.08.403
4
9%
Booot 4.13.1
6
14%
Colossus 2007c
5
12%
One of the other engines
1
2%
 
Total votes: 43

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I sent it also to you.

446 that I sent you is involved in a match against 438 to see what happens when 446 does not print the pv and 438 print the pv at 1+1 under arena.

result after 10 games was 5.5-4.5 for 446
After completing 100 games I may repeat the match with the same conditions except 446 prints the pv like 438.

Uri
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Rubinus wrote:Movei, Pharaon, Jonny.
I go with Pavel.
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Uri Blass wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:I considered again releasing new version of movei and I plan to release version418 today or tomorrow(I already have slightly newer version but I did not test it enough)
You'll need to be quick to get it into this tournament Uri, because once it starts there will be no replacements.

Regards, Graham.
I already sent the new version to Leo with a small readme file
I hope that he is going to release it today.
Note that this is the same version that was tested in the FRC list by Ray.

Uri
Thanks Uri.

Movei 0.08.438 is now included. Good luck in the tourney! :P

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Graham Banks wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:I considered again releasing new version of movei and I plan to release version418 today or tomorrow(I already have slightly newer version but I did not test it enough)
You'll need to be quick to get it into this tournament Uri, because once it starts there will be no replacements.

Regards, Graham.
I already sent the new version to Leo with a small readme file
I hope that he is going to release it today.
Note that this is the same version that was tested in the FRC list by Ray.

Uri
Thanks Uri.

Movei 0.08.438 is now included. Good luck in the tourney! :P

Regards, Graham.
Yeah baby,it's gonna be a hell of a fight :D
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Re: 5th Amateur Championship Division 2 - your picks?

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swami wrote:
Kirill Kryukov wrote:
swami wrote:Pharaon
Pseudo
Booot
Same here.
Cool, If you predict engines strength in a way similar to mine , you would definitely do well in my prediction contest :wink:
My prediction is simply based on my blitz testing, which does not include most of the weaker engines you test. So I would not do as well in your contest. :-) :-)
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I downloaded the games of the first round

Here are 2 competition when I do not expect movei to win


competiton 1:searching faster than the opponent

1)Anmon 912 knodes
2)Crafty 679 knodes
3)colossus 621 knodes
4)pseudo 531 knodes
5)spider 522 knodes
6)Pharaon 509 knodes
7)Comet 437 knodes
8)Jonny 405 knodes
9)Booot 357 knodes
10)Trace 339 knodes
11)Patzer 326 knodes
12)ETchess 304 knodes
13)Movei 264 knodes
14)Baron 248 knodes
15)Amyan 225 knodes
16)Djinn 185 knodes


competition 2:outsearching the opponent:

1)Pseudo 16.4 plies
2)Djinn 15.8 plies
3)spider 15.5 plies
4)Baron 15.4 plies
5)Crafty 15.2 plies
6)colossus 15.1 plies
7-8)Trace 14.8 plies
7-8)Anmon 14.8 plies
9)Movei 14.5 plies
10)Jonny 14.4 plies
11)Pharaon 14.1 plies
12)Booot 13.5 plies
13)ETchess 13,3 plies
14)Amyan 12.7 plies
15)Patzer 12.6 plies
16)Comet 12.4 plies
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Re: 5th Amateur Championship Division 2 - your picks?

Post by Uri Blass »

Note that anmon is a fast searcher but

72,685,982kN/s is even high in Anmon standards and in previous games it searched less than 1,000 knodes with the same hardware.

I wonder what happend?



