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Re: Move 15

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tano-urayoan wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:Check out whether you like the look of this continuation - 15...Be4 16. Bd3 BxB 17.cxB g6 18.Qe2 Qa5 19.a3, Rab8; 20.Rfc1, Rb3.
I like this line Graham. So if after 17...g6 maybe 18. Qc5 Rc8 19. Qa3 What you think of this?
15...Be4 16. Bd3 BxB 17.cxB g6 18.Qc5 poses bigger problems for Black and might be a good argument against the 15....Be4 line unless we can find a good continuation for Black.
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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Christopher Conkie wrote:
1. Get yourself a copy of Chessmaster 4000. (Now you know what it will play)
2. Give the position to the top 5 chess engines of today.
3. Choose a move by consensus of the top 5 chess engines.
4. Play that move.
5. Sit back.....relax

I'll say it again loud and clear.

a5

Christopher
This seems like a lot of work for just a move... ok it will not play Bd3 then what will be the move after a5. Rfc1?h3? a3?
But what if it gets a short circuit, voltage outrage, and plays Bd3, g6 and then...
P.d. Is a5 the move of the top 5 engines?
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Re: Move 16

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Zach Wegner wrote:It's not really clear what to do here. I don't think g6 is necessary yet, it just pushes the pawn for no reason. It's a good response to Bd3, but it hasn't played that yet. I don't really like Be4 or a5 either...

Just to throw a wrench in the works, what about d5? This might invite a series of stupid computer moves: 16. Bc5 c6 17. Bb4 a5 18. Bc3, and we can play maybe Qc7 or Qb6. We get a bit more space and put pressure on the queen side.

PS. If it really comes down to Be4, g6, and a5 I prefer a5.
15.....d5; 16.Bd3, g6; 17.Qg4 still looks good for White.
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Re: Move 16

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Zach Wegner wrote:It's not really clear what to do here. I don't think g6 is necessary yet, it just pushes the pawn for no reason. It's a good response to Bd3, but it hasn't played that yet. I don't really like Be4 or a5 either...

Just to throw a wrench in the works, what about d5? This might invite a series of stupid computer moves: 16. Bc5 c6 17. Bb4 a5 18. Bc3, and we can play maybe Qc7 or Qb6. We get a bit more space and put pressure on the queen side.

PS. If it really comes down to Be4, g6, and a5 I prefer a5.
15... d5 16 Bc5 c6? don't we have a bishop already in c6? Also the bishop in c5 attacks our f8 rook.
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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tano-urayoan wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:
1. Get yourself a copy of Chessmaster 4000. (Now you know what it will play)
2. Give the position to the top 5 chess engines of today.
3. Choose a move by consensus of the top 5 chess engines.
4. Play that move.
5. Sit back.....relax

I'll say it again loud and clear.

a5

Christopher
This seems like a lot of work for just a move... ok it will not play Bd3 then what will be the move after a5. Rfc1?h3? a3?
But what if it gets a short circuit, voltage outrage, and plays Bd3, g6 and then...
P.d. Is a5 the move of the top 5 engines?
3 of them. I don't have all 5 of the current ones.

The real point rather than using software is.....to pull the chess computer out of position.

Many people like to play a move they think of. The best hint one can give to defeating a 2240 chess computer like the TASC R30 is to play almost accurate flank moves. It knows nothing about the sides of the board. It is a very centre orientated machine.

If in doubt....head for the side and a5 fits that criteria nicely.

Christopher
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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tano-urayoan wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote:
1. Get yourself a copy of Chessmaster 4000. (Now you know what it will play)
2. Give the position to the top 5 chess engines of today.
3. Choose a move by consensus of the top 5 chess engines.
4. Play that move.
5. Sit back.....relax

I'll say it again loud and clear.

a5

Christopher
This seems like a lot of work for just a move... ok it will not play Bd3 then what will be the move after a5. Rfc1?h3? a3?
But what if it gets a short circuit, voltage outrage, and plays Bd3, g6 and then...
P.d. Is a5 the move of the top 5 engines?
15.....a5; 16.Rfd1 perhaps?
What is the plan behind a5?
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Re: Move 16

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tano-urayoan wrote:
Zach Wegner wrote:It's not really clear what to do here. I don't think g6 is necessary yet, it just pushes the pawn for no reason. It's a good response to Bd3, but it hasn't played that yet. I don't really like Be4 or a5 either...

Just to throw a wrench in the works, what about d5? This might invite a series of stupid computer moves: 16. Bc5 c6 17. Bb4 a5 18. Bc3, and we can play maybe Qc7 or Qb6. We get a bit more space and put pressure on the queen side.

PS. If it really comes down to Be4, g6, and a5 I prefer a5.
15... d5 16 Bc5 c6? don't we have a bishop already in c6? Also the bishop in c5 attacks our f8 rook.
Oops, I was writing that from memory, and shifted the files over. I meant to write e5 and d6... :oops:
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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Christopher Conkie wrote: The real point rather than using software is.....to pull the chess computer out of position.

Many people like to play a move they think of. The best hint one can give to defeating a 2240 chess computer like the TASC R30 is to play almost accurate flank moves. It knows nothing about the sides of the board. It is a very centre orientated machine.

If in doubt....head for the side and a5 fits that criteria nicely.

Christopher
We're a pawn down and so seeking active play is our best chance of getting a good result.
What is the plan or ideas behind a5 (other than your anti-computer theory)?
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Re: How to beat the TASC R30 (1993)

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Ok you had me at hello...

but if it likes center then a move like Bd3 ( a direct threat) will be highly considered?
Could we start cheating anyone with a Tasc R30? just joking
the problem is Bd3 g6 (forced) maybe a4 (idea of Ra5) or Kg7?
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Re: Move 16

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Zach Wegner wrote:It's not really clear what to do here. I don't think g6 is necessary yet, it just pushes the pawn for no reason. It's a good response to Bd3, but it hasn't played that yet. I don't really like Be4 or a5 either...

Just to throw a wrench in the works, what about d5? This might invite a series of stupid computer moves: 16. Bc5 c6 17. Bb4 a5 18. Bc3, and we can play maybe Qc7 or Qb6. We get a bit more space and put pressure on the queen side.

PS. If it really comes down to Be4, g6, and a5 I prefer a5.
I looked at ...d5 a little if you scroll back a bit in the discussion, but not thoroughly. If you come up with improvements that is cool. ...g6 does look a bit odd, which is why I did not look at it at first. The idea is that you will have to do that weakening move anyway if white plays Bd3, and if you do it now many of the spots white may want his queen (such as g4) free black to develop his queen nicely with ...Qa5. Graham summarized the advantages of the resulting types of positions much better than I.

-Sam