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M ANSARI wrote:Anand seems to be amazingly timid in his games. It is almost as if he is overriding his instincts and playing inferior moves that have little tactical danger. Why on earth he is doing that is beyond me, as he is one of the strongest tactical players on earth, and complications can only work to his advantage. Having said that, Gelfand really seems to have prepared incredibly well against Anand and that seems to have leveled the playing field.
Do you mean it's as if Alekhine was doing this?
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
tano-urayoan wrote:Game 10
Anand vs Gelfand
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 e6 4. Bxc6 bxc6 5. b3 e5 6. Nxe5 Qe7 7. Bb2 d6 8. Nc4 d5 9. Ne3 d4 10. Nc4 Qxe4+ 11. Qe2 Qxe2+ 12. Kxe2 Be6 13. d3 Nf6 14. Nbd2 O-O-O 15. Rhe1 Be7 16. Kf1 Rhe8 17. Ba3 Nd5 18. Ne4 Nb4 19. Re2 Bxc4 20. bxc4 f5 21. Bxb4 cxb4 22. Nd2 Bd6 23. Rxe8 Rxe8 24. Nb3 c5 25. a3 1/2-1/2

Final Position

[d]2k1r3/p5pp/3b4/2p2p2/1pPp4/PN1P4/2P2PPP/R4K2 b - - 0 25

Nothing much to talk about this game.
A classic GM short game of chess with a draw outcome :roll:

Gelfand must press for a win in the last two games....

If the tie breaks kicks off, he'll most probably go home without the title he's fighting for....
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Why would you say this?
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M ANSARI wrote:Anand seems to be amazingly timid in his games. It is almost as if he is overriding his instincts and playing inferior moves that have little tactical danger. Why on earth he is doing that is beyond me, as he is one of the strongest tactical players on earth, and complications can only work to his advantage. Having said that, Gelfand really seems to have prepared incredibly well against Anand and that seems to have leveled the playing field.
What is he meant to do?

Most probably Anand already knows himself inside out,

He also knows chess inside out,

and he can see what the truth is and what outcomes would be if he did this or that, and against who.

Where do you go from there?
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S.Taylor wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
tano-urayoan wrote:Game 10
Anand vs Gelfand
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 e6 4. Bxc6 bxc6 5. b3 e5 6. Nxe5 Qe7 7. Bb2 d6 8. Nc4 d5 9. Ne3 d4 10. Nc4 Qxe4+ 11. Qe2 Qxe2+ 12. Kxe2 Be6 13. d3 Nf6 14. Nbd2 O-O-O 15. Rhe1 Be7 16. Kf1 Rhe8 17. Ba3 Nd5 18. Ne4 Nb4 19. Re2 Bxc4 20. bxc4 f5 21. Bxb4 cxb4 22. Nd2 Bd6 23. Rxe8 Rxe8 24. Nb3 c5 25. a3 1/2-1/2

Final Position

[d]2k1r3/p5pp/3b4/2p2p2/1pPp4/PN1P4/2P2PPP/R4K2 b - - 0 25

Nothing much to talk about this game.
A classic GM short game of chess with a draw outcome :roll:

Gelfand must press for a win in the last two games....

If the tie breaks kicks off, he'll most probably go home without the title he's fighting for....
Dr.D
Why would you say this?
Because Anand is so dangerous at shorter time controls....

It's a well known fact....
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
tano-urayoan wrote:Game 10
Anand vs Gelfand
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 e6 4. Bxc6 bxc6 5. b3 e5 6. Nxe5 Qe7 7. Bb2 d6 8. Nc4 d5 9. Ne3 d4 10. Nc4 Qxe4+ 11. Qe2 Qxe2+ 12. Kxe2 Be6 13. d3 Nf6 14. Nbd2 O-O-O 15. Rhe1 Be7 16. Kf1 Rhe8 17. Ba3 Nd5 18. Ne4 Nb4 19. Re2 Bxc4 20. bxc4 f5 21. Bxb4 cxb4 22. Nd2 Bd6 23. Rxe8 Rxe8 24. Nb3 c5 25. a3 1/2-1/2

Final Position

[d]2k1r3/p5pp/3b4/2p2p2/1pPp4/PN1P4/2P2PPP/R4K2 b - - 0 25

Nothing much to talk about this game.
A classic GM short game of chess with a draw outcome :roll:

Gelfand must press for a win in the last two games....

If the tie breaks kicks off, he'll most probably go home without the title he's fighting for....
Dr.D
Why would you say this?
Because Anand is so dangerous at shorter time controls....

