Super GM + Engine vs Rybka 3

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Which Combo could beat Rybka 3 Octal?

Poll ended at Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:31 pm

Kramnik + Deep Fritz 10.1 4CPU
2
10%
Kramnik + ZappaMexico II 64 b 4CPU
0
No votes
Kramnik + Hiarcs 12 4CPU
0
No votes
Anand + Deep Fritz 10.1 4CPU
3
14%
Anand + ZappaMexico II 64 b 4CPU
7
33%
Whatever u want GM + whatever u want engine
9
43%
 
Total votes: 21

Uri Blass
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Re: Super GM + Engine vs Rybka 3

Post by Uri Blass »

Karmazen & Oliver wrote:I think that it is not necesary a super GM, a normal GM with a normal engine. can win a r.

because ... a normal engine... avise to GM if he hava any error tactical and GM only necesary thinking in horizont problem engine R.

R 3 lost these match easy
I disgagree.
Rybka is clearly favourite to win and you simply overestimate GM's.
Avoiding tactical mistakes is not enough because search help engines to play better positional moves than GM's.

In case that you were right GM's could win the free style tournament but they could not do it inspite of the fact that they are allowed to use rybka.

Uri
Karmazen & Oliver
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Re: Super GM + Engine vs Rybka 3

Post by Karmazen & Oliver »

Uri Blass wrote: ...search help engines to play better positional moves than GM's.

In case that you were right GM's could win the free style tournament but they could not do it inspite of the fact that they are allowed to use rybka.

Uri

ok, r3 can that it is the engine that better plays position them carries out inside all the well-known engines.

now then, if you observe the last match rybka versus humans it has been about to lose several games and it has not simply lost them for that the shift GM has not been guessed right in the final execution of the game.

at the moment r is the best, but you this overvaluing the punctuation Elo, facing to an engine against engines with defects and alone weaknesses is able to elevate the elo of the favorite one for that hit always in the same weaknesses, artificially in the same programming errors.

the rybka programmers know perfectly in that position rybka can have serious problems and they have recognized that in some positions their evaluations are incorrect, evidently they are better evaluciones that other engines, but incorrect...

in the tournaments of free, simple style MI with a lot of experience using an normal engine (~2700 elo engine+that quite slow computers ) can cause many problems to engines that work without help of a gm, although these they are working in very quick computers...

an alone GM needs certain protection and when this it gets good positions any engine it can indicate him the way to finish off the game and the match.

I´m sure that ... a GM or MI with a lot of experience using a computer only need a engine "SINGLE cpu (one core of the cpu)" to win versus deep engine ( a lot of cpus ... or multicores...)