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Re: ChessTiger Update

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Mike S. wrote:While surfing along these news, I just found that your Palm Tiger is free now. :mrgreen: Many thanks!

I never had a Palm although they always attracted me. Now I found a simulator for the Palm OS Cobalt 6.1 which runs in XP. I guess the simulator is intended to run at original speed of some Palm version. I don't find a speed setting for the simulator.

I get TigerMarks of ~1.45...1.50 here, with a P4. Set to 6 MB hash, I get ~1,000...1,100 pos./sec. in the starting position.

The problem with the PalmOS emulator is that it does not count the time accurately. So the nps value could be completely off (by an order of magnitude or more).

I'm not sure Chess Tiger would run in the simulator because in the simulator as far as I know you run x86 code. But I never really tried it.


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Re: ChessTiger Update

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Albert Silver wrote:
tiger wrote:
UncombedCoconut wrote:
tiger wrote:New name because I have been threatened of legal action by several companies, one of them *big*.
Ouch. May I ask (and more pertinently, may you say) who the Other companies are?

Congrats on your update, BTW. Had I owned an iOS device, I think this news would have convinced me to buy your program. Then again, perhaps I would have bought it already at its old price, had I been able to afford an iOS device in the first place.

I am not allowed to talk about the trademark problem, sorry.

Have you considered an iPod touch? It is a GREAT device. It's an iPhone without the phone, but with everything else. And it's not expensive at all.

Chess Tiger runs perfectly even on the very first iPod touch, and the performance is pretty good. On the iPod touch 4 Chess Tiger computes 150kn/s (250kn/s later in the game).

And if you have Wifi at home or at work, you almost do not need a laptop anymore. I know some will disagree, but since I have an iOS device I'm not using my ASUS netbook anymore. It's just collecting dust now.


// Christophe
Sorry, but can't you show that you have used the name PRIOR to whatever claims they are making, which would basically mean their claim is bunk?

There are several complains, some of them are valid (maybe), some of them are not but risky to counterattack. :)

I'm talking with them all, so we will see where I can use the name and where I should not.

It's not a big deal anyway, if I can sort this out I will be able to change the name again at the next update. And I have not seen a negative impact on sales figures yet. As long as your ratings are good people want your app.

I have many other problems to deal with currently so I have to prioritize. I just wanted to get this out of my mind and be able to focus on work.

At this time, if you know you want Chess Tiger on the App Store, just search for "chess tiger" and you'll find it immediately.


// Christophe
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Re: ChessTiger Update

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tiger wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
tiger wrote:
UncombedCoconut wrote:
tiger wrote:New name because I have been threatened of legal action by several companies, one of them *big*.
Ouch. May I ask (and more pertinently, may you say) who the Other companies are?

Congrats on your update, BTW. Had I owned an iOS device, I think this news would have convinced me to buy your program. Then again, perhaps I would have bought it already at its old price, had I been able to afford an iOS device in the first place.

I am not allowed to talk about the trademark problem, sorry.

Have you considered an iPod touch? It is a GREAT device. It's an iPhone without the phone, but with everything else. And it's not expensive at all.

Chess Tiger runs perfectly even on the very first iPod touch, and the performance is pretty good. On the iPod touch 4 Chess Tiger computes 150kn/s (250kn/s later in the game).

And if you have Wifi at home or at work, you almost do not need a laptop anymore. I know some will disagree, but since I have an iOS device I'm not using my ASUS netbook anymore. It's just collecting dust now.


// Christophe
Sorry, but can't you show that you have used the name PRIOR to whatever claims they are making, which would basically mean their claim is bunk?

There are several complains, some of them are valid (maybe), some of them are not but risky to counterattack. :)

I'm talking with them all, so we will see where I can use the name and where I should not.

It's not a big deal anyway, if I can sort this out I will be able to change the name again at the next update. And I have not seen a negative impact on sales figures yet. As long as your ratings are good people want your app.

I have many other problems to deal with currently so I have to prioritize. I just wanted to get this out of my mind and be able to focus on work.

At this time, if you know you want Chess Tiger on the App Store, just search for "chess tiger" and you'll find it immediately.


