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Very Deep Mate

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Start Your Engines!

[d]r2q1rnk/1p1bb1pp/p2p4/3NppP1/P2BPP2/3Q3R/1PP1B2P/6RK w - - 0 1

Have Fun....
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Re: Very Deep Mate

Post by Eelco de Groot »

Hello Terry,

Toga Blueberry does not yet find a matescore, but thinks that fxe5 is a very good move:


[D]r2q1rnk/1p1bb1pp/p2p4/3NppP1/P2BPP2/3Q3R/1PP1B2P/6RK w - -

Engine: Toga II MP Blueberry Winfinder Beta (256 MB, Athlon 2009 MHz single core)
by Fabien Letouzey, Thomas Gaksch and Zach Wegner

1/07 0:00 +1.13 1.Nxe7 Nxe7 (37)

1/17 0:00 +1.18 1.Bb6 fxe4 2.Qxe4 (1.704)

1/17 0:00 +1.74 1.g6 Bh4 (2.314)

2/18 0:00 +1.37 1.g6 Bh4 2.Bf2 (3.492)

3/20 0:00 +1.94++ 1.g6 h6 2.Bb6 fxe4 3.Qxe4 Bf5 (10.000)

4/22 0:00 +1.38 1.g6 h6 2.Bb6 fxe4 3.Qxe4 Bf5 4.Qb4 (14.309)

5/25 0:00 +1.64 1.g6 h6 2.Bb6 fxe4 3.Qxe4 Bf5 4.Qb4 Qd7 (37.085)

6/26 0:00 +1.07 1.g6 h6 2.Bb6 fxe4 3.Qb3 Qe8 4.Nc7 Bxa4 (108.573)

6/28 0:00 +2.04++ 1.fxe5 fxe4 2.Rxh7+ Kxh7 3.Qxe4+ Bf5
4.Qh4+ Nh6 5.Nxe7 Qb6 (228.413)

7/38 0:02 +4.60++ 1.fxe5 fxe4 2.Rxh7+ Kxh7 3.Qxe4+ Bf5
4.Qh4+ Nh6 5.Nxe7 dxe5 6.Bxe5 Rf7
7.Bxg7 Rxe7 8.Qxh6+ Kg8 9.Bc4+ Re6
10.Bxe6+ Bxe6 11.Qh8+ Kf7 (1.522.196) 710

8/52 0:06 +5.15++ 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bxe6 3.Bxg7+ Kxg7
4.Qc3+ Rf6 5.Rxg5+ Kf8 6.Rxg8+ Bxg8
7.Nxf6 Rc8 8.Rg3 Rxc3 9.Rxg8+ Kf7
10.Rxd8 Rxc2 (4.714.514) 726

9/52 0:19 +5.93++ 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.e7 Qxe7
4.Nxe7 Nxe7 5.Rh5 Bc6 6.Bxf6 Rxf6
7.Bf3 f4 8.Rhg5 Rg8 9.Qd4 (14.102.373) 727

10/52 0:26 +5.85 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.e7 Qxe7
4.Bxf6 Rxf6 5.Nxe7 Nxe7 6.Rh5 Bxa4
7.Qg3 Rf7 8.Qh3 h6 (19.736.462) 733

11/58 1:40 +7.10++ 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 fxe4
10.Qxe4 Nh6 11.Ne7 Rf6 12.Qxb7 (74.905.451) 742

12/62 2:40 +6.81 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 Rad8
10.Qh5+ Kg7 11.Qxg5+ Kh8 12.Qh4+ Kg7
13.exf5 Rxd7 (119.726.067) 747

13/110 9:41 +8.10++ 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 fxe4
10.Nc7 Rf6 11.Qe8 Rxe8 12.dxe8Q Rf2
13.Qxe4 (432.053.712) 742


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Re: Very Deep Mate

Post by Eelco de Groot »

Hiarcs 11.2 has about the same analysis result and quickly plays 1. fxe5, within 7 plies, and does not change its move in twenty minutes:


[D]r2q1rnk/1p1bb1pp/p2p4/3NppP1/P2BPP2/3Q3R/1PP1B2P/6RK w - -

Engine: HIARCS 11.2 SP Default (256 MB)
by Mark John Uniacke

7/28 0:00 +1.26 1.fxe5 fxe4 2.Rxh7+ Kxh7 3.Qxe4+ Bf5
4.Qh4+ Nh6 5.Nxe7 dxe5 6.gxh6 Qxd4 (141.512) 266

8/28 0:00 +1.51++ 1.fxe5 (222.241) 268

8/29 0:02 +4.03 1.fxe5 dxe5 2.Bxe5 Re8 3.Bxg7+ (626.865) 263

9/31 0:03 +4.28 1.fxe5 fxe4 2.Rxh7+ Kxh7 3.Qxe4+ (842.516) 260

10/32 0:04 +4.53++ 1.fxe5 (1.246.452) 263

10/33 0:05 +5.14 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bxe6 3.Bxg7+ Kxg7
4.Qc3+ (1.440.426) 262

