Why I stood up for Allie is why I stand up for FF2

[Sopel]

Ah, love your argumentum ad hominem. Let me close that I don’t believe Allie is a clone of lc0.

Thanks once again for showing everyone exactly who and what you are.

Someone who uses Latin to point out logical fallacies?

If we're into this area now I'll just let you know that you seem to be strawmanning really hard VVV

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

[AndrewGrant]

And dkappe is now defending the Stockfish clone Fire 8, which has already been determined by cucumber, Alayan, Andrew Grant, et cetera to be a Stockfish clone a few months ago, using the source code of Fire 8 beta that its author Norman Schmidt has given them. He claims that making judgments based on Fire 8's source code (and of Fire 4/Seagull's source code) is of shoddy quality.

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

cucumber, Alayan and Andy have let their heretic hunting glee get the best of them, and not for the first time.

Big yes or no question of the day for you Dkappe: Is Houdini a Stockfish fork/clone/derivative? Yes or No.

[gonzochess75]

And dkappe is now defending the Stockfish clone Fire 8, which has already been determined by cucumber, Alayan, Andrew Grant, et cetera to be a Stockfish clone a few months ago, using the source code of Fire 8 beta that its author Norman Schmidt has given them. He claims that making judgments based on Fire 8's source code (and of Fire 4/Seagull's source code) is of shoddy quality.

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

cucumber, Alayan and Andy have let their heretic hunting glee get the best of them, and not for the first time.

Big yes or no question of the day for you Dkappe: Is Houdini a Stockfish fork/clone/derivative? Yes or No.

I sense a future topic thread coming... "Why I stood up for Houdini is why I stand up for FF2"

[dkappe]

And dkappe is now defending the Stockfish clone Fire 8, which has already been determined by cucumber, Alayan, Andrew Grant, et cetera to be a Stockfish clone a few months ago, using the source code of Fire 8 beta that its author Norman Schmidt has given them. He claims that making judgments based on Fire 8's source code (and of Fire 4/Seagull's source code) is of shoddy quality.

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

cucumber, Alayan and Andy have let their heretic hunting glee get the best of them, and not for the first time.

Big yes or no question of the day for you Dkappe: Is Houdini a Stockfish fork/clone/derivative? Yes or No.

Andy, you first.

[dkappe]

Ah, love your argumentum ad hominem. Let me close that I don’t believe Allie is a clone of lc0.

Thanks once again for showing everyone exactly who and what you are.

Someone who uses Latin to point out logical fallacies?

If we're into this area now I'll just let you know that you seem to be strawmanning really hard VVV

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

They are networks that will run in any nnue capable engine, and are actually the same size as the sf nets. The same logic must apply to them as to FF2. I think you’ve misunderstood what a straw man argument is.

[AndrewGrant]

And dkappe is now defending the Stockfish clone Fire 8, which has already been determined by cucumber, Alayan, Andrew Grant, et cetera to be a Stockfish clone a few months ago, using the source code of Fire 8 beta that its author Norman Schmidt has given them. He claims that making judgments based on Fire 8's source code (and of Fire 4/Seagull's source code) is of shoddy quality.

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

cucumber, Alayan and Andy have let their heretic hunting glee get the best of them, and not for the first time.

Big yes or no question of the day for you Dkappe: Is Houdini a Stockfish fork/clone/derivative? Yes or No.

Andy, you first.

Yes. I have seen the source code of Houdini and can confirm that it is Stockfish translated into another language. Your turn?

[gonzochess75]

Ah, love your argumentum ad hominem. Let me close that I don’t believe Allie is a clone of lc0.

Thanks once again for showing everyone exactly who and what you are.

Someone who uses Latin to point out logical fallacies?

If we're into this area now I'll just let you know that you seem to be strawmanning really hard VVV

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

They are networks that will run in any nnue capable engine, and are actually the same size as the sf nets. The same logic must apply to them as to FF2. I think you’ve misunderstood what a straw man argument is.

I think he was responding to the argument of the form, "Fire 8 isn't a Stockfish clone because hey look at my crappy SF nets!"

[AndrewGrant]

Ah, love your argumentum ad hominem. Let me close that I don’t believe Allie is a clone of lc0.

Thanks once again for showing everyone exactly who and what you are.

Someone who uses Latin to point out logical fallacies?

If we're into this area now I'll just let you know that you seem to be strawmanning really hard VVV

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

They are networks that will run in any nnue capable engine, and are actually the same size as the sf nets. The same logic must apply to them as to FF2. I think you’ve misunderstood what a straw man argument is.

I think he was responding to the argument of the form, "Fire 8 isn't a Stockfish clone because hey look at my crappy SF nets!"

Yo gonzo, don't waste your time with his shitty nets. Hit me up on discord and ill send you some of my own shitty nets. Latest net is Scottish-ApplePI

[dkappe]

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

cucumber, Alayan and Andy have let their heretic hunting glee get the best of them, and not for the first time.

Yes. I have seen the source code of Houdini and can confirm that it is Stockfish translated into another language. Your turn?

Nice dodge. Again, you first.

[dkappe]

Ah, love your argumentum ad hominem. Let me close that I don’t believe Allie is a clone of lc0.

Thanks once again for showing everyone exactly who and what you are.

Someone who uses Latin to point out logical fallacies?

If we're into this area now I'll just let you know that you seem to be strawmanning really hard VVV

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

They are networks that will run in any nnue capable engine, and are actually the same size as the sf nets. The same logic must apply to them as to FF2. I think you’ve misunderstood what a straw man argument is.

I think he was responding to the argument of the form, "Fire 8 isn't a Stockfish clone because hey look at my crappy SF nets!"

So it’s only a clone if it’s strong? How strong would it have to be to be considered a clone? Also, this is a thread about Allie and FF2, not Fire 8.