// Christophe

Hi Christophe,

I am really interested in knowing if you do plan on releasing a PC version of Chess Tiger 11. I know you won't be making one for Android so the PC version would be the one I would be eager to purchase.

Thanks!
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Re: ChessTiger Update

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tomgdrums wrote:
tiger wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
tiger wrote:
UncombedCoconut wrote:
tiger wrote:New name because I have been threatened of legal action by several companies, one of them *big*.
Ouch. May I ask (and more pertinently, may you say) who the Other companies are?

Congrats on your update, BTW. Had I owned an iOS device, I think this news would have convinced me to buy your program. Then again, perhaps I would have bought it already at its old price, had I been able to afford an iOS device in the first place.

I am not allowed to talk about the trademark problem, sorry.

Have you considered an iPod touch? It is a GREAT device. It's an iPhone without the phone, but with everything else. And it's not expensive at all.

Chess Tiger runs perfectly even on the very first iPod touch, and the performance is pretty good. On the iPod touch 4 Chess Tiger computes 150kn/s (250kn/s later in the game).

And if you have Wifi at home or at work, you almost do not need a laptop anymore. I know some will disagree, but since I have an iOS device I'm not using my ASUS netbook anymore. It's just collecting dust now.


// Christophe
Sorry, but can't you show that you have used the name PRIOR to whatever claims they are making, which would basically mean their claim is bunk?

There are several complains, some of them are valid (maybe), some of them are not but risky to counterattack. :)

I'm talking with them all, so we will see where I can use the name and where I should not.

It's not a big deal anyway, if I can sort this out I will be able to change the name again at the next update. And I have not seen a negative impact on sales figures yet. As long as your ratings are good people want your app.

I have many other problems to deal with currently so I have to prioritize. I just wanted to get this out of my mind and be able to focus on work.

At this time, if you know you want Chess Tiger on the App Store, just search for "chess tiger" and you'll find it immediately.


// Christophe

Hi Christophe,

I am really interested in knowing if you do plan on releasing a PC version of Chess Tiger 11. I know you won't be making one for Android so the PC version would be the one I would be eager to purchase.

Thanks!

Maybe there will be an Android one and no PC one. Or the opposite.

Or just a Windows Phone 7 version. I used to love Nokia (10 years ago).

Or both. Or all of them.

One thing I can guarantee is that there is an iOS version, and that people love it! :)


// Christophe
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Re: ChessTiger Update

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tiger wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
tiger wrote:
UncombedCoconut wrote:
tiger wrote:New name because I have been threatened of legal action by several companies, one of them *big*.
Ouch. May I ask (and more pertinently, may you say) who the Other companies are?

Congrats on your update, BTW. Had I owned an iOS device, I think this news would have convinced me to buy your program. Then again, perhaps I would have bought it already at its old price, had I been able to afford an iOS device in the first place.

I am not allowed to talk about the trademark problem, sorry.

Have you considered an iPod touch? It is a GREAT device. It's an iPhone without the phone, but with everything else. And it's not expensive at all.

Chess Tiger runs perfectly even on the very first iPod touch, and the performance is pretty good. On the iPod touch 4 Chess Tiger computes 150kn/s (250kn/s later in the game).

And if you have Wifi at home or at work, you almost do not need a laptop anymore. I know some will disagree, but since I have an iOS device I'm not using my ASUS netbook anymore. It's just collecting dust now.


// Christophe
Sorry, but can't you show that you have used the name PRIOR to whatever claims they are making, which would basically mean their claim is bunk?

There are several complains, some of them are valid (maybe), some of them are not but risky to counterattack. :)

I'm talking with them all, so we will see where I can use the name and where I should not.

It's not a big deal anyway, if I can sort this out I will be able to change the name again at the next update. And I have not seen a negative impact on sales figures yet. As long as your ratings are good people want your app.

I have many other problems to deal with currently so I have to prioritize. I just wanted to get this out of my mind and be able to focus on work.

At this time, if you know you want Chess Tiger on the App Store, just search for "chess tiger" and you'll find it immediately.


// Christophe
What if you name it Tigre? (french, spanish) or Panthera tigris? (latin) or even better, Pantheron? with obvious reference to your last name? :-)

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Re: ChessTiger Update

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Albert Silver wrote:
tiger wrote:
UncombedCoconut wrote:
tiger wrote:New name because I have been threatened of legal action by several companies, one of them *big*.
Ouch. May I ask (and more pertinently, may you say) who the Other companies are?

