Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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After testing for 2 days with different Contempt First I started with the Contempt = 100 and played 20 games against the same opponent Snitch, which is about FIDE 2650 according to Mr. Kaufman and found out the total score, and later I tested it with Contempt = 105 which scored slightly lower than with Contempt = 100, but when I switched it to Contempt=95 Eureka I found that it performs better than with Contempt =100, and it beat snitch with a score of 55% whereas, with Contempt =100 it was the other way around,
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Chessqueen wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 1:06 pm After testing for 2 days with different Contempt First I started with the Contempt = 100 and played 20 games against the same opponent Snitch, which is about FIDE 2650 according to Mr. Kaufman and found out the total score, and later I tested it with Contempt = 105 which scored slightly lower than with Contempt = 100, but when I switched it to Contempt=95 Eureka I found that it performs better than with Contempt =100, and it beat snitch with a score of 55% whereas, with Contempt =100 it was the other way around,
CAN YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT 20 MATCHES IS NOT SIGNIFICANT?
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Luecx wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 1:26 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 1:06 pm After testing for 2 days with different Contempt First I started with the Contempt = 100 and played 20 games against the same opponent Snitch, which is about FIDE 2650 according to Mr. Kaufman and found out the total score, and later I tested it with Contempt = 105 which scored slightly lower than with Contempt = 100, but when I switched it to Contempt=95 Eureka I found that it performs better than with Contempt =100, and it beat snitch with a score of 55% whereas, with Contempt =100 it was the other way around,
CAN YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT 20 MATCHES IS NOT SIGNIFICANT?
I do NOT intend to make you look ridiculous like you were trying to do and present yourself Smart on this forum, but everybody here on this forum except you know that with either this position, you can only make any program to play about 10 Openings at the most without having repeated games. You can force Komodo Dragon or Stockfish to play 1. g3 1.e4 1.c4 1.d4 1.b3 or 1.Nc3 unless you have created an Opening with 100 different variations to the g1 missing Knight :roll:
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1 [/fen]

And with the b1 missing Knight you can only force Komodo Dragon to play as the initial move 1. b3 1. c4 1. d4. 1.e4 1. Nf3 or 1. g3 and unless you have created an opening Book for the b1 Knight missing after 10 games Komodo Dragon will start repeating the same opening and create the exact games and result. So like I said if you have created Opening Book for b1 and g1 Knight missing odds then you are welcome to test 100 games with b1 and 100 games with g1 Knight missing.

[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1 [/fen]
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Chessqueen wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 3:53 pm
Luecx wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 1:26 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 1:06 pm After testing for 2 days with different Contempt First I started with the Contempt = 100 and played 20 games against the same opponent Snitch, which is about FIDE 2650 according to Mr. Kaufman and found out the total score, and later I tested it with Contempt = 105 which scored slightly lower than with Contempt = 100, but when I switched it to Contempt=95 Eureka I found that it performs better than with Contempt =100, and it beat snitch with a score of 55% whereas, with Contempt =100 it was the other way around,
CAN YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT 20 MATCHES IS NOT SIGNIFICANT?
I do NOT intend to make you look ridiculous like you were trying to do and present yourself Smart on this forum, but everybody here on this forum except you know that with either this position, you can only make any program to play about 10 Openings at the most without having repeated games. You can force Komodo Dragon or Stockfish to play 1. g3 1.e4 1.c4 1.d4 1.b3 or 1.Nc3 unless you have created an Opening with 100 different variations to the g1 missing Knight :roll:
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1 [/fen]

And with the b1 missing Knight you can only force Komodo Dragon to play as the initial move 1. b3 1. c4 1. d4. 1.e4 1. Nf3 or 1. g3 and unless you have created an opening Book for the b1 Knight missing after 10 games Komodo Dragon will start repeating the same opening and create the exact games and result. So like I said if you have created Opening Book for b1 and g1 Knight missing odds then you are welcome to test 100 games with b1 and 100 games with g1 Knight missing.

[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1 [/fen]
You are trolling. Arent you?
Every single engine developer here knows for a fact that there are defintely more than 10 openings at most without having repeated games. Its even worse. I bet that if you use the same opening twice you may get a different line after a certain amount of moves.
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Luecx wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 11:28 am
Chessqueen wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 3:53 pm
Luecx wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 1:26 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 1:06 pm After testing for 2 days with different Contempt First I started with the Contempt = 100 and played 20 games against the same opponent Snitch, which is about FIDE 2650 according to Mr. Kaufman and found out the total score, and later I tested it with Contempt = 105 which scored slightly lower than with Contempt = 100, but when I switched it to Contempt=95 Eureka I found that it performs better than with Contempt =100, and it beat snitch with a score of 55% whereas, with Contempt =100 it was the other way around,
CAN YOU FINALLY UNDERSTAND THAT 20 MATCHES IS NOT SIGNIFICANT?
I do NOT intend to make you look ridiculous like you were trying to do and present yourself Smart on this forum, but everybody here on this forum except you know that with either this position, you can only make any program to play about 10 Openings at the most without having repeated games. You can force Komodo Dragon or Stockfish to play 1. g3 1.e4 1.c4 1.d4 1.b3 or 1.Nc3 unless you have created an Opening with 100 different variations to the g1 missing Knight :roll:
[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 1 [/fen]

And with the b1 missing Knight you can only force Komodo Dragon to play as the initial move 1. b3 1. c4 1. d4. 1.e4 1. Nf3 or 1. g3 and unless you have created an opening Book for the b1 Knight missing after 10 games Komodo Dragon will start repeating the same opening and create the exact games and result. So like I said if you have created Opening Book for b1 and g1 Knight missing odds then you are welcome to test 100 games with b1 and 100 games with g1 Knight missing.

