Komodo MP status?

[lkaufman]

The Critter - Komodo 100-game match is in progress right now. (I always refer to the matches in alphabetical order so no bias is perceived.) As of now, after 20 rounds, Critter is losing by -3, which will help Komodo in its ratings if it wins the match. And do not forget, there have only been 200 games played; nothing of any value should be extracted quite yet. Lots of fun for me as a tester.

You always list Critter first! That is not fair!

ehehehe. Yes, and poor Stockfish will almost always be mentioned last. I suppose it is biased that I use the English language to choose the order of alphabetization? ha

Maybe we should start spelling Komodo with a "C" instead of a "K" to improve our standing!

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

The Critter - Komodo 100-game match is in progress right now. (I always refer to the matches in alphabetical order so no bias is perceived.) As of now, after 20 rounds, Critter is losing by -3, which will help Komodo in its ratings if it wins the match. And do not forget, there have only been 200 games played; nothing of any value should be extracted quite yet. Lots of fun for me as a tester.

You always list Critter first! That is not fair!

ehehehe. Yes, and poor Stockfish will almost always be mentioned last. I suppose it is biased that I use the English language to choose the order of alphabetization? ha

Thanks God Zzzzz in not participating in your matches

[Dragulic]

we need 29 elo to catch Houdini

I say, release, do not micromeasure vs Houbka.

Delay, you can find R5 has distanced your goalpost in a significant way. Progression of R1b - R2 - R3 - R4.1 was almost linear at STC.

[lkaufman]

Don't worry, once we get MP working properly we'll release, regardless of the elo of the basic version at that time.

[Uri Blass]

His list shows we need 29 elo to catch Houdini at 10 + 10, so I agree, we need another ten elo to be number one at that level. This may not be the case with MP however, we'll have to wait and see.

Note that you need more than 30 elo improvement to catch houdini1.5 at CEGT 40/20 or at CCRL 40/40 and the gap in both lists now is 35 or 36 elo.




http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%2 ... liste.html

15 Houdini 1.5a x64 1CPU 3019 14 14 1631
27 Komodo 4.0 x64 1CPU 2983 14 14 1299


http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/40 ... t_all.html


1 Houdini 1.5a 64-bit 3253 +17 −17 64.1%
2 Komodo 4 64-bit SSE 3218 +17 −17 63.0%

[lkaufman]

His list shows we need 29 elo to catch Houdini at 10 + 10, so I agree, we need another ten elo to be number one at that level. This may not be the case with MP however, we'll have to wait and see.

Note that you need more than 30 elo improvement to catch houdini1.5 at CEGT 40/20 or at CCRL 40/40 and the gap in both lists now is 35 or 36 elo.

This is because both lists show Houdini 1.5 to be 10 to 13 elo stronger than Houdini 2.0! So we only need about 25 elo to pass Houdini 2.0 on these lists, but another ten to pass 1.5! I think this means that it is quite likely that our next release will surpass Houdini 2.0 but not 1.5 on these lists!




http://www.husvankempen.de/nunn/40_40%2 ... liste.html

15 Houdini 1.5a x64 1CPU 3019 14 14 1631
27 Komodo 4.0 x64 1CPU 2983 14 14 1299


http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/40 ... t_all.html


1 Houdini 1.5a 64-bit 3253 +17 −17 64.1%
2 Komodo 4 64-bit SSE 3218 +17 −17 63.0%

[MM]

His list shows we need 29 elo to catch Houdini at 10 + 10, so I agree, we need another ten elo to be number one at that level. This may not be the case with MP however, we'll have to wait and see.

Note that you need more than 30 elo improvement to catch houdini1.5 at CEGT 40/20 or at CCRL 40/40 and the gap in both lists now is 35 or 36 elo.

This is because both lists show Houdini 1.5 to be 10 to 13 elo stronger than Houdini 2.0! So we only need about 25 elo to pass Houdini 2.0 on these lists, but another ten to pass 1.5! I think this means that it is quite likely that our next release will surpass Houdini 2.0 but not 1.5 on these lists!

Do you expect to have right now 25 elo margin on Komodo 4.0 to overtake Houdini and if not how much time do you think it could take?

Regards

[lkaufman]

His list shows we need 29 elo to catch Houdini at 10 + 10, so I agree, we need another ten elo to be number one at that level. This may not be the case with MP however, we'll have to wait and see.

Note that you need more than 30 elo improvement to catch houdini1.5 at CEGT 40/20 or at CCRL 40/40 and the gap in both lists now is 35 or 36 elo.

This is because both lists show Houdini 1.5 to be 10 to 13 elo stronger than Houdini 2.0! So we only need about 25 elo to pass Houdini 2.0 on these lists, but another ten to pass 1.5! I think this means that it is quite likely that our next release will surpass Houdini 2.0 but not 1.5 on these lists!

Do you expect to have right now 25 elo margin on Komodo 4.0 to overtake Houdini and if not how much time do you think it could take?

Regards

I think we are in the 20 to 25 range now, going up about 2 elo per week.

[MM]

His list shows we need 29 elo to catch Houdini at 10 + 10, so I agree, we need another ten elo to be number one at that level. This may not be the case with MP however, we'll have to wait and see.

Note that you need more than 30 elo improvement to catch houdini1.5 at CEGT 40/20 or at CCRL 40/40 and the gap in both lists now is 35 or 36 elo.

This is because both lists show Houdini 1.5 to be 10 to 13 elo stronger than Houdini 2.0! So we only need about 25 elo to pass Houdini 2.0 on these lists, but another ten to pass 1.5! I think this means that it is quite likely that our next release will surpass Houdini 2.0 but not 1.5 on these lists!

Do you expect to have right now 25 elo margin on Komodo 4.0 to overtake Houdini and if not how much time do you think it could take?

Regards

I think we are in the 20 to 25 range now, going up about 2 elo per week.

Excellent

I bet on a Komodo stronger than Houdini even a blitz 5'+3''. I made many tests with Komodo 4.0 and the trend is that one. Then with the new Komodo....(i talk about head to head match).

Best wishes

[lkaufman]

His list shows we need 29 elo to catch Houdini at 10 + 10, so I agree, we need another ten elo to be number one at that level. This may not be the case with MP however, we'll have to wait and see.

Note that you need more than 30 elo improvement to catch houdini1.5 at CEGT 40/20 or at CCRL 40/40 and the gap in both lists now is 35 or 36 elo.

This is because both lists show Houdini 1.5 to be 10 to 13 elo stronger than Houdini 2.0! So we only need about 25 elo to pass Houdini 2.0 on these lists, but another ten to pass 1.5! I think this means that it is quite likely that our next release will surpass Houdini 2.0 but not 1.5 on these lists!

Do you expect to have right now 25 elo margin on Komodo 4.0 to overtake Houdini and if not how much time do you think it could take?

Regards

I think we are in the 20 to 25 range now, going up about 2 elo per week.

Excellent

I bet on a Komodo stronger than Houdini even a blitz 5'+3''. I made many tests with Komodo 4.0 and the trend is that one. Then with the new Komodo....(i talk about head to head match).

Best wishes

I think you and many others have noticed that in general Komodo does better against Houdini in direct matches than would be predicted by ratings at similar time limits. I now think I know why. Houdini uses an unusually large contempt value, probably chosen to maximize its rating on the lists. This is good strategy when playing much weaker engines, but bad strategy when playing near-equals. We could raise our ratings by also using similar large contempt, but this would hurt in direct matches with Houdini. Probably we will raise it, maybe from 5 to 10. It will still be way lower than Houdini, which appears to use 29 as default.