Congrats on your update, BTW. Had I owned an iOS device, I think this news would have convinced me to buy your program. Then again, perhaps I would have bought it already at its old price, had I been able to afford an iOS device in the first place.

I am not allowed to talk about the trademark problem, sorry.

Have you considered an iPod touch? It is a GREAT device. It's an iPhone without the phone, but with everything else. And it's not expensive at all.

Chess Tiger runs perfectly even on the very first iPod touch, and the performance is pretty good. On the iPod touch 4 Chess Tiger computes 150kn/s (250kn/s later in the game).

And if you have Wifi at home or at work, you almost do not need a laptop anymore. I know some will disagree, but since I have an iOS device I'm not using my ASUS netbook anymore. It's just collecting dust now.


// Christophe
Sorry, but can't you show that you have used the name PRIOR to whatever claims they are making, which would basically mean their claim is bunk?
Trademarks and logos do not work that way. You need to register the trademark first. It is not like copyrights.

Miguel
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Re: ChessTiger Update

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tiger wrote:I'm not sure Chess Tiger would run in the simulator because in the simulator as far as I know you run x86 code.
It runs in the "Palm OS Cobalt 6.1 Simulator", here in XP with Pentium 4 CPU/2.4 GHz. The simulator is from 2004.

Some screens:

Image
(Tigermark 1.60 with 6 MB hash)

Image
(node rate 1090 pos/sec)

Image
(2:1 magnified Palm sim on an 1600*900 screen)

To save the adjustments, I think it is best to save a .ssf file in the sim, and reload that file after a fresh restart each. The "HotSync" doesn't seem to work here so I cannot bring a PGN from the Palm sim into the PC (copy & paste works neither between sim and Windows). But the rest seems to work ok. I've already played a test game against the Gambit aggressive setting.
Regards, Mike
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Re: ChessTiger Update

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tiger wrote:
tomgdrums wrote:
tiger wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
tiger wrote:
UncombedCoconut wrote:
tiger wrote:New name because I have been threatened of legal action by several companies, one of them *big*.
Ouch. May I ask (and more pertinently, may you say) who the Other companies are?

Congrats on your update, BTW. Had I owned an iOS device, I think this news would have convinced me to buy your program. Then again, perhaps I would have bought it already at its old price, had I been able to afford an iOS device in the first place.

I am not allowed to talk about the trademark problem, sorry.

Have you considered an iPod touch? It is a GREAT device. It's an iPhone without the phone, but with everything else. And it's not expensive at all.

Chess Tiger runs perfectly even on the very first iPod touch, and the performance is pretty good. On the iPod touch 4 Chess Tiger computes 150kn/s (250kn/s later in the game).

And if you have Wifi at home or at work, you almost do not need a laptop anymore. I know some will disagree, but since I have an iOS device I'm not using my ASUS netbook anymore. It's just collecting dust now.


// Christophe
Sorry, but can't you show that you have used the name PRIOR to whatever claims they are making, which would basically mean their claim is bunk?

There are several complains, some of them are valid (maybe), some of them are not but risky to counterattack. :)

I'm talking with them all, so we will see where I can use the name and where I should not.

It's not a big deal anyway, if I can sort this out I will be able to change the name again at the next update. And I have not seen a negative impact on sales figures yet. As long as your ratings are good people want your app.

I have many other problems to deal with currently so I have to prioritize. I just wanted to get this out of my mind and be able to focus on work.

At this time, if you know you want Chess Tiger on the App Store, just search for "chess tiger" and you'll find it immediately.


// Christophe

Hi Christophe,

I am really interested in knowing if you do plan on releasing a PC version of Chess Tiger 11. I know you won't be making one for Android so the PC version would be the one I would be eager to purchase.

Thanks!

Maybe there will be an Android one and no PC one. Or the opposite.

Or just a Windows Phone 7 version. I used to love Nokia (10 years ago).

Or both. Or all of them.

One thing I can guarantee is that there is an iOS version, and that people love it! :)


// Christophe
I am very happy for you that people love the iOS version. Not everyone owns an iphone. If Chess Tiger comes out on android I might buy it or the opposite. If it comes out for PC I might buy both android and PC versions. Or neither of them.