[fen]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1 [/fen]

Every single engine developer here knows for a fact that there are defintely more than 10 openings at most without having repeated games. Its even worse. I bet that if you use the same opening twice you may get a different line after a certain amount of moves.
It could be that Komodo Dragon or stockfish or any other engine if i give them one of these two positions and force it to play for instance 1.e4 and the Opponent program always reply with the same move even if it could chose a French defense, a Sicilian def, a Scandinavian def, or a Caro Kann def, it might be that if Komodo Dragon lost the 1st game it will pick a 2nd move if you force it to play 1.e4 again, but the point that I was making is that I do NOT have an opening book like Mr. Kaufman for b1 Knight odds or g1 Knight odds that I could test it with 100 hundred games with each missing Knight, therefore I only decided to play 20 games. But anybody here is welcome to play mote than 20 games with these two night missing :roll:
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Have you tried playing thse 20 games again with the same settings? Have you tried doing that 10 times? Do you know how wildly different results you would get? It's a good opportunity to learn about variance, you should try it.
dangi12012 wrote:No one wants to touch anything you have posted. That proves you now have negative reputations since everyone knows already you are a forum troll.

Maybe you copied your stockfish commits from someone else too?
I will look into that.
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Sopel wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 12:49 pm Have you tried playing thse 20 games again with the same settings? Have you tried doing that 10 times? Do you know how wildly different results you would get? It's a good opportunity to learn about variance, you should try it.
I could probably force it to play different Openings manually For instance against the 1.4.... I can force a 1.e4.-.c5 Sicilian Def or Caro Kann, or Scandinavian Def a Ruy Lopez, a French def, and I can also try defenses against the 1.d4,,,, or against the 1. Nc3 as well etc...creating more than 60 different Openings for each with the b1 or g1 Knight missing, but by not having an opening book like Mr. Kaufman does it takes too much time :roll:
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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I think you completely ignored what I said
dangi12012 wrote:No one wants to touch anything you have posted. That proves you now have negative reputations since everyone knows already you are a forum troll.

Maybe you copied your stockfish commits from someone else too?
I will look into that.
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Chessqueen wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 1:33 pm
Sopel wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 12:49 pm Have you tried playing thse 20 games again with the same settings? Have you tried doing that 10 times? Do you know how wildly different results you would get? It's a good opportunity to learn about variance, you should try it.
I could probably force it to play different Openings manually For instance against the 1.4.... I can force a 1.e4.-.c5 Sicilian Def or Caro Kann, or Scandinavian Def a Ruy Lopez, a French def, and I can also try defenses against the 1.d4,,,, or against the 1. Nc3 as well etc...creating more than 60 different Openings for each with the b1 or g1 Knight missing, but by not having an opening book like Mr. Kaufman does it takes too much time :roll:
You can download some epd below:

https://github.com/ChrisWhittington/Che ... ind/master

You are welcome
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Re: Eureka I found a better Contempt for Knight Odds For Dragon

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Marcus9 wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 2:45 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 1:33 pm
Sopel wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 12:49 pm Have you tried playing thse 20 games again with the same settings? Have you tried doing that 10 times? Do you know how wildly different results you would get? It's a good opportunity to learn about variance, you should try it.
I could probably force it to play different Openings manually For instance against the 1.4.... I can force a 1.e4.-.c5 Sicilian Def or Caro Kann, or Scandinavian Def a Ruy Lopez, a French def, and I can also try defenses against the 1.d4,,,, or against the 1. Nc3 as well etc...creating more than 60 different Openings for each with the b1 or g1 Knight missing, but by not having an opening book like Mr. Kaufman does it takes too much time :roll:
You can download some epd below:

https://github.com/ChrisWhittington/Che ... ind/master

You are welcome
I do NOT know how to convert these epd files into abk to create an opening for Komodo Dragon to be used under Arena GUI

rnbqkbnr/pp3ppp/3p4/2p1p3/2P5/2NP4/PP2PPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 4; v=-385
r1bqk1nr/ppppppbp/2n3p1/8/2PPP3/8/PP3PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 1 4; v=-399
rnbqk1nr/ppp1bppp/4p3/3p4/3P4/5NP1/PPP1PP1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 1 4; v=-399
r1bqkbnr/ppp2ppp/2n1p3/3p4/2PP4/5N2/PP2PPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 1 4; v=-378
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/5np1/3p4/5P2/4PN2/PPPP2PP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 4; v=-398
rnbqkb1r/p1pppp1p/5np1/1p1P4/2P5/8/PP2PPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 0 4; v=-390
rnbqkbnr/ppp3pp/4p3/3p1p2/2PP4/2N5/PP2PPPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 4; v=-375
rnbqkb1r/pppp2pp/4pn2/5p2/3P4/5NP1/PPP1PP1P/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 2 4; v=-407
rnbqkb1r/pp1ppp1p/5np1/2pP4/2P5/8/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 4; v=-406
rnbqkb1r/pppp1p1p/4pnp1/8/3P4/4PN2/PPP2PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 4; v=-401
Forget about memorization of Opening Theories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN3381sdcdY