A problem CC community has

[Rebel]

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

Then why not ask Vas to talk to the ICGA and the case can be reopened. he could perhaps show the R3 code to ken who I think would be trusted by all sides.

The offer is appreciated but I think you first need to check some of the programmers else you will go the CSVN way.

I believe we all have said the same thing. Should he show that the current Rybka is clean, there would be no problem letting it compete. The only issue would be the current ban for past (very) bad behavior...

I have to see it before I will believe it. The CSVN and recent CCT case are not very hope giving. I think there are some programmers who find the current situation TRUTHFULL.

there,I corrected it for you

Thank you for proving my point.

[Terry McCracken]

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

Then why not ask Vas to talk to the ICGA and the case can be reopened. he could perhaps show the R3 code to ken who I think would be trusted by all sides.

The offer is appreciated but I think you first need to check some of the programmers else you will go the CSVN way.

I believe we all have said the same thing. Should he show that the current Rybka is clean, there would be no problem letting it compete. The only issue would be the current ban for past (very) bad behavior...

if anyone should be banned for "very bad behaviour" it should be one Robert Hyatt for false and malicious allegations against an entirely innocent competitor whose program he was unable to either beat or understand. Repeated and unjustified accusations of theft, appeals to, and actual disassembley of, and illegal publication of the internals of that program and then further participation in multiple libels and bullying via the world's press. I would doubt that there has ever been a more disgusting case of abuse in computer chess than that perpetrated by Hyatt here.

Throwing another hissy-fit I see, Chris.
Nothing you said could be farther from the truth, something completely alien to you.

An expected partisan response! Look, if Hyatt is allowed to gratuitously abuse other programmers, then why can those other programmers not be defended in like style?

The moderators should decide really. Is Hyatt to be allowed to gratuitously abuse Vas at will here, or not?

No, he is not allowed to abuse Vas. However, what you call abuse is stating the facts about Vasik's use of GPL software which he had no right to use and then entering it in tournaments under the auspices of the ICGA which breaks Rule #2.

This is a fact. Nothing you or anyone else can change that.

[F. Bluemers]

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

Then why not ask Vas to talk to the ICGA and the case can be reopened. he could perhaps show the R3 code to ken who I think would be trusted by all sides.

The offer is appreciated but I think you first need to check some of the programmers else you will go the CSVN way.

I believe we all have said the same thing. Should he show that the current Rybka is clean, there would be no problem letting it compete. The only issue would be the current ban for past (very) bad behavior...

I have to see it before I will believe it. The CSVN and recent CCT case are not very hope giving. I think there are some programmers who find the current situation TRUTHFULL.

there,I corrected it for you

Thank you for proving my point.

Good one Ed,If you typed it yourself it's even original

[chrisw]

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

Then why not ask Vas to talk to the ICGA and the case can be reopened. he could perhaps show the R3 code to ken who I think would be trusted by all sides.

The offer is appreciated but I think you first need to check some of the programmers else you will go the CSVN way.

I believe we all have said the same thing. Should he show that the current Rybka is clean, there would be no problem letting it compete. The only issue would be the current ban for past (very) bad behavior...

if anyone should be banned for "very bad behaviour" it should be one Robert Hyatt for false and malicious allegations against an entirely innocent competitor whose program he was unable to either beat or understand. Repeated and unjustified accusations of theft, appeals to, and actual disassembley of, and illegal publication of the internals of that program and then further participation in multiple libels and bullying via the world's press. I would doubt that there has ever been a more disgusting case of abuse in computer chess than that perpetrated by Hyatt here.

Throwing another hissy-fit I see, Chris.
Nothing you said could be farther from the truth, something completely alien to you.

An expected partisan response! Look, if Hyatt is allowed to gratuitously abuse other programmers, then why can those other programmers not be defended in like style?

The moderators should decide really. Is Hyatt to be allowed to gratuitously abuse Vas at will here, or not?

No, he is not allowed to abuse Vas. However, what you call abuse is stating the facts about Vasik's use of GPL software which he had no right to use and then entering it in tournaments under the auspices of the ICGA which breaks Rule #2.

This is a fact. Nothing you or anyone else can change that.

Can you not understand the technical discussions?

We already changed it. It is not a fact anymore.

[Terry McCracken]

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

Then why not ask Vas to talk to the ICGA and the case can be reopened. he could perhaps show the R3 code to ken who I think would be trusted by all sides.

The offer is appreciated but I think you first need to check some of the programmers else you will go the CSVN way.

I believe we all have said the same thing. Should he show that the current Rybka is clean, there would be no problem letting it compete. The only issue would be the current ban for past (very) bad behavior...

if anyone should be banned for "very bad behaviour" it should be one Robert Hyatt for false and malicious allegations against an entirely innocent competitor whose program he was unable to either beat or understand. Repeated and unjustified accusations of theft, appeals to, and actual disassembley of, and illegal publication of the internals of that program and then further participation in multiple libels and bullying via the world's press. I would doubt that there has ever been a more disgusting case of abuse in computer chess than that perpetrated by Hyatt here.

Throwing another hissy-fit I see, Chris.
Nothing you said could be farther from the truth, something completely alien to you.

An expected partisan response! Look, if Hyatt is allowed to gratuitously abuse other programmers, then why can those other programmers not be defended in like style?

The moderators should decide really. Is Hyatt to be allowed to gratuitously abuse Vas at will here, or not?

No, he is not allowed to abuse Vas. However, what you call abuse is stating the facts about Vasik's use of GPL software which he had no right to use and then entering it in tournaments under the auspices of the ICGA which breaks Rule #2.

