That sounds like maffia practices to me if it is trueChristopher Conkie wrote:govert wrote:So far, this i the only theory I've seen which explains the anonymity in a satisfying manner.frcha wrote:Its possible that at least one of the authors used to be on the Rybka programming team -- the engine by itself is legal but the author might have signed some agreement preventing him from using the same ideas in another program independently. In that case Vas can sue him if he reveals himself.
Now we are getting somewhere at last.
Chris
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Saludos, Andres
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Probably the only way to put an end to these disputes - to publish the source code of Rybka 3. In the end, I'll do it.
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The end is here.Osipov Jury wrote:Probably the only way to put an end to these disputes - to publish the source code of Rybka 3. In the end, I'll do it.
Why would someone post a fake or watered down version
of Rybka 4 before the real release. Maybe to set someone up.
Best,
Gerold.
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So do I understand this correctly:Osipov Jury wrote:Probably the only way to put an end to these disputes - to publish the source code of Rybka 3. In the end, I'll do it.
a) You have the R3 release source code, while Vas does not have it (I mean the exact R3 version, or very close to it)?
b) The R3 sources you have are original C/C++ sources written by Vas, not derived by RE from binary?
c) You have got permission by Vas to publish these sources?
Sven
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Sven Schüle wrote:So do I understand this correctly:Osipov Jury wrote:Probably the only way to put an end to these disputes - to publish the source code of Rybka 3. In the end, I'll do it.
a) You have the R3 release source code, while Vas does not have it (I mean the exact R3 version, or very close to it)?
b) The R3 sources you have are original C/C++ sources written by Vas, not derived by RE from binary?
c) You have got permission by Vas to publish these sources?
Sven
Hello Sven,
Please.
He is pulling legs, arms and any attached bodyparts.
He should have put a smiling face before teasing in that fashion.
Later.
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O.k., maybe I misunderstood. But I'm not sure yet.Roger Brown wrote:Hello Sven,Sven Schüle wrote:So do I understand this correctly:Osipov Jury wrote:Probably the only way to put an end to these disputes - to publish the source code of Rybka 3. In the end, I'll do it.
a) You have the R3 release source code, while Vas does not have it (I mean the exact R3 version, or very close to it)?
b) The R3 sources you have are original C/C++ sources written by Vas, not derived by RE from binary?
c) You have got permission by Vas to publish these sources?
Please.
He is pulling legs, arms and any attached bodyparts.
He should have put a smiling face before teasing in that fashion.
Sven
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Unfortunately, once again I forgot with whom I deal with in this forum.Roger Brown wrote: Hello Sven,
Please.
He is pulling legs, arms and any attached bodyparts.
He should have put a smiling face before teasing in that fashion.
Later.
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1.) What would that have been? Fruit code? Some unknown and unreleased very strong engine?Peter Berger wrote:Life ( and my parents) have taught me: whenever there are various explanations of things, the most simple one is most likely to be true.
I have tried reading this document not being a programmer ( lol, certainly a sick way to spend leasure time), and it even sounds impressive if you don't understand major parts.
1. Isn't it just common sense to conclude that at one point in time the Rybka and the Ippolit author(s) looked at the *very* same piece of *source code* and went from there in different directions?
2. If one were able to make *that* kind of meaningful changes to a strange decompiled source he didn't write for himself, he were a genius IMHO, and why would he not spend his time in a much more sensible way just (re?)-starting from scratch using his own wording and logic ?!
I write this as I think this is the *obvious* conclusion every non-programmer with some basic intelligence will reach, so if this is bullshit, maybe one you programmer guys might enlighten us ( no joke).
Peter
2.) The only answer I can think of is that he totally hates Vas.
Peter
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Roger, Juri does have a source of R3. This is already known for quite a while. He even published a hybrid of Strelka's search and R3 eval.Roger Brown wrote:He is pulling legs, arms and any attached bodyparts.
He should have put a smiling face before teasing in that fashion.
He most probably does not have the permission to publish it, but I guess his post was just in frustration after seeing so many grown up man believing in fairytales.
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While I haven't read throught this tread yet, my guess is that the post of Zach was deleted together with Sedat's post to Harry... I saw it too.Steve B wrote:Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:The anonymity is the cause, not the reason, for many of the skepticism.
I would certainly judge the case differently if the authors were real persons that stepped forward. I'm sure many others would, too.
even if BB's report proves to be generally accepted by the programming community we can already see that "anonymity" will be the "last stand" by those convinced that Ippo is illegal come hell or high-water
anonymity now also seems to be the only attack on BB for his report so far
actually i remember reading a post here by Zach just yesterday where he said he met in person with BB and BB spoke with Kaufman about his report
oddly i can't find that post here anymore although i did search for it
i could be screwing up the search function though...
Squinting and Clicking Around Regards
Steve
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