[Event "5th Amateur D2"]
[Site "Howick"]
[Date "2007.08.31"]
[Round "1.3"]
[White "Crafty 21.5 32-bit"]
[Black "AnMon 5.60"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C85"]
[Annotator "0.32;0.20"]
[PlyCount "151"]
[EventDate "2007.08.26"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[Source "Banks"]
[TimeControl "40/4080:40/4080:40/4080"]

{AMD Athlon(tm) MP 1666 MHz W=16.7 ply; 584kN/s; HS-10moves(2).ctg B=14.2
ply; 72,685,982kN/s; 16 TBAs; HS-10moves(2).ctg} 1. e4 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} e5 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 2. Nf3 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nc6 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 3. Bb5 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} a6 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 4. Ba4 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 5. O-O {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Be7 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 6. Bxc6 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} dxc6 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 7. d3 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nd7 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 8. Nbd2 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} O-O {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 9. Nc4 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} f6 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 10. Nh4 {
[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nc5 {[%eval 35534,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 11. Nf5 {
[%eval 32,14] [%emt 0:01:17]} g6 {(Be6) [%eval 20,14] [%emt 0:04:55]} 12. Nxe7+
{[%eval 30,15] [%emt 0:01:21]} Qxe7 {[%eval 25,16] [%emt 0:04:05]} 13. Na5 {
(f4) [%eval 34,15] [%emt 0:01:18]} Rd8 {(Na4) [%eval 5,14] [%emt 0:03:32]} 14.
Qf3 {(Qe2) [%eval 28,15] [%emt 0:01:22]} Ne6 {[%eval -8,13] [%emt 0:01:05]} 15.
Nb3 {(c3) [%eval 27,16] [%emt 0:01:19]} b6 {(c5) [%eval -16,14] [%emt 0:01:07]}
16. Bh6 {(Qg3) [%eval 17,15] [%emt 0:01:21]} Qf7 {
(Bb7) [%eval -18,14] [%emt 0:02:37]} 17. Be3 {(g3) [%eval 16,14] [%emt 0:01:20]
} a5 {(c5) [%eval -20,14] [%emt 0:02:45]} 18. a4 {[%eval 12,16] [%emt 0:01:23]}
c5 {[%eval -16,14] [%emt 0:04:21]} 19. Rfd1 {(Nd2) [%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:01:23]}
Bb7 {[%eval -25,13] [%emt 0:04:09]} 20. Qg4 {(Re1) [%eval -5,15] [%emt 0:01:22]
} h5 {(Qd7) [%eval -33,13] [%emt 0:01:34]} 21. Qe2 {[%eval 0,17] [%emt 0:01:22]
} Qd7 {(Bc6) [%eval -43,12] [%emt 0:01:54]} 22. Nd2 {
(Qf3) [%eval -1,16] [%emt 0:01:24]} Bc6 {[%eval -38,14] [%emt 0:03:55]} 23. b3
