Terry McCracken wrote:As I said, Martin isn't use to playing computer corr. chess. Martin accepted his conditions but really shouldn't have. I didn't want him to. Martin made mostly human moves, not so for Mc Cheat. All his moves were computer. I know as I checked. It is depraved to promote this form of chess.
On move 38 the computer suggested I play Rff8 but I much preferred to play Rcf8 instead. Check it out for yourself - this is just one example of many moves in this game where I selected an alternative move. The computer also suggested I play Rhg8 on move 25 which in hind sight was a blunder. All correspondence players use computers to help them with their analysis these days and it is not cheating either - it is called advanced chess. If you still believe that white can force a win in this game then why not try to show me how to do it?
Terry McCracken wrote:As I said, Martin isn't use to playing computer corr. chess. Martin accepted his conditions but really shouldn't have. I didn't want him to. Martin made mostly human moves, not so for Mc Cheat. All his moves were computer. I know as I checked. It is depraved to promote this form of chess.
On move 38 the computer suggested I play Rff8 but I much preferred to play Rcf8 instead. Check it out for yourself - this is just one example of many moves in this game where I selected an alternative move. The computer also suggested I play Rhg8 on move 25 which in hind sight was a blunder. All correspondence players use computers to help them with their analysis these days and it is not cheating either - it is called advanced chess.
You're too weak to select a move for the computer. What you did was test the moves against the computer to see if they were safe.
You realised that if you kept it closed and just shuffle pieces it would be very hard if not impossible for White to win.
Bc6 was better but I suspect with more careful play White could still win it.
I don't think Martin put enough effort in it as he assumed it was won. Only later on he felt it was going to a draw and I agreed with him.
Your words, You can get lucky in chess. You most certainly did.
Terry McCracken wrote:Bc6 was better but I suspect with more careful play White could still win it.
Here is an example of how the game could have been played differently from move 26:
[pgn]1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g5 3. Nc3 g4 4. Ne5 h5 5. Bc4 e6 6. d4 a6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Nd3 Bd4 9. Bb3 Nc6 10. O-O d6 11. Be3 Bxe3 12. fxe3 Nf6 13. Qd2 Qe7 14. Rad1 Nd7 15. Nf4 Nce5 16. Qxd6 Qxd6 17. Rxd6 Ke7 18. Rfd1 Nc5 19. R6d2 Nxb3 20. axb3 Bd7 21. Nd3 Nxd3 22. cxd3 f6 23. Rf1 Raf8 24. d4 h4 25. Rdf2 Bc6 26. d5 Bd7 27. dxe6 Kxe6 28. Rf5 g3 29. R1f3 Bc6 30. hxg3 hxg3 31. R5f4 Rhg8 32. Ne2 Ke5 33. Nxg3 Rg6 34. Rh4 Rfg8 35. Rh5+ Kd6 36. Kf2 Bd7 37. Rh7 b6 38. b4 Be6 39. Ra7 Kc6 40. Ne2 Rxg2+ 41. Ke1 Rh8 42. Kf1 Rxe2 43. Kxe2 Bg4 44. Rf7 Rh2+ 45. Kd3 Bxf3 46. Rxf6+ Kb5 47. Rxf3 Rxb2 48. Kd4 Kc6 49. Rf6+ Kc7 50. Kd5 Rxb4 51. Rf7+ Kd8 52. Ra7 Rb3 53. Rxa6 Rd3+ 54. Kc4 Rxe3[/pgn]
It still ends in a draw but the position does get opened up so perhaps white could have won somewhere along the line.
There is nothing you can explain to me Mc Loser as you don't play chess!
Everything you show me is computer output.
It's not some form of scientific proof either.
I thought you said the position was won for white, plain for any real chess player to see.
Early on white had a plus .44 advantage. However Black made a couple non computer moves that put a stop to the White advantage. Good game by both sides. White did made some computer moves. I gave Black a lot of credit for not falling into a trap on the Q side as the compute would have it.