It's a well known fact....
Oh! so is this fair?
Perhaps it should be at normal time controls, AND the first one to score +2 over rival.

(this makes more sense, the plus 2 is a big difference to plus one, for several reasons if you think about it. e.g. 1). one person can always get plus one, but he must be very careful not to let it get any worse. If it gets to -2 to the loser, then we may assume he may not recover and win, even if it were several more games. But -1, is often recovered, and ballances out, like "first your turn, then my turn".)

Yes! this should be the perfect formula then!
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M ANSARI wrote:Of course this is the very place to talk about any major chess event in CCC. The world championship is what would be considered a major event in chess. Every game played is infused with hundreds if not thousands of hours of computer chess engine analysis in developing the opening strategy, and to think that computer chess has no place in human games is incredibly silly. Computer chess is all about the improvement of human chess ... and what better platform to see that happening than the human world chess championship? I can't imagine one person who is interested in computer chess that is not also interested in a human world chess championship.
Totally agree Majd. I have no idea why it was moved to CTF yesterday and then was sent back.
I'd like to believe they figured out I was correct but likely that played little or no role in there decision.

Most likely enough member complaints and/or CTF moderators influenced moving it back.
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[Event "World Chess Championship Match"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2012.05.26"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "E54"]
[WhiteElo "2727"]
[BlackElo "2791"]
[Annotator "Robot 3"]
[PlyCount "31"]
[EventDate "2012.??.??"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nf3 c5 7. O-O dxc4 8. Bxc4
Bd7 9. a3 Ba5 10. Qe2 Bc6 11. Rd1 Bxc3 12. bxc3 Nbd7 13. Bd3 Qa5 14. c4 cxd4
15. exd4 Qh5 16. Bf4 *

[d]r4rk1/pp1n1ppp/2b1pn2/7q/2PP1B2/P2B1N2/4QPPP/R2R2K1 b - - 0 16
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[Event "World Chess Championship Match"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2012.05.26"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "E54"]
[WhiteElo "2727"]
[BlackElo "2791"]
[Annotator "Robot 3"]
[PlyCount "37"]
[EventDate "2012.??.??"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nf3 c5 7. O-O dxc4 8. Bxc4
Bd7 9. a3 Ba5 10. Qe2 Bc6 11. Rd1 Bxc3 12. bxc3 Nbd7 13. Bd3 Qa5 14. c4 cxd4
15. exd4 Qh5 16. Bf4 Rac8 17. Ne5 Qxe2 18. Bxe2 Nxe5 19. Bxe5 *

[d]2r2rk1/pp3ppp/2b1pn2/4B3/2PP4/P7/4BPPP/R2R2K1 b - - 0 19
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[Event "World Chess Championship Match"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2012.05.26"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "E54"]
[WhiteElo "2727"]
[BlackElo "2791"]
[Annotator "Robot 3"]
[PlyCount "44"]
[EventDate "2012.??.??"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nf3 c5 7. O-O dxc4 8. Bxc4
Bd7 9. a3 Ba5 10. Qe2 Bc6 11. Rd1 Bxc3 12. bxc3 Nbd7 13. Bd3 Qa5 14. c4 cxd4
15. exd4 Qh5 16. Bf4 Rac8 17. Ne5 Qxe2 18. Bxe2 Nxe5 19. Bxe5 Rfd8 20. a4 Ne4
21. Rd3 f6 22. Bf4 Be8 *

[d]2rrb1k1/pp4pp/4pp2/8/P1PPnB2/3R4/4BPPP/R5K1 w - - 0 23

I don't like the outcome of the opening for white in this game.
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AdminX wrote:[Event "World Chess Championship Match"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2012.05.26"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Gelfand, Boris"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "E54"]
[WhiteElo "2727"]
[BlackElo "2791"]
[Annotator "Robot 3"]
[PlyCount "44"]
[EventDate "2012.??.??"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nf3 c5 7. O-O dxc4 8. Bxc4
Bd7 9. a3 Ba5 10. Qe2 Bc6 11. Rd1 Bxc3 12. bxc3 Nbd7 13. Bd3 Qa5 14. c4 cxd4
15. exd4 Qh5 16. Bf4 Rac8 17. Ne5 Qxe2 18. Bxe2 Nxe5 19. Bxe5 Rfd8 20. a4 Ne4
21. Rd3 f6 22. Bf4 Be8 *

[d]2rrb1k1/pp4pp/4pp2/8/P1PPnB2/3R4/4BPPP/R5K1 w - - 0 23

I don't like the outcome of the opening for white in this game.
In this position gelfand has about 20 minutes left to get to move 40!?