One thing I can guarantee is that I have a Shredder and Hiarcs for PC and I love them. :)
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Re: ChessTiger Update

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michiguel wrote:
tiger wrote:
Albert Silver wrote:
tiger wrote:
UncombedCoconut wrote:
tiger wrote:New name because I have been threatened of legal action by several companies, one of them *big*.
Ouch. May I ask (and more pertinently, may you say) who the Other companies are?

Congrats on your update, BTW. Had I owned an iOS device, I think this news would have convinced me to buy your program. Then again, perhaps I would have bought it already at its old price, had I been able to afford an iOS device in the first place.

I am not allowed to talk about the trademark problem, sorry.

Have you considered an iPod touch? It is a GREAT device. It's an iPhone without the phone, but with everything else. And it's not expensive at all.

Chess Tiger runs perfectly even on the very first iPod touch, and the performance is pretty good. On the iPod touch 4 Chess Tiger computes 150kn/s (250kn/s later in the game).

And if you have Wifi at home or at work, you almost do not need a laptop anymore. I know some will disagree, but since I have an iOS device I'm not using my ASUS netbook anymore. It's just collecting dust now.


// Christophe
Sorry, but can't you show that you have used the name PRIOR to whatever claims they are making, which would basically mean their claim is bunk?

There are several complains, some of them are valid (maybe), some of them are not but risky to counterattack. :)

I'm talking with them all, so we will see where I can use the name and where I should not.

It's not a big deal anyway, if I can sort this out I will be able to change the name again at the next update. And I have not seen a negative impact on sales figures yet. As long as your ratings are good people want your app.

I have many other problems to deal with currently so I have to prioritize. I just wanted to get this out of my mind and be able to focus on work.

At this time, if you know you want Chess Tiger on the App Store, just search for "chess tiger" and you'll find it immediately.


// Christophe
What if you name it Tigre? (french, spanish) or Panthera tigris? (latin) or even better, Pantheron? with obvious reference to your last name? :-)

Miguel

Why not...

The funny thing about it is that I see that there are people here who are actually much more concerned about this than I am! :)

The name is not important. Look, you can have a horrible and nonsensical name like "Stockfish" and still be popular. ;-)


// Christophe
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Re: ChessTiger Update

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Mike S. wrote:
tiger wrote:I'm not sure Chess Tiger would run in the simulator because in the simulator as far as I know you run x86 code.
It runs in the "Palm OS Cobalt 6.1 Simulator", here in XP with Pentium 4 CPU/2.4 GHz. The simulator is from 2004.

Some screens:

Image
(Tigermark 1.60 with 6 MB hash)

Image
(node rate 1090 pos/sec)

Image
(2:1 magnified Palm sim on an 1600*900 screen)

To save the adjustments, I think it is best to save a .ssf file in the sim, and reload that file after a fresh restart each. The "HotSync" doesn't seem to work here so I cannot bring a PGN from the Palm sim into the PC (copy & paste works neither between sim and Windows). But the rest seems to work ok. I've already played a test game against the Gambit aggressive setting.

That's funny. I had never seen the Cobalt simulator.

Cobalt was supposed to be PalmOS 6. A major update to an operating system which had evolved very little in 4 years. Multitasking was one of the major new features, but total compatibility with older versions was very important to them because of the huge number of applications available to PalmOS at the time (remember they were the market leader).

The Palm dev team contacted me. They had tested Chess Tiger against PalmOS 6 and found only 2 compatibility problems. They pointed them out to me and I made the changes to have Chess Tiger fully compatible with Cobalt.

Then Cobalt totally flopped. No hardware maker bought it. Palm themselves did not release any device with it.

Then the iPhone was released. If you want a comparison, PalmOS was very close architecturally to the 1984 MacOS, while the iPhone was close to MacOS X. PalmOS was basically 15-20 years behind.

But Tiger is compatible with Cobalt, and so you can run it on your PC in the Cobalt simulator! :)

Maybe you could write a small tutorial for people interested in running legacy chess software. I don't even know myself where to find the simulator and set it up correctly.

In your opinion, is the simulator counting the time correctly?


// Christophe