Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Uri Blass wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:10 am
Father wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:17 am
Uri, both your games and Larry Kaufman's that we have observed here, do not have any glaring errors... for the time controls, in my knowledge and understanding, which is no more than that of a critic and interpreter of the scientific game, they are excellent human productions of chess art... Furthermore, if we place the games of the world championships in classical time, under the magnifying glass of supercomputers, the rating will undoubtedly deteriorate for the human under a superhuman magnifying glass or beyond the human.

I disagree.
The games have tactical calculation mistakes.

In the case of my loss against human opponent I did not show the full game but only part of it when I made the mistake.
In my case I can explain pshychological reason for playing the blunder h3+ too fast because my opponent did not play a move that I considered illogical so I did not suspect that I miss something and also I had no alternative that seems to me good after not thinking much(I thought that without my h pawn white has the advantage because of better pawn structure so I did not consider except h3+ other move except Be7 that I rejected as too passive).

[d]r3r1k1/pp3p1p/2pb4/3p3q/6np/1PNPP1P1/PBR2PK1/3Q3R b - - 1 20

The unlucky thing for me is the fact that white can reply Kg1 against h3+ so the main time that I used was to look at this line earlier and did not check the line h3+ Rxh3 to see if it is correct.

In case white had no move against h3+ except Rxh3 I probably could see that Rxh3 is strong because I could check Rxh3 for more time and see that the line is bad for me and think more about other alternatives and maybe could find Qg6(cannot check it)

My opponent told me after the game that he saw the full lines with Nxd1 some moves before I played h3+ and also saw the line that I did not play Qg6 Rxh4 Nxf2(Engines claim Nxe3+ is better but Nxf2 is also winning) but hoped he is going to find something else after Qg6.

He played the last moves relatively fast because he understood he had no good alternatives and it was also a good practical decision because I had less time to think on his time.
Uri I hope you have a good morning and day, in my country it is 10:25 p.m.
I would believe that chess games are ultimately lost due to tactical errors. But also because of the psychological implosion when one is as a human being faced with a frozen computer that has no compassion for us. That is, by collapse. And what I do not observe in those positions provided are any traces of collapse. I would believe that in such tactically complex positions in front of a computer, the
miracle for humans is to revive.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Miracle for humans is to revive.
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Buenos días Marcogio.

https://github.com/Marcogio9/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard good morning. I hope you are well and continue well.
I wanted to check that when observing the number of ties registered in the user LeelaQueenOdds, a lower number of ties appears than the real one. Only with me
The result was 18 draws and 18 losses... when challenging Leela one has the alternative of placing "with points" or "friendly" is there a difference? Also in blue there are two alternatives in the text of challenges... they are different machines...: I see the opening lines differently...: Thank you very much for your help you can give me. Happy day.
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Father wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 5:39 pm Miracle for humans is to revive.
Buenos días Marcogio.

https://github.com/Marcogio9/LeelaQueenOdds-Leaderboard good morning. I hope you are well and continue well.
I wanted to check that when observing the number of ties registered in the user LeelaQueenOdds, a lower number of ties appears than the real one. Only with me
The result was 18 draws and 18 losses... when challenging Leela one has the alternative of placing "with points" or "friendly" is there a difference? Also in blue there are two alternatives in the text of challenges... they are different machines...: I see the opening lines differently...: Thank you very much for your help you can give me. Happy day.
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It's strange... only today I have 36 draws against 42 defeats for LeelaQueenOdds and the machine only registers 14 draws today... something strange happens
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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** Today I finally had the opportunity to play a significant number of bullet 1'0" games against LeelaPieceOdds facing the chess computer, the machine playing without its two rooks and without its queen. The experience has been very pleasant, and I Most incredible of all is that despite the astronomical disadvantage in material, the computer manages to beat me in the face of carelessness!! Long live the queen!!
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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Why do I play against LeelaPieces without a queen and the two rooks the machie.? 🐎

