Hiarcs Chess Explorer Pro - Coming Soon! (Now Released)

[Cornfed]

I think a good chess software must have some of the features of Aquarium. Game auto-analysis is so much faster when you can use multiple instances of an engine. And analyzing positions is way better when you don't lose your evaluations. I hope, we will soon have a github movement developing a nice chess analysis and training software.

One obvious thing Chessbase lacks is the ability to go backwards from an end point in an opening line/file/book...whatever and evaluate the positions notes and auto-resort the file's lines by the engine ranking. What's it called...recursive analysis or mini-max? Anyway, to my knowledge they haven't even tried and it's simply a technical thing which should be easy to do.

What you describe is rather exactly what "Deep Position analysis" in Fritz- GUI does (not the one in cb database- GUI, the corresponding feature "Deep Analysis" of this one GUI is something quite different).

Right, I am talking about Chessbase - the program, not Fritz. Even then Fritz does not do this and you are right, "Deep Analysis" is another thing entirely.
Think the old Bookup and you will understand what I am getting at.
I often rely on Chess Position Trainer - it will take your opening, go thru the whole thing from finish to beginning (or wherever you set it to begin/stop) and reorder the variations according to strongest to weakest and not 'better' moves based on your saying to do so with some computer eval...like +.33.

[peter]

Think the old Bookup and you will understand what I am getting at.
I often rely on Chess Position Trainer - it will take your opening, go thru the whole thing from finish to beginning (or wherever you set it to begin/stop) and reorder the variations according to strongest to weakest and not 'better' moves based on your saying to do so with some computer eval...like +.33.

You can reorder your variations any way you like, with and without engine- support, but you cannot demand nor expect from any engine to do anything else but evaluate moves and positions based on its logarithms, with or without backward, with or without multiPV, with or without GUI sorting the results by minimax at the end, so what?

Engine of course has to sort moves and lines based on evals, so you cannot demand nor expect from any GUI neither to do anything else then sort by the
engines' evals as well. No evaluation of GUI's own, no human evaluation without human intercourse.

Interactive analysis together with engine based on your own human evaluation is one thing, automatic GUI- features are something else.
I thought it was that we were talking about.
You came up with chessbase, Fritz is a chessbase- GUI, I told you, what Fritz Deep Position Analysis does, cause you wrote, what cb as for your opinion wouldn't do, even if Fritz by cb does exactly what you wrote, you would want it to.
If you don't like it, no problem for me, if you don't know it, I, who knows it from years of practical experience with it, can recommend to give it a try, even if there has to be some exercise to acquire the full benefit, just as with any other powerful GUI- feature like that of IdEA by Aquarium, or any other one of Shredder, Arena, Banksia, HCE. That's all I wanted to contribute, no advertising no adversion for or against companies nor programs regards

[Cornfed]

Engine of course has to sort moves and lines based on evals, so you cannot demand nor expect from any GUI neither to do anything else then sort by the
engines' evals as well. No evaluation of GUI's own, no human evaluation without human intercourse.

Interactive analysis together with engine based on your own human evaluation is one thing, automatic GUI- features are something else.
I thought it was that we were talking about.
You came up with chessbase, Fritz is a chessbase- GUI, I told you, what Fritz Deep Position Analysis does, cause you wrote, what cb as for your opinion wouldn't do, even if Fritz by cb does exactly what you wrote, you would want it to.
If you don't like it, no problem for me, if you don't know it, I, who knows it from years of practical experience with it, can recommend to give it a try, even if there has to be some exercise to acquire the full benefit, just as with any other powerful GUI- feature like that of IdEA by Aquarium, or any other one of Shredder, Arena, Banksia, HCE. That's all I wanted to contribute, no advertising no adversion for or against companies nor programs regards

Sorry, your English got really...choppy toward the end. You lost me, but it's okay.

I was agreeing with Shahrad and opined that I felt Chessbase 16 is a wonderful program, I use it every day. I simply wish it had analysis functionality like Bookup (Chess Openings Wizard) or CPT or Aquarium or other programs which allow you to import pgn files into positional trees and then 'Backsolve'. Such a thing is a great basis upon which to begin work on ones opening repertoire.

[Shahrad]

I didn't ever use iDEA. When I play a bunch of Blitz games online, I send the games till move 14 or so to iDEA (myGames) and I have forever the evaluations . Or for example any liftetime repertoire, the same, I send all the lines to idea and bang, within seconds (using multiple instances of the same engine) I have the evaluations of all lines and I don't ever lose the evaluations (I often make backups), the evaluations are always in my tree and my tree, I love it, it shows lichess amateur tree, it shows 2675+ elo tree and chessable pgn tree , mygames tree and .... .
This is no advertisement for Aqaurium. I am using chessbase as often and even lucas chess. They all have some very good features and I would love to see all of them in ONE bug free software.
(I really should add the game analysis: min cp difference, min cp difference in %, no analysis when score above x, analysis only my moves, the first stage with depth 16 super fast marks the moves to investigate further, second stage depth 26. When for 20 online games chessbase needs 40 minutes, Aquarium takes 6 minutes .