{[%eval 3,16] [%emt 0:01:23]} Nd4 {[%eval -38,14] [%emt 0:01:16]} 24. Bxd4 {
[%eval 9,15] [%emt 0:01:24]} cxd4 {[%eval -32,14] [%emt 0:03:38]} 25. Rac1 {
(f4) [%eval 3,17] [%emt 0:01:26]} Kg7 {(Qg4) [%eval -43,13] [%emt 0:03:03]} 26.
c3 {(Rf1) [%eval 14,17] [%emt 0:01:26]} dxc3 {[%eval -54,14] [%emt 0:00:54]}
27. Rxc3 {[%eval 15,17] [%emt 0:01:27]} Bb7 {[%eval -48,15] [%emt 0:03:31]} 28.
Qe1 {(Rdc1) [%eval 0,16] [%emt 0:01:52]} Qd6 {
(c5) [%eval -55,14] [%emt 0:02:47]} 29. Nc4 {[%eval -4,16] [%emt 0:01:28]} Qe7
{(Qe6) [%eval -48,14] [%emt 0:03:18]} 30. Rdc1 {
(g3) [%eval -6,16] [%emt 0:01:29]} Rd4 {(Rd7) [%eval -59,14] [%emt 0:00:48]}
31. Ne3 {(Qe3) [%eval -11,16] [%emt 0:01:34]} c5 {[%eval -59,14] [%emt 0:01:20]
} 32. Nc2 {[%eval -16,17] [%emt 0:01:38]} Rd7 {[%eval -59,15] [%emt 0:01:19]}
33. Ne3 {[%eval -23,16] [%emt 0:01:32]} Rad8 {[%eval -58,15] [%emt 0:01:24]}
34. Nc4 {[%eval -25,16] [%emt 0:01:34]} Qe6 {[%eval -57,15] [%emt 0:02:26]} 35.
Qe3 {(Qe2) [%eval -29,16] [%emt 0:01:35]} Qc6 {
(h4) [%eval -62,14] [%emt 0:00:47]} 36. h4 {(g3) [%eval -29,15] [%emt 0:01:36]}
Rd4 {(Ba6) [%eval -62,15] [%emt 0:01:29]} 37. f3 {
(g3) [%eval -42,16] [%emt 0:01:38]} Ba6 {[%eval -63,14] [%emt 0:00:33]} 38. Nb2
{(Ra1) [%eval -52,17] [%emt 0:01:41]} Qd7 {(Qe6) [%eval -85,15] [%emt 0:00:50]}
39. Rd1 {(Nc4) [%eval -52,16] [%emt 0:01:42]} Rb4 {
(Qe6) [%eval -87,13] [%emt 0:01:57]} 40. Qe1 {
(Rdc1) [%eval -60,16] [%emt 0:01:44]} Kf7 {(f5) [%eval -82,12] [%emt 0:00:30]}
41. Kh1 {(Kh2) [%eval -57,15] [%emt 0:02:33]} Qd6 {
(f5) [%eval -70,14] [%emt 0:01:42]} 42. Rd2 {
(Rb1) [%eval -50,17] [%emt 0:02:34]} Kg7 {(Rd4) [%eval -75,14] [%emt 0:03:25]}
43. Re2 {(Rd1) [%eval -43,18] [%emt 0:02:34]} Rd4 {
[%eval -81,16] [%emt 0:03:14]} 44. Re3 {(Rd2) [%eval -41,17] [%emt 0:02:34]}
Bc8 {(Qc6) [%eval -80,14] [%emt 0:02:58]} 45. Nc4 {
[%eval -41,18] [%emt 0:02:34]} Qc6 {[%eval -73,15] [%emt 0:01:36]} 46. Qf2 {
(g3) [%eval -42,18] [%emt 0:02:42]} Ba6 {[%eval -75,15] [%emt 0:03:03]} 47. Nb2
{(g3) [%eval -41,17] [%emt 0:02:34]} Re8 {(R4d6) [%eval -71,13] [%emt 0:03:50]}
48. Re1 {(Nc4) [%eval -41,17] [%emt 0:02:34]} Qe6 {
(Qd7) [%eval -70,13] [%emt 0:02:11]} 49. Kg1 {
(Re3) [%eval -53,17] [%emt 0:02:47]} Red8 {[%eval -73,15] [%emt 0:02:17]} 50.
Qe3 {(Rd1) [%eval -47,17] [%emt 0:02:34]} R8d6 {
(Qd6) [%eval -78,14] [%emt 0:01:16]} 51. Qd2 {[%eval -48,16] [%emt 0:01:15]}
Qd7 {(f5) [%eval -79,13] [%emt 0:01:26]} 52. Re3 {
(Rd1) [%eval -41,16] [%emt 0:01:15]} Qe8 {(Kf8) [%eval -76,13] [%emt 0:01:42]}
53. Qc2 {[%eval -41,17] [%emt 0:01:16]} Qe6 {
(Qe7) [%eval -70,14] [%emt 0:01:30]} 54. Nc4 {[%eval -42,17] [%emt 0:01:15]}