This is a fact. Nothing you or anyone else can change that.

Can you not understand the technical discussions?

We already changed it. It is not a fact anymore.

I appear to understand them better than you as nothing has changed Facts are Facts. Only your's and Ed's twisted view is being swallowed by some illiterates.

[Rebel]

I appear to understand them better than you as nothing has changed Facts are Facts. Only your's and Ed's twisted view is being swallowed by some illiterates.

On top of my head I can mention 10 programmers who do not agree with the ICGA verdict. They are all twisted Terry? 14-0 you perhaps can label as a fact, 14-10 no longer. I would say controversial at best, maybe undecided is better.

[chrisw]

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

Then why not ask Vas to talk to the ICGA and the case can be reopened. he could perhaps show the R3 code to ken who I think would be trusted by all sides.

The offer is appreciated but I think you first need to check some of the programmers else you will go the CSVN way.

I believe we all have said the same thing. Should he show that the current Rybka is clean, there would be no problem letting it compete. The only issue would be the current ban for past (very) bad behavior...

if anyone should be banned for "very bad behaviour" it should be one Robert Hyatt for false and malicious allegations against an entirely innocent competitor whose program he was unable to either beat or understand. Repeated and unjustified accusations of theft, appeals to, and actual disassembley of, and illegal publication of the internals of that program and then further participation in multiple libels and bullying via the world's press. I would doubt that there has ever been a more disgusting case of abuse in computer chess than that perpetrated by Hyatt here.

Throwing another hissy-fit I see, Chris.
Nothing you said could be farther from the truth, something completely alien to you.

An expected partisan response! Look, if Hyatt is allowed to gratuitously abuse other programmers, then why can those other programmers not be defended in like style?

The moderators should decide really. Is Hyatt to be allowed to gratuitously abuse Vas at will here, or not?

No, he is not allowed to abuse Vas. However, what you call abuse is stating the facts about Vasik's use of GPL software which he had no right to use and then entering it in tournaments under the auspices of the ICGA which breaks Rule #2.

This is a fact. Nothing you or anyone else can change that.

Can you not understand the technical discussions?

We already changed it. It is not a fact anymore.

I appear to understand them better than you as nothing has changed Facts are Facts. Only your's and Ed's twisted view is being swallowed by some illiterates.

Terry, your expert opinion is tres valuable, i'm sure, but are you actually
able to tell the difference between a piece of code and a hole in the ground?

[Terry McCracken]

I appear to understand them better than you as nothing has changed Facts are Facts. Only your's and Ed's twisted view is being swallowed by some illiterates.

On top of my head I can mention 10 programmers who do not agree with the ICGA verdict. They are all twisted Terry? 14-0 you perhaps can label as a fact, 14-10 no longer. I would say controversial at best, maybe undecided is better.

I don't care the truth is the truth.

[Terry McCracken]

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

Then why not ask Vas to talk to the ICGA and the case can be reopened. he could perhaps show the R3 code to ken who I think would be trusted by all sides.

The offer is appreciated but I think you first need to check some of the programmers else you will go the CSVN way.

I believe we all have said the same thing. Should he show that the current Rybka is clean, there would be no problem letting it compete. The only issue would be the current ban for past (very) bad behavior...

if anyone should be banned for "very bad behaviour" it should be one Robert Hyatt for false and malicious allegations against an entirely innocent competitor whose program he was unable to either beat or understand. Repeated and unjustified accusations of theft, appeals to, and actual disassembley of, and illegal publication of the internals of that program and then further participation in multiple libels and bullying via the world's press. I would doubt that there has ever been a more disgusting case of abuse in computer chess than that perpetrated by Hyatt here.

Throwing another hissy-fit I see, Chris.
Nothing you said could be farther from the truth, something completely alien to you.

An expected partisan response! Look, if Hyatt is allowed to gratuitously abuse other programmers, then why can those other programmers not be defended in like style?

The moderators should decide really. Is Hyatt to be allowed to gratuitously abuse Vas at will here, or not?

No, he is not allowed to abuse Vas. However, what you call abuse is stating the facts about Vasik's use of GPL software which he had no right to use and then entering it in tournaments under the auspices of the ICGA which breaks Rule #2.

This is a fact. Nothing you or anyone else can change that.

Can you not understand the technical discussions?

We already changed it. It is not a fact anymore.

I appear to understand them better than you as nothing has changed Facts are Facts. Only your's and Ed's twisted view is being swallowed by some illiterates.

Terry, your expert opinion is tres valuable, i'm sure, but are you actually
able to tell the difference between a piece of code and a hole in the ground?

Yes, you arrogant fool.

[geots]

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

Then why not ask Vas to talk to the ICGA and the case can be reopened. he could perhaps show the R3 code to ken who I think would be trusted by all sides.

The offer is appreciated but I think you first need to check some of the programmers else you will go the CSVN way.

I believe we all have said the same thing. Should he show that the current Rybka is clean, there would be no problem letting it compete. The only issue would be the current ban for past (very) bad behavior...

if anyone should be banned for "very bad behaviour" it should be one Robert Hyatt for false and malicious allegations against an entirely innocent competitor whose program he was unable to either beat or understand. Repeated and unjustified accusations of theft, appeals to, and actual disassembley of, and illegal publication of the internals of that program and then further participation in multiple libels and bullying via the world's press. I would doubt that there has ever been a more disgusting case of abuse in computer chess than that perpetrated by Hyatt here.

+6 - There is really no plus figure that will do justice to what you said. The numbers don't exist. You have given the best, most accurate synopsis of the situation I have ever heard.

IMHO Hyatt has almost ruined computer chess with his mouth and his actions.


george