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by towforce
Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:08 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: FUN with rating lists [ PART TWO]
Replies: 12
Views: 1414

Re: FUN with rating lists [ PART TWO]

[Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "2021.06.07"] [Round "28"] [White "Foxsee_7.8"] [Black "BitGenie_5"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "B02"] [GameDuration "00:00:27"] [GameEndTime "2021-06-07T09:33:23.799 West-Europa (zomertijd)"] [GameStartTime "2021-06-07T09:32:55.973 West-Europa (zomertijd)"] [Opening "Alekhine...
by towforce
Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:04 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: A Stockfish that tries to lose every game of chess
Replies: 14
Views: 1838

Re: A Stockfish that tries to lose every game of chess

Knowledge and search probably aren't of much value in this quest. Here's a starter challenge: find a position in which you can force the opponent to beat you! I don't think it's possible to force a loss against an opponent who refuses to beat you. You might be able to do it in checkers (draughts), b...
by towforce
Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:50 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: I declare that HCE is dead...
Replies: 54
Views: 7356

Re: I declare that HCE is dead...

Question: is HCE dead? Answer: it depends what computer chess is for. In the Genesis era (roughly 1957-2000), nearly all eval was hand coded. Then auto-tuning began, which gave engines a big elo boost, and was probably the first time something in the eval wasn't hand coded (hence the end of the "Ge...
by towforce
Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:19 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: I declare that HCE is dead...
Replies: 54
Views: 7356

Re: I declare that HCE is dead...

I want to give an example: this is a game against Frans Morsch engine on SH7034 20 mhz: Milano Pro aka Mephisto Master: [Event "40/120 3000 cycles"] [Site "SCW"] [Date "2021.07.01"] [Round "1"] [White "Mephisto Master"] [Black "CSTal DOS v93 3000 cycles"] [ECO "E51"] [Result "0-1"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 ...
by towforce
Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:54 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: I declare that HCE is dead...
Replies: 54
Views: 7356

Re: I declare that HCE is dead...

i am testing CSTAL dos in the moment on fossil hardware (286-16 mhz). its funny to see how it can beat other chess engines with doing only 300-450 NPS. Sounds as though it was the Genesis era equivalent of LC0! :lol: You worked with Chris on CS-Tal: can you give us any clues as to how it managed to...
by towforce
Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:41 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: I declare that HCE is dead...
Replies: 54
Views: 7356

Re: I declare that HCE is dead...

Future nets could achieve the desired goals at some point. There has been some progress, notably Dietrich Kappe's nets, but tuning and optimizing NNs can be a slow and daunting task, whereas HCE parameters can provide quicker and more convincing results, at least at this time, provided that the HCE...
by towforce
Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:53 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: I declare that HCE is dead...
Replies: 54
Views: 7356

Re: I declare that HCE is dead...

Quick demonstration that you don't always have to check every permutation: the travelling salesman problem has been solved to 85900 towns. If every combination had been tested, that would be 85900!=9.6*10^386526 combinations. That didn't happen: instead, the overwhelming majority of combinations we...
by towforce
Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:08 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: I declare that HCE is dead...
Replies: 54
Views: 7356

Re: I declare that HCE is dead...

Quick demonstration that you don't always have to check every permutation: the travelling salesman problem has been solved to 85900 towns. If every combination had been tested, that would be 85900!=9.6*10^386526 combinations. That didn't happen: instead, the overwhelming majority of combinations wer...
by towforce
Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:22 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: I declare that HCE is dead...
Replies: 54
Views: 7356

Re: I declare that HCE is dead...

The REAL answer to chess will be to solve it: then EVERYTHING ELSE (search, NN, HCE etc) will ALL be dead! :D We know how to do it for quite some time, i.e. we know the algorithm (Turing machine) that 100% provides an answer. We know how to generate 32-men TBs. We "just" don't have enough resources...
by towforce
Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:17 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: I declare that HCE is dead...
Replies: 54
Views: 7356

Re: I declare that HCE is dead...

Rebel wrote:
Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:55 am
When will search be declared dead? Can search be put in a NN as well?

The problem with chess for AI study is that for decades search has been killing all other techniques.

The REAL answer to chess will be to solve it: then EVERYTHING ELSE (search, NN, HCE etc) will ALL be dead! :D