AdminX wrote:"Well, if you compare the processor to what was around 20 years ago, the results will astound. If you just compare Hz (how many cycles a second a processor responds), then the P5's 60Mhz is some 25 times less powerful than the GALAXY Note II's 1.6GHz processor of today.
But this doesn't take into account that the processor is quad-core so theoretically the Note II has a processor around 100 times more powerful than what was around just 20 years ago."
Not quite 100, probably. P60MHz had Crafty at 25kN/s IIRC. Note 2 on all 4 cores about 800kN/s, so a factor of 32 or so.
That's more like a P5/133. A P6/200 was about 75K. And that was full OOE, register renaming, same basic architecture we are using today. That's a long time ago, but I believe the P6 was about 3x faster. Part from 200mhz vs the 133mhz I used in early development, part from the much better internal design with OOE that didn't require the ugly static instruction scheduling the P5/133 needed.
I just extrapolated from P200, which in my case showed Crafty at 75kN/s too (in 1997?) without taking care of improved architecture. So, 10-15 kN/s for Crafty on P60, and a speedup factor of 60-70 for Note 2, and about 130-150 for Galaxy S6.
I remember the first time I got over 10K nps with Crafty. You would have thought I died and went to Heaven. Must have been around '95 or '96. I have now seen over 50M nps in certain positions on my IMac. I know Bob has seen nearly 100M nps on his 20 core box. We're getting close to Baby Blue.
Hi Mike! Baby Blue was never that fast! Deep Blue 95,96 was ~50M nps and in 97 200M nps. max ~1G nps.
I imagine some very fast Boxes can hit a billion positions or more a second. Very costly to build I imagine with top of the line Intel chips OC of course and liquid cooled.
Heck, I just want to get a paltry i7 8 core machine.
AdminX wrote:"Well, if you compare the processor to what was around 20 years ago, the results will astound. If you just compare Hz (how many cycles a second a processor responds), then the P5's 60Mhz is some 25 times less powerful than the GALAXY Note II's 1.6GHz processor of today.
But this doesn't take into account that the processor is quad-core so theoretically the Note II has a processor around 100 times more powerful than what was around just 20 years ago."
Not quite 100, probably. P60MHz had Crafty at 25kN/s IIRC. Note 2 on all 4 cores about 800kN/s, so a factor of 32 or so.
That's more like a P5/133. A P6/200 was about 75K. And that was full OOE, register renaming, same basic architecture we are using today. That's a long time ago, but I believe the P6 was about 3x faster. Part from 200mhz vs the 133mhz I used in early development, part from the much better internal design with OOE that didn't require the ugly static instruction scheduling the P5/133 needed.
I just extrapolated from P200, which in my case showed Crafty at 75kN/s too (in 1997?) without taking care of improved architecture. So, 10-15 kN/s for Crafty on P60, and a speedup factor of 60-70 for Note 2, and about 130-150 for Galaxy S6.
Probably close. Yes, 75K in 1996 when P6 200 came out. On the order of 25K on the P5/133. I never ran on a p5/60 so I plead ignorance. I'd assume about 50%? In that family clock speed seemed to affect NPS pretty linearly.
These things are getting incredibly fast, however.
Jesse Gersenson wrote:Of course Hz is just part of the equation. The cpu's effeciency is going to be a huge factor.
Right. We have one of the intel Phi processor PCI boards with 61 cores. But the cores are P5'ish, in-order execution, rather than P6'ish with the out of order stuff. I'm going to experiment with it some but have been having enough fun with the dual 10 core chips in the box first.
AdminX wrote:"Well, if you compare the processor to what was around 20 years ago, the results will astound. If you just compare Hz (how many cycles a second a processor responds), then the P5's 60Mhz is some 25 times less powerful than the GALAXY Note II's 1.6GHz processor of today.
But this doesn't take into account that the processor is quad-core so theoretically the Note II has a processor around 100 times more powerful than what was around just 20 years ago."
Not quite 100, probably. P60MHz had Crafty at 25kN/s IIRC. Note 2 on all 4 cores about 800kN/s, so a factor of 32 or so.
That's more like a P5/133. A P6/200 was about 75K. And that was full OOE, register renaming, same basic architecture we are using today. That's a long time ago, but I believe the P6 was about 3x faster. Part from 200mhz vs the 133mhz I used in early development, part from the much better internal design with OOE that didn't require the ugly static instruction scheduling the P5/133 needed.
I just extrapolated from P200, which in my case showed Crafty at 75kN/s too (in 1997?) without taking care of improved architecture. So, 10-15 kN/s for Crafty on P60, and a speedup factor of 60-70 for Note 2, and about 130-150 for Galaxy S6.
I remember the first time I got over 10K nps with Crafty. You would have thought I died and went to Heaven. Must have been around '95 or '96. I have now seen over 50M nps in certain positions on my IMac. I know Bob has seen nearly 100M nps on his 20 core box. We're getting close to Baby Blue.
Those days the desktop CPUs advanced at steady and fast pace. I got my P200 in 1997, by 2000 it was completely obsolete, and I had to buy an Athlon 1200, which was light years better. Nowadays a 4 year old i7-2600k is still very competitive, and my 4790 Haswell is only 20% faster.