[peter]

[I was agreeing with Shahrad and opined that I felt Chessbase 16 is a wonderful program, I use it every day. I simply wish it had analysis functionality like Bookup (Chess Openings Wizard) or CPT or Aquarium or other programs which allow you to import pgn files into positional trees and then 'Backsolve'. Such a thing is a great basis upon which to begin work on ones opening repertoire.

Sorry for having gotten a little circuitous.

Yet as for "Opening Wizard", you had a look at the features in cb 16, haven't you?
What you can do with "Surveys", "Plan Explorer", "My Moves", "Centipawn Analysis", "Tactical Analysis", "Analysis Jobs" and "Deep Analysis"? You can use any engine you've installed (even installed in Fritz only), load .pgns from any database on your hard disk, you have one of the biggest online- databases, live book, cloud- databases and access to playchess, at all together with the program, haven't you?
To say cb doesn't offer features to work on your opening repertoire with (which you can create, store and adapt in really many ways on your own preferences, as well as prepare for certain opponents out of one of the biggest databases of rated players too), such I don't understand from what you're posting not at all from my side, here my English is really missing something from your side obviously.

And to repeat it shortly again, yes, there are lots of features in Fritz, one could like to have in cb too, yet do you haven an idea, how big that GUI would get having the best of both in one?
Nevermind, of course everything has its merits and lacks for the preferences of each and every user, but having so many good GUIs, and HCE was already and is now even more one of the best ones for sure, e.g. just as for the abo- online- books, why not take the best out of each one GUI we have, instead of wishing for the one and only "Eier legende Wollmilchsau" as we have a German saying?

[Cornfed]

[I was agreeing with Shahrad and opined that I felt Chessbase 16 is a wonderful program, I use it every day. I simply wish it had analysis functionality like Bookup (Chess Openings Wizard) or CPT or Aquarium or other programs which allow you to import pgn files into positional trees and then 'Backsolve'. Such a thing is a great basis upon which to begin work on ones opening repertoire.

Sorry for having gotten a little circuitous.

Yet as for "Opening Wizard", you had a look at the features in cb 16, haven't you?
What you can do with "Surveys", "Plan Explorer", "My Moves", "Centipawn Analysis", "Tactical Analysis", "Analysis Jobs" and "Deep Analysis"? You can use any engine you've installed (even installed in Fritz only), load .pgns from any database on your hard disk, you have one of the biggest online- databases, live book, cloud- databases and access to playchess, at all together with the program, haven't you?
To say cb doesn't offer features to work on your opening repertoire with (which you can create, store and adapt in really many ways on your own preferences, as well as prepare for certain opponents out of one of the biggest databases of rated players too), such I don't understand from what you're posting not at all from my side, here my English is really missing something from your side obviously.

And to repeat it shortly again, yes, there are lots of features in Fritz, one could like to have in cb too, yet do you haven an idea, how big that GUI would get having the best of both in one?
Nevermind, of course everything has its merits and lacks for the preferences of each and every user, but having so many good GUIs, and HCE was already and is now even more one of the best ones for sure, e.g. just as for the abo- online- books, why not take the best out of each one GUI we have, instead of wishing for the one and only "Eier legende Wollmilchsau" as we have a German saying?

Peter...STOP PLEASE!
I did not say or intimate any of the things you just said! Particularly what I highlight in your remarks. Why do wish to take things in that direction?? Once again, I simply said I wish Chessbase 16 (I've had every version since...think CB 8) had the specific functionality I mentioned. That is all. Full stop.

[peter]

Sorry for having gotten a little circuitous.

Peter...STOP PLEASE!
I did not say or intimate any of the things you just said! Particularly what I highlight in your remarks. Why do wish to take things in that direction?? Once again, I simply said I wish Chessbase 16 (I've had every version since...think CB 8) had the specific functionality I mentioned. That is all. Full stop.

Ok, no problem regards

[Zerbinati]

I believe the GUI has a bug in handling CTG books
Human versus motor the book is used correctly
engine versus engine the moves are analyzed from the first move and the engines do not use the book assigned to them.

[Jonathan003]

Chessbase 16 has an option to search a big cbh database with million of games for games with opening lines in your white of black repertoire.
It doesn't work perfect but it douse a reasonable good job.
The problem is that it is very slow, for a database with 20,0000,000 games it wil take about 48 hours on my pc, to do a search this way.
Here is what the Chessbase manual says about this function:
https://help.chessbase.com/CBase/16/Eng ... 000063.htm
See at the bottom of this page, next to "In Repertoire".

And this is how to create these white and black repertoires in Chessbase 16:
https://help.chessbase.com/CBase/16/Eng ... tabase.htm
This function create merged games for every separate opening. And you can define these database as your white or your black repertoire.

Has Hiarcs Chess Explorer Pro has such functionality?
If not I want to request this for future updates.

I want to do this with a database of 100,000,000 games, so I want it to be fast and accurate.