Terry McCracken wrote:Bc6 was better but I suspect with more careful play White could still win it.
Here is an example of how the game could have been played differently from move 26:
[pgn]1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g5 3. Nc3 g4 4. Ne5 h5 5. Bc4 e6 6. d4 a6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Nd3 Bd4 9. Bb3 Nc6 10. O-O d6 11. Be3 Bxe3 12. fxe3 Nf6 13. Qd2 Qe7 14. Rad1 Nd7 15. Nf4 Nce5 16. Qxd6 Qxd6 17. Rxd6 Ke7 18. Rfd1 Nc5 19. R6d2 Nxb3 20. axb3 Bd7 21. Nd3 Nxd3 22. cxd3 f6 23. Rf1 Raf8 24. d4 h4 25. Rdf2 Bc6 26. d5 Bd7 27. dxe6 Kxe6 28. Rf5 g3 29. R1f3 Bc6 30. hxg3 hxg3 31. R5f4 Rhg8 32. Ne2 Ke5 33. Nxg3 Rg6 34. Rh4 Rfg8 35. Rh5+ Kd6 36. Kf2 Bd7 37. Rh7 b6 38. b4 Be6 39. Ra7 Kc6 40. Ne2 Rxg2+ 41. Ke1 Rh8 42. Kf1 Rxe2 43. Kxe2 Bg4 44. Rf7 Rh2+ 45. Kd3 Bxf3 46. Rxf6+ Kb5 47. Rxf3 Rxb2 48. Kd4 Kc6 49. Rf6+ Kc7 50. Kd5 Rxb4 51. Rf7+ Kd8 52. Ra7 Rb3 53. Rxa6 Rd3+ 54. Kc4 Rxe3[/pgn]
It still ends in a draw but the position does get opened up so perhaps white could have won somewhere along the line.
There is nothing you can explain to me Mc Loser as you don't play chess!
Everything you show me is computer output.
It's not some form of scientific proof either.
I thought you said the position was won for white, plain for any real chess player to see.
Early on white had a plus .44 advantage. However Black made a couple non computer moves that put a stop to the White advantage. Good game by both sides. White did made some computer moves. I gave Black a lot of credit for not falling into a trap on the Q side as the compute would have it.
It's all computer. That's the point. Martin didn't dedicate any real time to the game and Mc Troll put a great deal of computer time to it. Houdini wouldn't take the Night, I checked.
Everything played by Mc Liar was computer. I checked. Nothing to be proud of.
Martin bent over backwards for him and Mc Manipulator screwed him in the ass!
Typical. This site is loaded with people of questionable character, you see them on the chess servers screwing it up for honest and real players.
Terry McCracken wrote:It's all computer. That's the point. Martin didn't dedicate any real time to the game and Mc Troll put a great deal of computer time to it. Houdini wouldn't take the Night, I checked.
Everything played by Mc Liar was computer. I checked. Nothing to be proud of.
Martin bent over backwards for him and Mc Manipulator screwed him in the ass!
Typical. This site is loaded with people of questionable character, you see them on the chess servers screwing it up for honest and real players.
What a tirade of sour grapes. At least the players showed class and good sportsmanship so the rest of us could have some games to enjoy.
Terry McCracken wrote:It's all computer. That's the point. Martin didn't dedicate any real time to the game and Mc Troll put a great deal of computer time to it. Houdini wouldn't take the Night, I checked.
Everything played by Mc Liar was computer. I checked. Nothing to be proud of.
Martin bent over backwards for him and Mc Manipulator screwed him in the ass!
Typical. This site is loaded with people of questionable character, you see them on the chess servers screwing it up for honest and real players.
What a tirade of sour grapes. At least the players showed class and good sportsmanship so the rest of us could have some games to enjoy.
Best
Dan H.
No, Dan, but I doubted you would appreciate the reality that Mc Mad didn't play a real game.
