Graham Banks wrote:Despite Zach posting that he'd provide absolute proof that Vas had taken code from Fruit for Rybka 1.0, nothing has been shown after more than a year.
There was more, but I will not search the whole forum for that old stuff.
Even some code where shown by Zach. But to say it Juri Osipov: On this subject, easy to talk between programmers, but it is difficult to talk between cheerleaders.
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
And I can tell you Rolf that the authors of the mentioned programs don't jump like a mountain goat everytime a stronger program than theirs appears and point fingers at it as a clone without even bothering to proove it....
For Vasik it's a usual practice already....
What? LOL
The fact that they remain silent proved their innocence?
And if Vas declared ONCE that the clone was a clone then he is a goat like jumper??
Again the top question to you and your collegues: why dont you destroy the myths of Shredder, Hiarcs and Fritz all the same? Because is goat jumper? ROTFL
In such cases it's good to ask CUI BONO that shameless thieves try to harm Vas and only Vas. To me it sounds like mafia blackmail. But I'm not really familiar with computerchess. CUI BONO, Dr. Deeb.
I won't begin to try to psychoanalyze Vas. I can tell you this, in every case where I have publicly claimed that XYZ was a clone of my program, I produced a ton of evidence to support the claim. Showing code matches. filename matches. file contents. string patterns. bitboard patterns. procedure names. Etc. It may well be that he is caught up in his own problems. He sees a few key things that so far as he knows, only appear in Rybka. And he spots them in ths IP* engine. But he doesn't want to point those out as that reveals too much information. "Hoist on his own petard" comes to mind.
Alexander Schmidt wrote:
Remember how the engines inproved in the last years. After years of stagnation Fruit (and later Glaurung) appeared. Are you sure no one copied some code? Did you ever blame a commercial author for the improvement in his engine because he maybe took some code?
You did not, and that is fine.
You did not when Rybka 1 appeared, allthough it was 600 ELO points stronger than it's predecessor.
You did it not even when I showed similaries between Rybka and Fruit. This is also fine to me as long as you apply the same standart for all engines.
Despite Zach posting that he'd provide absolute proof that Vas had taken code from Fruit for Rybka 1.0, nothing has been shown after more than a year.
Despite this, some here are still making accusations without proof.
Is there a link to where we can all view the absolute proof?
Cheers,
Graham.
There was _more_ than enough "proof" offered. But one has to look at the proof with an unbiased eye, otherwise there is no proof good enough. This _really_ did happen. Does it mean anything on the cosmic scale? nope. Just shows that some have slightly different moral standards than others. One has to live with himself, first, and with others, second.
gerold wrote:Nice games Michael.
Do you think 85d3 is the strongest?
Best.
Gerold.
P.S.
Do you have any comment on the node
count of this engine.
- Yes I think it is the strongest. Future versions are said to have better time management, but I was initially discouraged when Robbolite 0.0085d5 started 0-4 vs R3 in another match. Newer versions have come out since then, but I have yet to test them. For me, 85d3 is already sufficient, has yet to lose on time, and has proven to best R3 in many matches already.
Node counts typically show 700-900kn/s on my Core 2 duo rig.
gerold wrote:Nice games Michael.
Do you think 85d3 is the strongest?
Best.
Gerold.
P.S.
Do you have any comment on the node
count of this engine.
- Yes I think it is the strongest. Future versions are said to have better time management, but I was initially discouraged when Robbolite 0.0085d5 started 0-4 vs R3 in another match. Newer versions have come out since then, but I have yet to test them. For me, 85d3 is already sufficient, has yet to lose on time, and has proven to best R3 in many matches already.
Node counts typically show 700-900kn/s on my Core 2 duo rig.
Thanks for the reply. I agree with you about d3.
D4 and d5 not as good.
D8 is good but did lose on time a couple times.
Matthias Gemuh wrote:
Better time management in 85d4 and above.
Will now test 85d8.
Matthias.
Kranium made some mistakes.
The 2 time managements in 85d8 are mutually exclusive.
That means one _MUST_ be set to TRUE and the other to FALSE.
Enhanced Time Factor should be 25 by default not 30.