11/33 0:08 +5.37 1.fxe5 fxe4 2.e6 exd3 3.Bxd3 (2.153.757) 260

12/33 0:14 +5.62++ 1.fxe5 (3.821.066) 257

12/39 0:41 +6.25 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.e7 Qe8 4.Rxg7 Kxg7
5.Rg3+ Qg6 6.Rxg6+ hxg6 7.exf8Q+ Rxf8
8.Nxf6 Nxf6 9.exf5 Bxf5 10.Qc3 Be4+
11.Kg1 (11.543.612) 276

13/39 1:03 +6.50++ 1.fxe5 (16.876.203) 265

13/39 1:43 +7.76 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.Qh5+ Kg7
10.Qxg5+ Kh7 11.Qh4+ Nh6 12.exd7 (26.718.619) 257

14/39 2:54 +8.01++ 1.fxe5 (44.027.048) 252

14/39 3:09 +8.01 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 Rad8
10.Qh5+ Kg7 11.Qxg5+ Kh8 12.Qh4+ Kg7
13.exf5 (48.852.642) 257

15/39 5:00 +8.26++ 1.fxe5 (74.303.891) 247

15/40 6:40 +8.68 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 Rad8
10.Qh5+ Kg7 11.Qxg5+ Kh8 12.Qh5+ Kg7
13.exf5 (99.330.677) 247

16/41 11:28 +8.93++ 1.fxe5 (165.597.294) 240

16/43 16:24 +9.31 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 Rad8
10.Qh5+ Kg7 11.Qxg5+ Kh8 12.Qh4+ Kg7
13.exf5 Rxd7 14.f6+ (241.243.425) 244

best move: f4xe5 time: 20:12.422 min n/s: 255.920 nodes: 310.239.470
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Re: Very Deep Mate

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Eelco de Groot wrote:Hiarcs 11.2 has about the same analysis result and quickly plays 1. fxe5, within 7 plies, and does not change its move in twenty minutes:


[D]r2q1rnk/1p1bb1pp/p2p4/3NppP1/P2BPP2/3Q3R/1PP1B2P/6RK w - -

Engine: HIARCS 11.2 SP Default (256 MB)
by Mark John Uniacke

7/28 0:00 +1.26 1.fxe5 fxe4 2.Rxh7+ Kxh7 3.Qxe4+ Bf5
4.Qh4+ Nh6 5.Nxe7 dxe5 6.gxh6 Qxd4 (141.512) 266

8/28 0:00 +1.51++ 1.fxe5 (222.241) 268

8/29 0:02 +4.03 1.fxe5 dxe5 2.Bxe5 Re8 3.Bxg7+ (626.865) 263

9/31 0:03 +4.28 1.fxe5 fxe4 2.Rxh7+ Kxh7 3.Qxe4+ (842.516) 260

10/32 0:04 +4.53++ 1.fxe5 (1.246.452) 263

10/33 0:05 +5.14 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bxe6 3.Bxg7+ Kxg7
4.Qc3+ (1.440.426) 262

11/33 0:08 +5.37 1.fxe5 fxe4 2.e6 exd3 3.Bxd3 (2.153.757) 260

12/33 0:14 +5.62++ 1.fxe5 (3.821.066) 257

12/39 0:41 +6.25 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.e7 Qe8 4.Rxg7 Kxg7
5.Rg3+ Qg6 6.Rxg6+ hxg6 7.exf8Q+ Rxf8
8.Nxf6 Nxf6 9.exf5 Bxf5 10.Qc3 Be4+
11.Kg1 (11.543.612) 276

13/39 1:03 +6.50++ 1.fxe5 (16.876.203) 265

13/39 1:43 +7.76 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.Qh5+ Kg7
10.Qxg5+ Kh7 11.Qh4+ Nh6 12.exd7 (26.718.619) 257

14/39 2:54 +8.01++ 1.fxe5 (44.027.048) 252

14/39 3:09 +8.01 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 Rad8
10.Qh5+ Kg7 11.Qxg5+ Kh8 12.Qh4+ Kg7
13.exf5 (48.852.642) 257

15/39 5:00 +8.26++ 1.fxe5 (74.303.891) 247

15/40 6:40 +8.68 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 Rad8
10.Qh5+ Kg7 11.Qxg5+ Kh8 12.Qh5+ Kg7
13.exf5 (99.330.677) 247

16/41 11:28 +8.93++ 1.fxe5 (165.597.294) 240

16/43 16:24 +9.31 1.fxe5 Bxg5 2.e6 Bf6 3.Rxg7 Bxg7
4.Bxg7+ Kxg7 5.Qg3+ Kh8 6.Qg6 h6
7.Rg3 Qg5 8.Rxg5 hxg5 9.exd7 Rad8
10.Qh5+ Kg7 11.Qxg5+ Kh8 12.Qh4+ Kg7
13.exf5 Rxd7 14.f6+ (241.243.425) 244

best move: f4xe5 time: 20:12.422 min n/s: 255.920 nodes: 310.239.470
Yes, 1. fe is the right move, but the mate is so far away, I doubt any engine in the world on any hardware could see the forced mate.

This would include Deep Blue, when it was active and Hydra today as well.

Best Terry
Terry McCracken