1- For the pleasure of facing AI.
2- For the joy of observing astonished that even under such astronomical differences in material, the computer continues to be "a sleeping lion."
3- For the satisfaction of being able to beat the computer, although not always under the time controls that I use, which is 1'0"
4- For having the obligation to prepare and develop a game plan and carry it out in a very short time.
5- For being able to develop the powers of logic and memory in my mind.
6- For having to be resistant in managing my own emotions.
7- For demanding that I achieve a result in the score against the machine.
8- Because it helps me understand artificial intelligence and my own intelligence.
9- For having a purpose in life.
10- For the gratitude of existing and being an intelligence in the midst of the creation made by the programmer of the finite, infinite, temporal, transient and eternal.👨‍🎓
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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I got addicted to playing it and trying to beat it. I was move away several times but panicked under time pressure.
Today, after 368 tries, I have finally beaten it. I've got 8 draws in the meantime). The opening wasn't the best (sometimes I get -7 eval and still couldn't win). At some point the computer already had a draw but tried to play for a win and I found a winning sequence.

[pgn]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
1.Nc3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bg5 Nbd7 4.Bf4 Nh5 5.Bd2 c5 6.e3 Nhf6 7.Qf3 e6 8.g4 h6 9.h4 a6 10.O-O-O b5 11.g5 hxg5 12.hxg5 Rxh1 13.Qxh1 b4 14.gxf6 bxc3 15.Bxc3 Nxf6 16.f3 Bd7 17.dxc5 Qc7 18.Rd4 Bb5 19.b4 Qc6 20.a3 a5 21.Kd2 axb4 22.axb4 Ra2 23.Rh4 d4 24.Rxd4 Nd5 25.Bxb5 Qxb5 26.Rxd5 exd5 27.Qh3 Qd7 28.Qg3 Ra8 29.Bd4 g6 30.b5 Be7 31.c6 Qf5 32.b6 Ra2 33.e4 dxe4 34.b7 e3+ 35.Ke1 Bb4+ 36.Kf1 Qb5+ 37.Kg1 Bd6 38.Qe1 Qg5+ 39.Kf1 Rxc2 40.Qxe3+ Qxe3 41.Bxe3 Rxc6 42.Ba7 Rc1+ 43.Ke2 Rb1 44.b8=Q+ Bxb8 45.Bd4 Kd7 46.Kd3 Ke6 47.Kc2 Rb5 48.Kd3 Rd5 49.Kc4 Rxd4+ 50.Kxd4 Kf5 51.Ke3 Ba7+ 52.Kd3 Kf4 53.Ke2 g5 54.Kd3 Kxf3 55.Kc4 g4 56.Kd5 g3 57.Kd6 g2 58.Ke7 g1=Q 59.Ke8 f5 60.Kf7 Qb6 61.Ke7 Qc6 62.Kf7 Qd6 63.Kg7 Qe6 64.Kf8 Qd7 65.Kg8 Qe7 66.Kh8 Bd4+ 67.Kg8 Qg7# 0-1[/pgn]

I thought I would beat it more often but I am just very slow and weak. The thought that I can't win with N odds was torturing me and today the torture is over!

Playing it is an eye opening experience. I can't count the number of clever tricks, strategic traps and fairly tale resources it found.
It often outplayed me strategically with a bishop pair being rook down in an endgame by just blocking all my pieces and advancing its pawns. It made me realize how deep and beautiful the game is!
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Re: Amazing results of LeelaKnightOdds-Dev

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OneTrickPony wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 12:00 am I got addicted to playing it and trying to beat it. I was move away several times but panicked under time pressure.
Today, after 368 tries, I have finally beaten it. I've got 8 draws in the meantime). The opening wasn't the best (sometimes I get -7 eval and still couldn't win). At some point the computer already had a draw but tried to play for a win and I found a winning sequence.

