Misinformation being spread

[SchachProfi]

> It is strongly advised to look at the many other rating lists available in
> order to get a more accurate overall picture of an engine's rating relative to others.

That's what i call a good advice, still wouldn't it be easier to simply include Houdini and Ivanhoe and the others in your tests?

Anyways, your still my buddy Graham, i appreciate your work - also your opinions sometimes may differ of mine.

Alex

[Graham Banks]

> It is strongly advised to look at the many other rating lists available in
> order to get a more accurate overall picture of an engine's rating relative to others.

That's what i call a good advice, still wouldn't it be easier to simply include Houdini and Ivanhoe and the others in your tests?

Anyways, your still my buddy Graham, i appreciate your work - also your opinions sometimes may differ of mine.

Alex

People all have their own opinions on these engines. I think that in most cases, those opinions are unlikely to change without further information.
In my opinion, it's come to the point where people on both sides should just respect that fact and try to treat each other with some civility.

Cheers,
Graham.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Graham,

let us simulate that the other testers in CCRL have interest to test IPP family engines. What's with yourself? What's your opinion?

The World is broken?
CCRL is bad? Now I lost my interest!
Let the others test such things, I have no interest to do it?

So what?

Quiz question for yourself and the other testers in CCRL:
What should an engine do?

Possible answers:

1. Give me material for a discuss with myself around my life!
Thorsten Czub syndrom ... if I read what Thorsten wrote in the latest years!

2. Give me material to create a good / bad guys situation!
It seems that this syndrom a lot of people have.

3. Give me a chance for an excuse for the girlfriend / wife (what the chess players have). So I can spend the night with computer chesss.

4. Should play chess!

Right!
4 is right!

Best
Frank

In SWCR Champions-League 2011 IvanHoe B49jA x64 is starting for Bermuda. It's often an "Bermuda-Missing-Engine". See it with humor and start your complete list of engines!

SWCR Champions-League 2011
http://www.amateurschach.de/swcr/_swcr- ... e-2011.htm

[Graham Banks]

> It is strongly advised to look at the many other rating lists available in
> order to get a more accurate overall picture of an engine's rating relative to others.

That's what i call a good advice, still wouldn't it be easier to simply include Houdini and Ivanhoe and the others in your tests?

Anyways, your still my buddy Graham, i appreciate your work - also your opinions sometimes may differ of mine.

Alex

I should qualify what I wrote further because I want to be clearer.
Some CCRL members have tested these engines privately and Martin even publishes his results. That's fine with all CCRL members.

However, in order not to cause division within the group (which this issue has the potential to do), members have agreed not to test these engines for our rating lists. So whereas we pride ourselves on testers being able to choose which engines to test, group togetherness is sometimes a much more important issue. "Conscience" was probably the wrong word to use, but hopefully you get my drift.

Cheers,
Graham.

[SchachProfi]

Frank, i like your post, good to read open-minded people here

@Graham+others: Just look how Houdini with black(!) knocked down Rybka in a lazy Four Knights at the current TCEC (http://www.tcec-chess.org/div_i.php , can a simply clone be capable of this? - i doubt it):

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Bb4 6. Nxc6 bxc6 7. Bd3 d5 8. exd5 Qe7+ 9. Qe2 Qxe2+ 10. Kxe2 cxd5 11. Bd2 O-O 12. Nb5 Bxd2 13. Kxd2 c5 14. b3 Rd8 15. Rhe1 Rb8 16. Nxa7 Bd7 17. Bf5 Bxf5 18. Nc6 Ne4+ 19. Ke3 Nd6 20. Kd2 Kf8 21. a4 Be6 22. a5 Ke8 23. Nxb8 Rxb8 24. a6 Ra8 25. a7 Kd7 26. b4 c4 27. Ra5 Kc6 28. Rea1 Nb5 29. h4 c3+ 30. Ke3 g6 31. h5 Bf5 32. Ra6+ Kb7 33. R6a5 Nxa7 34. b5 Re8+ 35. Kd4 Nc8 36. hxg6 Re4+ 37. Kxc3 Rc4+ 38. Kb2 Rxc2+ 39. Kb3 Bxg6 40. R1a2 Rc7 41. Ra6 d4 42. Rc6 Rd7 43. Rc5 d3 44. Rd2 Na7 45. b6 Kxb6 46. Kc4 Nc6 47. Rb2+ Kc7 48. Ra2 Rd6 49. Rd2 Re6 50. Rxd3 Bxd3+ 51. Kxd3 Re5 52. Rc1 Kd6 53. Rh1 h5 54. g3 Rc5 55. Ke2 Ke6 56. Rh4 f6 57. Ke1 Kf7 58. Kf1 Kg6 59. g4 hxg4 60. Rxg4+ Kf5 61. Rh4 Rc2 62. Kg2 Ne5 63. Kg3 Rc3+ 64. Kg2 Nd3 65. Rh8 Nf4+ 0-1