CCRL Engine Authors' Tournament (will start October 1st)

[Modern Times]

Regular single CPU 40/4 testers don't use ChessGUI at all. Currently it is used for 4CPU games on that list, and that is it.

[Sergio Martinez]

I am not even sure the Joker version you use does support setboard. I remember having implemented that only very late, basically when I already stopped working on Joker itself, but in its spinoff Joker80 because there are so many different initialpositions for 10x8 Chess (Capablanca, Carrera, Bird, Gothic, Embassy, Schoolbook). Once I had the FEN reader I also ported that back toJoker, but I don't remember if I ever officially released that. Which version exactly are you using?

I checked the 1.1.14 games.
I guess it's possible that I may have used the wb2uci adapters though.

A last note here. This is one reason why only CCRL can efficiently check the game databases for this issue.
'We' don't know when WB2UCI was used and the second reason is that 40/4 games are not available with comments,
the third one would be that we cannot know when ChessGUI was used, except perhaps by typical PGN output.
For programs capable of UCI + WB I guess CCRL always uses UCI?

40/4 games are run in Arena GUI, like I said in previous post.

I dont added comment option in PGN configuration cause I dont use in my tournaments, unless someone ask me, something that has not happened in this tournament, warned on July 30,two months before the start, so if someone was interested about it, he only could have asked and I didnt see you here asking.

If there are things that you dont know you just have to ask them because it seems you do not want to know the answers and yes create your own response.

But do not worry, for anything you ignore, we are here to answer you, even though it does not appear that you had the slightest interest in the tournament until you've seen something you have not understood, but all question you want will be gladly answered.

By the way, this is a tournament outside the official list of CCRL in which more people participate, here are just Graham and I, and if you want to ask questions about CCRL and not on this tournament I suggest you choose another place , we are talking about the tournament and not on other test or tournaments, and Graham and I we are not all CCRL group, only two members, so the rest of test and database are completed with other members arent here.

Regarding the use of Chessgui, I use Arena, so all results of games published by me, mean that games are run under Arena GUI, as I repeat. As for Chessgui I think Graham and Ray has already answered you.

[Sven]

I am not even sure the Joker version you use does support setboard. I remember having implemented that only very late, basically when I already stopped working on Joker itself, but in its spinoff Joker80 because there are so many different initialpositions for 10x8 Chess (Capablanca, Carrera, Bird, Gothic, Embassy, Schoolbook). Once I had the FEN reader I also ported that back toJoker, but I don't remember if I ever officially released that. Which version exactly are you using?

I checked the 1.1.14 games.
I guess it's possible that I may have used the wb2uci adapters though.

At least Joker 1.1.14f definitely uses setboard, I use this version for my engine tests.

[Graham Banks]

Just trying out the Group E engines under ChessGUI.

Jumbo seems to run as it should.

Pigeon moves pretty much instantly every move.

Dorpsgek seems to run as it should.

Satana plays okay, but without displaying any information.

Neurone moves pretty much instantly every move.

Soberango now seems to run as it should.

Any suggestions regarding Pigeon and Neurone?

[Graham Banks]

CCRL AUTHORS GROUP B

Intel i5 Quad
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
GBSelect2016-2.cgb book
40 moves in 25 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
5 cycles 70 rounds
All engines 64-bit 1CPU where available


Final Standings

45.5 - Daydreamer 2.0p2 64-bit
44.5 - Wasp 1.25 64-bit
40.5 - Nemorino 1.02 64-bit
40.0 - Rodent II 0.9.64 64-bit
40.0 - Arasan 19.1 64-bit
36.5 - Laser 1.2 64-bit
17.0 - Amoeba 1.4 64-bit
16.0 - Tucano 6.00 64-bit


The complete tournament pgn (zipped) can be downloaded here:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=38231

[Guenther]

I am not even sure the Joker version you use does support setboard. I remember having implemented that only very late, basically when I already stopped working on Joker itself, but in its spinoff Joker80 because there are so many different initialpositions for 10x8 Chess (Capablanca, Carrera, Bird, Gothic, Embassy, Schoolbook). Once I had the FEN reader I also ported that back toJoker, but I don't remember if I ever officially released that. Which version exactly are you using?

I checked the 1.1.14 games.
I guess it's possible that I may have used the wb2uci adapters though.

A last note here. This is one reason why only CCRL can efficiently check the game databases for this issue.
'We' don't know when WB2UCI was used and the second reason is that 40/4 games are not available with comments,
the third one would be that we cannot know when ChessGUI was used, except perhaps by typical PGN output.
For programs capable of UCI + WB I guess CCRL always uses UCI?

40/4 games are run in Arena GUI, like I said in previous post.

I dont added comment option in PGN configuration cause I dont use in my tournaments, unless someone ask me, something that has not happened in this tournament, warned on July 30,two months before the start, so if someone was interested about it, he only could have asked and I didnt see you here asking.

If there are things that you dont know you just have to ask them because it seems you do not want to know the answers and yes create your own response.

But do not worry, for anything you ignore, we are here to answer you, even though it does not appear that you had the slightest interest in the tournament until you've seen something you have not understood, but all question you want will be gladly answered.

By the way, this is a tournament outside the official list of CCRL in which more people participate, here are just Graham and I, and if you want to ask questions about CCRL and not on this tournament I suggest you choose another place , we are talking about the tournament and not on other test or tournaments, and Graham and I we are not all CCRL group, only two members, so the rest of test and database are completed with other members arent here.