[pgn]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1"]
1.Nc3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.Bg5 Nbd7 4.Bf4 Nh5 5.Bd2 c5 6.e3 Nhf6 7.Qf3 e6 8.g4 h6 9.h4 a6 10.O-O-O b5 11.g5 hxg5 12.hxg5 Rxh1 13.Qxh1 b4 14.gxf6 bxc3 15.Bxc3 Nxf6 16.f3 Bd7 17.dxc5 Qc7 18.Rd4 Bb5 19.b4 Qc6 20.a3 a5 21.Kd2 axb4 22.axb4 Ra2 23.Rh4 d4 24.Rxd4 Nd5 25.Bxb5 Qxb5 26.Rxd5 exd5 27.Qh3 Qd7 28.Qg3 Ra8 29.Bd4 g6 30.b5 Be7 31.c6 Qf5 32.b6 Ra2 33.e4 dxe4 34.b7 e3+ 35.Ke1 Bb4+ 36.Kf1 Qb5+ 37.Kg1 Bd6 38.Qe1 Qg5+ 39.Kf1 Rxc2 40.Qxe3+ Qxe3 41.Bxe3 Rxc6 42.Ba7 Rc1+ 43.Ke2 Rb1 44.b8=Q+ Bxb8 45.Bd4 Kd7 46.Kd3 Ke6 47.Kc2 Rb5 48.Kd3 Rd5 49.Kc4 Rxd4+ 50.Kxd4 Kf5 51.Ke3 Ba7+ 52.Kd3 Kf4 53.Ke2 g5 54.Kd3 Kxf3 55.Kc4 g4 56.Kd5 g3 57.Kd6 g2 58.Ke7 g1=Q 59.Ke8 f5 60.Kf7 Qb6 61.Ke7 Qc6 62.Kf7 Qd6 63.Kg7 Qe6 64.Kf8 Qd7 65.Kg8 Qe7 66.Kh8 Bd4+ 67.Kg8 Qg7# 0-1[/pgn]

I thought I would beat it more often but I am just very slow and weak. The thought that I can't win with N odds was torturing me and today the torture is over!

Playing it is an eye opening experience. I can't count the number of clever tricks, strategic traps and fairly tale resources it found.
It often outplayed me strategically with a bishop pair being rook down in an endgame by just blocking all my pieces and advancing its pawns. It made me realize how deep and beautiful the game is!
[pgn]1. Nc3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Bg5 Nbd7 4. Bf4 Nh5 5. Bd2 c5 6. e3 Nhf6 7. Qf3 e6 8. g4 h6 9. h4 a6 10. O-O-O b5 11. g5 hg5 12. hg5 Rh1 13. Qh1 b4 14. gf6 bc3 15. Bc3 Nf6 16. f3 Bd7 17. dc5 Qc7 18. Rd4 Bb5 19. b4 Qc6 20. a3 a5 21. Kd2 ab4 22. ab4 Ra2 23. Rh4 d4 24. Rd4 Nd5 25. Bb5 Qb5 26. Rd5 ed5 27. Qh3 Qd7 28. Qg3 Ra8 29. Bd4 g6 30. b5 Be7 31. c6 Qf5 32. b6 Ra2 33. e4 de4 34. b7 e3 35. Ke1 Bb4 36. Kf1 Qb5 37. Kg1 Bd6 38. Qe1 Qg5 39. Kf1 Rc2 40. Qe3 Qe3 41. Be3 Rc6 42. Ba7 Rc1 43. Ke2 Rb1 44. b8Q Bb8 45. Bd4 Kd7 46. Kd3 Ke6 47. Kc2 Rb5 48. Kd3 Rd5 49. Kc4 Rd4 50. Kd4 Kf5 51. Ke3 Ba7 52. Kd3 Kf4 53. Ke2 g5 54. Kd3 Kf3 55. Kc4 g4 56. Kd5 g3 57. Kd6 g2 58. Ke7 g1Q 59. Ke8 f5 60. Kf7 Qb6 61. Ke7 Qc6 62. Kf7 Qd6 63. Kg7 Qe6 64. Kf8 Qd7 65. Kg8 Qe7 66. Kh8 Bd4 67. Kg8 Qg7#[/pgn]
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.