What a fun in those times!

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Re: What a fun in those times!

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Vinvin wrote:Yes, this was the golden age for computer chess !
The race between humans and engines ! So long ago ...

https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com ... ournaments
It also was the golden age when the programs had distinct variations in style. Now it's basically the Stepford Wives in behavior.
"Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." (Dune - 1984)

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Re: What a fun in those times!

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Vinvin wrote:Yes, this was the golden age for computer chess !
The race between humans and engines ! So long ago ...

https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com ... ournaments
Remember May 94? The "Munich Intel Express blitz '5"

http://www.365chess.com/tournaments/Mun ... tz_'5_1994

Sorry URL was not working correctly.


Fritz 3 on a Pentium 90 beat them all so it was starting to happen then on a small scale.
"Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." (Dune - 1984)

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Re: What a fun in those times!

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reflectionofpower wrote: Remember May 94? The "Munich Intel Express blitz '5"

http://www.365chess.com/tournaments/Mun ... tz_'5_1994

Sorry URL was not working correctly.

Fritz 3 on a Pentium 90 beat them all so it was starting to happen then on a small scale.
I used to use Fritz 3.10 on a Windows 98 computer in 1998.
I never had a proper manual for it, and could not find out how to increase the hash size from its low value.
It runs ok in DOSbox, but still has the low hash value.

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Re: What a fun in those times!

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Colin-G wrote:
reflectionofpower wrote: Remember May 94? The "Munich Intel Express blitz '5"

http://www.365chess.com/tournaments/Mun ... tz_'5_1994

Sorry URL was not working correctly.

Fritz 3 on a Pentium 90 beat them all so it was starting to happen then on a small scale.
I used to use Fritz 3.10 on a Windows 98 computer in 1998.
I never had a proper manual for it, and could not find out how to increase the hash size from its low value.
It runs ok in DOSbox, but still has the low hash value.

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I KNOW I have seen places where you could download the old manuals but I can't find it at the moment. Post the request here I am sure some chess squirrel has it buried somewhere.
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Re: What a fun in those times!

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Colin-G wrote:I never had a proper manual for it, and could not find out how to increase the hash size from its low value.
It runs ok in DOSbox, but still has the low hash value.
For starting Fritz3 with full hash, use "fritz3/x". There is no special configuration for config.sys or autoexec.bat needed.

I'm still using many DOS programs, but with todays speed. It would be interesting to see a tournament with some
stronger DOS programs under 3.3 GHz or more against top players.
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Re: What a fun in those times!

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Hi,
indeed Fritz3 requires /x parameter to gain access to extended memory for large hash size.
You may specify the size, eg: fritz3 /x16384

But using DosBox you will in addition need to disable memory drivers, either in your globlal DosBox options file (useful for a quick test, but not the best way to do it as it will apply to any further DosBox program launch) or in an additional options file you will declare in your DosBox link for Fritz3, such as:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\DOSBox-0.74\DOSBox.exe" -userconf "your_path_to_Fritz 3\Fritz3.bat" -conf "your_path_to_dosbox_conf_files\nomemdrv.conf"

where Fritz3.bat contains the line:
fritz3 /x16384

and nomemdrv.conf contains the lines:
[dos]
xms=false
ems=false

Maybe using a front GUI for DosBox (such as D-Fend reloaded) you can setup same choices in a more user-friendly way...

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Re: What a fun in those times!

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Tibono wrote:Hi,
indeed Fritz3 requires /x parameter to gain access to extended memory for large hash size.
You may specify the size, eg: fritz3 /x16384

But using DosBox you will in addition need to disable memory drivers, either in your globlal DosBox options file (useful for a quick test, but not the best way to do it as it will apply to any further DosBox program launch) or in an additional options file you will declare in your DosBox link for Fritz3, such as:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\DOSBox-0.74\DOSBox.exe" -userconf "your_path_to_Fritz 3\Fritz3.bat" -conf "your_path_to_dosbox_conf_files\nomemdrv.conf"

where Fritz3.bat contains the line:
fritz3 /x16384

and nomemdrv.conf contains the lines:
[dos]
xms=false
ems=false

Maybe using a front GUI for DosBox (such as D-Fend reloaded) you can setup same choices in a more user-friendly way...

Regards,
Eric
thanks for the info.
I will try it out tomorrow.
I use DOSbox in linux. I assume the commands will be similar.
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Re: What a fun in those times!

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reflectionofpower wrote:
Vinvin wrote:Yes, this was the golden age for computer chess !
The race between humans and engines ! So long ago ...

https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com ... ournaments
It also was the golden age when the programs had distinct variations in style. Now it's basically the Stepford Wives in behavior.
Only at the top. A little lower on the ratinglist things are still fairly interesting.. and different.
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Re: What a fun in those times!

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Stan Arts wrote:
reflectionofpower wrote:
Vinvin wrote:Yes, this was the golden age for computer chess !
The race between humans and engines ! So long ago ...

https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com ... ournaments
It also was the golden age when the programs had distinct variations in style. Now it's basically the Stepford Wives in behavior.
Only at the top. A little lower on the ratinglist things are still fairly interesting.. and different.
I should have stated that because I do know it to be true so I do agree with you on this point.
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Re: What a fun in those times!

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reflectionofpower wrote:
Vinvin wrote:Yes, this was the golden age for computer chess !
The race between humans and engines ! So long ago ...

https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com ... ournaments
It also was the golden age when the programs had distinct variations in style. Now it's basically the Stepford Wives in behavior.
Exactly.

I'd now pay more for a UCI port of Socrates, MChess Pro, Chess System Tal or Virtual Chess than the latest version of Komodo/Houdini etc.

Then again, I use them as training partners (for myself and other engines/personalities), not so much for analysis.

Depends what you want I guess...