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JuLieN wrote:Incredible! Well done Gelfand! :shock:

And that was a very interesting game! I loved how white managed to masterfully use their temporary dynamical advantage (especially their moves on the c file) against black's long term advantage (pawn structure).
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JuLieN wrote:Incredible! Well done Gelfand! :shock:

And that was a very interesting game! I loved how white managed to masterfully use their temporary dynamical advantage (especially their moves on the c file) against black's long term advantage (pawn structure).
Yes it was indeed!
Anand looks pissed (press conference). There will be fire in white's pieces tomorrow. ;)
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[Event "World Chess Championship"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2012.05.20"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 a6 6. c5 Nbd7
7. Qc2 b6 8. cxb6 Nxb6 9. Bd2 c5 10. Rc1 cxd4 11. exd4 Bd6
12. Bg5 O-O 13. Bd3 h6 14. Bh4 Bb7 15. O-O Qb8 16. Bg3 Rc8
17. Qe2 Bxg3 18. hxg3 Qd6 19. Rc2 Nbd7 20. Rfc1 Rab8
21. Na4 Ne4 22. Rxc8+ Bxc8 23. Qc2 g5 24. Qc7 Qxc7 25. Rxc7
f6 26. Bxe4 dxe4 27. Nd2 f5 28. Nc4 Nf6 29. Nc5 Nd5 30. Ra7
Nb4 31. Ne5 Nc2 32. Nc6 Rxb2 33. Rc7 Rb1+ 34. Kh2 e3
35. Rxc8+ Kh7 36. Rc7+ Kh8 37. Ne5 e2 38. Nxe6 1-0

The match has really started now :).
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JuLieN wrote:
AdminX wrote:
JuLieN wrote:Incredible! Well done Gelfand! :shock:

And that was a very interesting game! I loved how white managed to masterfully use their temporary dynamical advantage (especially their moves on the c file) against black's long term advantage (pawn structure).
Yes it was indeed!
Anand looks pissed (press conference). There will be fire in white's pieces tomorrow. ;)
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. He also seems a little short with his answers.
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AdminX wrote:
JuLieN wrote:
AdminX wrote:
JuLieN wrote:Incredible! Well done Gelfand! :shock:

And that was a very interesting game! I loved how white managed to masterfully use their temporary dynamical advantage (especially their moves on the c file) against black's long term advantage (pawn structure).
Yes it was indeed!
Anand looks pissed (press conference). There will be fire in white's pieces tomorrow. ;)
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. He also seems a little short with his answers.
Journalist: Now that you are one point behind in the score, will you change something in the opening, maybe play more aggressively?
Vishy: I don't think I should reveal that.
Journalist: Boris, did you notice that there were more people in the audience today?
Gelfand: No, but that's good to ear. Maybe because that's the weekend?
Journalist (to Anand): And di...
Anand: I noticed nothing.

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JuLieN wrote:
AdminX wrote:
JuLieN wrote:
AdminX wrote:
JuLieN wrote:Incredible! Well done Gelfand! :shock:

And that was a very interesting game! I loved how white managed to masterfully use their temporary dynamical advantage (especially their moves on the c file) against black's long term advantage (pawn structure).
Yes it was indeed!
Anand looks pissed (press conference). There will be fire in white's pieces tomorrow. ;)
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. He also seems a little short with his answers.
Journalist: Now that you are one point behind in the score, will you change something in the opening, maybe play more aggressively?
Vishy: I don't think I should reveal that.
Journalist: Boris, did you notice that there were more people in the audience today?
Gelfand: No, but that's good to ear. Maybe because that's the weekend?
Journalist (to Anand): And di...
Anand: I noticed nothing.

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Wow....Anand is definitely pissed off :shock:

I am not a world champion,but I do play the chess engines a lot and I've gained enough experience to participate in human tournaments,soon I hope....

So my point is that Anand has played a sequence of bad moves which I was really surprised to watch....he violated numerous basic principles of chess strategy during the middle game which made him an easy victim for Gelfand to squeeze to death....

Of course I am not underestimating Gelfand's master play....

All in all a great game to watch regards,
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Now we will see what Anand has in hands in the next game :D
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gleperlier wrote:Now we will see what Anand has in hands in the next game :D
He must go for attacking chess....

He can't afford these boring draws no more regards,
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:So my point is that Anand has played a sequence of bad moves which I was really surprised to watch....
Agreed so far, but ...
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:he violated numerous basic principles of chess strategy during the middle game which made him an easy victim for Gelfand to squeeze to death....
here I disagree. In my eyes the trouble started with 21...Ne4 from an otherwise equal position, where you can't say that this move violates any basic principle. 21...Rxc2 might have been better but would that follow all principles? Even 23...g5 which might have been suboptimal does not really fall into that category, given also that the position was already difficult to play for black with the bad Bc8.

The only move for which I would agree to you was 25...f6, and that was probably bad enough to finally lose the game. I don't see any subsequent point in the game where black could have saved the game. 33...Rb1+ seems to lose faster than necessary but that does not matter in the end, as well as the fact that Gelfand missed a forced mate in 12 (we can forgive him, I believe ;-) ) with 37.Nd7 instead of 37.Ne5. In fact Ne5 was "better" since it forced Anand to resign one move later.

But "violated numerous basic principles of chess strategy", that still sounds quite a bit too harsh for me ...

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Sven Schüle wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:So my point is that Anand has played a sequence of bad moves which I was really surprised to watch....
Agreed so far, but ...
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:he violated numerous basic principles of chess strategy during the middle game which made him an easy victim for Gelfand to squeeze to death....
here I disagree. In my eyes the trouble started with 21...Ne4 from an otherwise equal position, where you can't say that this move violates any basic principle. 21...Rxc2 might have been better but would that follow all principles? Even 23...g5 which might have been suboptimal does not really fall into that category, given also that the position was already difficult to play for black with the bad Bc8.

The only move for which I would agree to you was 25...f6, and that was probably bad enough to finally lose the game. I don't see any subsequent point in the game where black could have saved the game. 33...Rb1+ seems to lose faster than necessary but that does not matter in the end, as well as the fact that Gelfand missed a forced mate in 12 (we can forgive him, I believe ;-) ) with 37.Nd7 instead of 37.Ne5. In fact Ne5 was "better" since it forced Anand to resign one move later.

But "violated numerous basic principles of chess strategy", that still sounds quite a bit too harsh for me ...

Sven
Well,maybe I went too far over my head here but this is how I evaluate the game....

Note that it's much easier to watch the game from the spectator's position than to actually set behind the chess board and play....

To sum things up,missing the opportunity on the C file and the bad 25....f6 move were the main nails that sealed the coffin of this game 8-)
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