Why I stood up for Allie is why I stand up for FF2

[AndrewGrant]

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

cucumber, Alayan and Andy have let their heretic hunting glee get the best of them, and not for the first time.

Yes. I have seen the source code of Houdini and can confirm that it is Stockfish translated into another language. Your turn?

Nice dodge. Again, you first.

What? I said YES. Read dude, read. Your turn

[AndrewGrant]

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

cucumber, Alayan and Andy have let their heretic hunting glee get the best of them, and not for the first time.

Yes. I have seen the source code of Houdini and can confirm that it is Stockfish translated into another language. Your turn?

Nice dodge. Again, you first.

What? I said YES. Read dude, read. Your turn

So, you are answering the original question? The White Rose, Dark Horse, etc. are stockfish clones? Andy, you need to read, dude.

You edited the history of the quotes to remove the question I asked you. Is that against the charter and bannable?



You just manipulated the thread history to make it look like I was condemning you for training networks and calling them illegal. That is a serious offensive Dkappe. I'm asking that the moderating staff step in here and remove the post with modified history that alleges I said DKappe's Networks were invalid.

Here is the maniulated history that Dkappe posted:

[gonzochess75]

And dkappe is now defending the Stockfish clone Fire 8, which has already been determined by cucumber, Alayan, Andrew Grant, et cetera to be a Stockfish clone a few months ago, using the source code of Fire 8 beta that its author Norman Schmidt has given them. He claims that making judgments based on Fire 8's source code (and of Fire 4/Seagull's source code) is of shoddy quality.

Yes? So? Are The White Rose, Night Nurse, Dark Horse or Toga net all blatant clones of Stockfish? How come they don’t play like one another or SF? (See the SIMEX of a few months ago.)

cucumber, Alayan and Andy have let their heretic hunting glee get the best of them, and not for the first time.

I'll bite. You want to know whether your shitty nets + SF count as clones of Stockfish? I'd say that they aren't even clones. Kinda like how some theories in physics are not even wrong.

Also, if you'd bothered to read and comprehend the linked thread re: Fire one of the points that was made was that Fire had closer SIMEX scores than Stockfish did to itself from version to version. So if you're whole point is that your crappy nets + SF have more divergence than Fire to SF, well, all the more damning to Fire as your crappy nets + SF are clearly not even clones. Your nets are just a regression.

[dkappe]

Good lord, Andy. OK. Are those nets stockfish clones? Stop dodging.

[dkappe]

Your nets are just a regression.

Regression? Are you implying that my nets are based on the stockfish nets? That requires some proof.

Let me guess, you’ve never actually tested any of them, have you?

[gonzochess75]

In honor of you dkappe, I've gone ahead and tried very hard to make a similar shitty regression to SF. Here is my 5 minutes worth of work:

https://github.com/manyoso/Stockfish/tr ... regression

As you can see I've taken SF 13 and disabled LMR, Futility move pruning, Null move pruning, Extensions, Singular ext, and Probcut. I'm sure it is quite shitty. See: like your crap I'd call my shitty regression not even a clone. I'm pretty sure it would have a different SIMEX score to SF too.

[dkappe]

In honor of you dkappe, I've gone ahead and tried very hard to make a similar shitty regression to SF. Here is my 5 minutes worth of work:

https://github.com/manyoso/Stockfish/tr ... regression

As you can see I've taken SF 13 and disabled LMR, Futility move pruning, Null move pruning, Extensions, Singular ext, and Probcut. I'm sure it is quite shitty. See: like your crap I'd call my shitty regression not even a clone. I'm pretty sure it would have a different SIMEX score to SF too.

Good one! Let me unearth my modification of stockfish...oh, there are none.

[gonzochess75]

In honor of you dkappe, I've gone ahead and tried very hard to make a similar shitty regression to SF. Here is my 5 minutes worth of work:

https://github.com/manyoso/Stockfish/tr ... regression

As you can see I've taken SF 13 and disabled LMR, Futility move pruning, Null move pruning, Extensions, Singular ext, and Probcut. I'm sure it is quite shitty. See: like your crap I'd call my shitty regression not even a clone. I'm pretty sure it would have a different SIMEX score to SF too.

Good one! Let me unearth my modification of stockfish...oh, there are none.

Like I said, not even a clone. Just regressions. Hell, not even regressions unless you try and use them with an engine like SF. They can't even play chess! Maybe find another hobby dkappe. Even my shitty regression that I put together in less than 5 min can play chess LOL.

[gonzochess75]

Hey dkappe, now that I've answered your stupid question apropos of nothing ... Big yes or no question of the day for you: Is Houdini a Stockfish fork/clone/derivative? Yes or No.

[dkappe]

Hey dkappe, now that I've answered your stupid question apropos of nothing ... Big yes or no question of the day for you: Is Houdini a Stockfish fork/clone/derivative? Yes or No.

No idea. Big questions for you: by calling them regressions are you claiming my nets are derived from stockfish nets? Also, have you bothered testing any of my “shitty” nets?