Regarding the use of Chessgui, I use Arena, so all results of games published by me, mean that games are run under Arena GUI, as I repeat. As for Chessgui I think Graham and Ray has already answered you.

Your unfriendly comments are completely out of place. This thread is since a while not only about what you or Graham had done in this thread
and I did 'not choose this place' it just happened here.
You can ask moderation about splitting that issue if you hate to see people talking about it in this thread though.
We have just discovered a huge problem which could concern ALL CCRL games (with ChessGUI and xboard engines involved).
Inbetween a few minutes I could prove that at least an other program than Schooner was hitten by that problem.
That's why I mentioned the 40/4 games (ALL of them!) which are w/o comments for download at the CCRL site.
(The 40/40 games can be downloaded with comments to be checked)

Do you really want to say ALL 40/4 games ever played for CCRL are only played with Arena?
May be you can also answer if no game ever at 40/4 or 40/40 for CCRL was played in ChessGUI?
(IMHO a good suggestion would be to add a GUI tag at least for testers/organisations who use several GUIs)

Either you did not follow the thread for a while or you deliberately tried to missunderstand me.

For the record and your information again this and my post before is/was generally about ALL CCRL games...

A last question. I tried to download the 40/40 commented database (which always worked in the past),
but now for days the download always stops between 50 and 100MB long before finished. Any idea about the problem?

Guenther

[Graham Banks]

........We have just discovered a huge problem which could concern ALL CCRL games (with ChessGUI and xboard engines involved)..........

No - have you read any of my comments?

Previous versions of Schooner were fine, as are all of the winboard engines that are currently being tested by me.

If there was an issue, I'd have alerted the engine author concerned and stopped official testing.

As most of my games are broadcast live and watched by others, they are quick to point any perceived issues.
I make all of my pgns available and can send debug files to engine authors if there are any issues.

I feel that ChessGUI is being unfairly maligned here.

Graham.

[Guenther]

........We have just discovered a huge problem which could concern ALL CCRL games (with ChessGUI and xboard engines involved)..........

No - have you read any of my comments?

Previous versions of Schooner were fine, as are all of the winboard engines that are currently being tested by me.

If there was an issue, I'd have alerted the engine author concerned and stopped official testing.

As most of my games are broadcast live and watched by others, they are quick to point any perceived issues.
I make all of my pgns available and can send debug files to engine authors if there are any issues.

I feel that ChessGUI is being unfairly maligned here.

Graham.

Graham, why is it so hard to simply answer some questions, which should be clear meanwhile?
(Your answer above doesn't help much.)
Why do you still think it is mainly about Schooner?
Haven't you ever looked at the example of FranMad I showed??
(this games obviously were for the CCRL rating list)

1. Are you the only who ever tested in ChessGUI for CCRl?
2. If yes,
a) how to find out which games were that?
b) if no - what then?
3. You said 'most' games were broadcasted, but what about the games
when a) no author watched?
b) it was not broadcasted?
c) games were played before you started broadcasting at all?
4. How to know when xboard and not uci or wb2uci was used accept checking of all games?
5. and other just logical questions as a consequence of all above...

This is not the inquisition and not about condemning ChessGUI, but the abscence of interest in this problem is a bit weird IMHO.

I guess now there simply is and never was a problem and I regret that I ever helped Dennis to find out what happened in this thread...

Guenther

[Graham Banks]

........We have just discovered a huge problem which could concern ALL CCRL games (with ChessGUI and xboard engines involved)..........

No - have you read any of my comments?

Previous versions of Schooner were fine, as are all of the winboard engines that are currently being tested by me.

If there was an issue, I'd have alerted the engine author concerned and stopped official testing.

As most of my games are broadcast live and watched by others, they are quick to point any perceived issues.
I make all of my pgns available and can send debug files to engine authors if there are any issues.

I feel that ChessGUI is being unfairly maligned here.

Graham.

Graham, why is it so hard to simply answer some questions, which should be clear meanwhile?
(Your answer above doesn't help much.)
Why do you still think it is mainly about Schooner?
Haven't you ever looked at the example of FranMad I showed??
(this games obviously were for the CCRL rating list)

1. Are you the only who ever tested in ChessGUI for CCRl?
2. If yes,
a) how to find out which games were that?
b) if no - what then?
3. You said 'most' games were broadcasted, but what about the games
when a) no author watched?
b) it was not broadcasted?
c) games were played before you started broadcasting at all?
4. How to know when xboard and not uci or wb2uci was used accept checking of all games?
5. and other just logical questions as a consequence of all above...

This is not the inquisition and not about condemning ChessGUI, but the abscence of interest in this problem is a bit weird IMHO.

I guess now there simply is and never was a problem and I regret that I ever helped Dennis to find out what happened in this thread...

Guenther

All you're doing is putting me off testing Winboard engines full-stop.

I'll see if I can get some of the Winboard engine authors to come and post that there isn't a problem so that I can get you guys off my back.

Talk about trying to kill one's enjoyment of testing.

[Modern Times]

A last question. I tried to download the 40/40 commented database (which always worked in the past),
but now for days the download always stops between 50 and 100MB long before finished. Any idea about the problem?

Guenther

I just tried as well and it doesn't work. We changed the web hosting a few months ago, I think we'll have to move back to the previous one.