Rd8 {(Bxc4) [%eval -69,15] [%emt 0:00:48]} 55. Qe2 {
(g3) [%eval -42,18] [%emt 0:01:17]} Qc6 {(Bxc4) [%eval -72,14] [%emt 0:01:04]}
56. Qc2 {(Qd1) [%eval -43,18] [%emt 0:01:28]} Qc7 {
(Bxc4) [%eval -67,15] [%emt 0:02:51]} 57. Qf2 {
(g3) [%eval -42,17] [%emt 0:01:17]} Kh7 {(Bxc4) [%eval -69,14] [%emt 0:01:18]}
58. Qc2 {(g3) [%eval -41,17] [%emt 0:01:18]} Bc8 {
(Qc6) [%eval -68,14] [%emt 0:03:11]} 59. Na3 {
(g3) [%eval -40,16] [%emt 0:01:18]} Be6 {[%eval -77,14] [%emt 0:01:38]} 60. Nc4
{[%eval -41,17] [%emt 0:01:19]} Qc6 {(Bxc4) [%eval -73,15] [%emt 0:01:25]} 61.
Kh2 {(g3) [%eval -54,17] [%emt 0:01:45]} Bxc4 {[%eval -76,14] [%emt 0:01:27]}
62. bxc4 {(dxc4) [%eval -54,16] [%emt 0:01:19]} f5 {
[%eval -71,14] [%emt 0:02:38]} 63. exf5 {[%eval -73,15] [%emt 0:01:20]} Rxh4+ {
(gxf5) [%eval -72,14] [%emt 0:01:34]} 64. Kg1 {[%eval -83,16] [%emt 0:01:21]}
gxf5 {[%eval -49,13] [%emt 0:02:22]} 65. Rb3 {[%eval -66,15] [%emt 0:01:22]}
Qxa4 {[%eval -56,12] [%emt 0:00:36]} 66. Qc3 {
(Qb2) [%eval -67,14] [%emt 0:01:37]} Rd6 {[%eval -41,12] [%emt 0:00:46]} 67.
Rxe5 {[%eval -58,14] [%emt 0:01:24]} Rhd4 {[%eval 9,12] [%emt 0:04:40]} 68.
Re7+ {[%eval -35,14] [%emt 0:01:23]} Kh6 {[%eval 58,13] [%emt 0:03:21]} 69.
Qd2+ {[%eval 210,14] [%emt 0:01:44]} Kg6 {(f4) [%eval 127,13] [%emt 0:02:46]}
70. Qe1 {[%eval 406,14] [%emt 0:01:25]} h4 {(Qc6) [%eval 141,12] [%emt 0:00:33]
} 71. Qe5 {[%eval 406,13] [%emt 0:01:27]} Qa1+ {[%eval 437,10] [%emt 0:02:00]}
72. Kh2 {[%eval 476,15] [%emt 0:01:27]} Qc1 {[%eval 446,11] [%emt 0:00:52]} 73.
Rg7+ {(Qg7+) [%eval 498,13] [%emt 0:01:50]} Kh6 {[%eval 1,5] [%emt 0:00:00]}
74. Qe7 {(Rg5) [%eval 655,15] [%emt 0:01:28]} Qf4+ {
[%eval 537,12] [%emt 0:00:34]} 75. Kh3 {[%eval 994,16] [%emt 0:01:41]} Qg3+ {
[%eval 642,15] [%emt 0:00:54]} 76. Rxg3 {[%eval 1,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 1-0
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Re: 5th Amateur Championship Division 2 - your picks?

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These are probably the total searched Kn/s after using it's time for the move....
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It is also not logical assuming 1000 knodes per second anmon needed to search more than 20 hours to get more than 72,000 knodes.
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Uri Blass wrote:Note that anmon is a fast searcher but

72,685,982kN/s is even high in Anmon standards and in previous games it searched less than 1,000 knodes with the same hardware.

I wonder what happend?
AnMon displays some strange info at times. Other testers have noticed this also.

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