Flaming Titz 230822

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I can´t start Flaming Titz under Banksia 055, it says Engine does not support any Protocol ?
I have tried avx2 and bmi2, same Problem
Can anybody help ?

Under Fritz it works finde

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What can I say? Is Engine A better because Engine B, playing at Blitz level with Ponder OFF and no book, made a mistake on move 27 (Rh4)?

I know this variant well, I've seen it many times on the server. Much faster engines often played wrong here because they underestimated White's activities on the queenside.

On my second PC with 8 cores (Ryzen 2700), Flaming Titz achieves about 6000 kns with 7 cores. Here is an analysis of Flaming Titz on Ryzen 2700.

Fat Titz 2 130122 64 BMI2 NUM - Flaming Titz 230822 BMI2 1-0 6.0, DESKTOP-G5N9OPT, Blitz 4.0min+2.0sec 2022

[fen]1r5k/3nb1pp/p2p1n2/3Pp2q/B1N5/4B2r/PP1Q3P/K1R3R1 b - - 0 1[/fen]

Analysis by Flaming Titz 230822 AVX2:

27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qh3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.a3 h5 34.Ba7 Rf8 35.Rg1 Qh4 36.Bb3 Ra8 37.Ne3 Qf2 38.Rf1 Qe2 39.Bc4
White is slightly better: +/= (0.32 ++) Depth: 25/33 00:00:04 22892kN, tb=4
27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qh3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.a3 h5 34.Ba7 Rf8 35.Rg1 Qh4 36.Bc2 Qh2 37.Bb3 e4 38.Bd4 h4 39.Ka2 Kh7 40.Ba4 Bd8 41.Qc6
White has an edge: = (0.30) Depth: 25/34 00:00:04 23227kN, tb=4
27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qh3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.a3 h5 34.Ba7 Rf8 35.Rg1 Qh4 36.Bc2 Qh2 37.Bb3 e4 38.Bd4 h4 39.Ka2 Kh7 40.Ba4 Bd8 41.Qc6
White has an edge: = (0.24 ++) Depth: 26/34 00:00:04 23600kN, tb=4
27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qh3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.a3 h5 34.Ba7 Rf8 35.Rg1 Qh4 36.Bc2 Qh2 37.Bb3 e4 38.Bd4 h4 39.Ka2 Kh7 40.Ba4 Bd8 41.Qc6
White is slightly better: +/= (0.40 --) Depth: 26/34 00:00:05 27949kN, tb=5
27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qh3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.a3 h5 34.Ba7 Rf8 35.Rg1 Qh4 36.Bc2 Qh2 37.Bb3 e4 38.Bd4 h4 39.Ka2 Kh7 40.Ba4 Bd8 41.Qc6
White has an edge: = (0.28 ++) Depth: 26/35 00:00:05 30142kN, tb=5
27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qh3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.a3 h5 34.Ba7 Rf8 35.Ka2 Qg4 36.Rc1 h4 37.Bc6 Kh7 38.Ne3 Qh3 39.Ba4 Rf7 40.Nc4 e4 41.Nxd6 Bxd6 42.Qxd6 Qg3 43.Qxg3 hxg3
White has an edge: = (0.30) Depth: 26/40 00:00:07 38517kN, tb=7
27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qh3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.a3 h5 34.Ba7 Rf8 35.Ka2 Qg4 36.Rc1 h4 37.Bc6 Kh7 38.Ne3 Qh3 39.Ba4 Rf7 40.Nc4 e4 41.Nxd6 Bxd6 42.Qxd6 Qg3 43.Qxg3 hxg3
White is slightly better: +/= (0.38 --) Depth: 27/38 00:00:07 39326kN, tb=10
27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qh3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.a3 h5 34.Ba7 Rf8 35.Ka2 Qg4 36.Rc1 h4 37.Bc6 Kh7 38.Ne3 Qh3 39.Ba4 Rf7 40.Nc4 e4 41.Nxd6 Bxd6 42.Qxd6 Qg3 43.Qxg3 hxg3
White has an edge: = (0.30 ++) Depth: 27/38 00:00:07 39987kN, tb=11
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27...Rxh2 28.Qa5 Qe2 29.Rge1 Qg2 30.Rc2 Qg3 31.Rxh2 Qxh2 32.Qc7 Qh3 33.Rc1 Rf8 34.a3 h5 35.Ba7 Qg4 36.Rg1 Qh4 37.Bb3 Ra8 38.Ka2 Qe4 39.Rd1 Qe2 40.Rd2 Qf1 41.Be3 Rf8 42.Bc2 Ne8 43.Qxd7 Qxc4+ 44.b3 Qc7 45.Qh3
White is slightly better: +/= (0.46) Depth: 32/47 00:00:25 146MN, tb=120

I know that analysis cannot be compared to a game. Flaming Titz (6000 kns) needs 7 seconds to reach depth 27. If in the game with little time (and no book) such mistakes as 27.Rh4? happen, then that is not yet a criterion for me to say that Engine A is better. It would be different if such mistakes happened all the time.

1r5k/3nb1pp/p2p1n2/3Pp2q/B1N4r/4B3/PP1Q3P/K1R3R1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Flaming Titz 230822 AVX2:

28.Bc6
White is slightly better: +/= (0.58 ++) Depth: 28/37 00:00:09 59729kN, tb=1
28.Bc6
White is slightly better: +/= (0.70 ++) Depth: 28/37 00:00:10 62926kN, tb=1
28.Bc6
White is better: +/- (0.87 ++) Depth: 28/37 00:00:11 70525kN, tb=2

In my opinion, the game could have ended the other way round if Flaming Titz had the white pieces and Fat Titz had the black pieces. However, if you think it's different, that's OK with me. I only speak from my own experience. Unfortunately, with little time and with low search depths (and depth 26 is almost nothing for Stockfish) such errors happen, I've even seen bigger errors with Blitz 5 and Ponder ON, and hardware that is several times faster.

Don't get me wrong btw. It's really nice to have alternatives and it's pretty strong too. Nowadays if i see a win i just assume it's a little bit better because there are lots of draws NN era of engines. Here you go all games: https://controlc.com/f535e4ad