TCEC Superfinal - Stockfish leading AllieStein

[leavenfish]

I know this is a bit simplistic, but I wonder if this is largely what it boils down to:

Stockfish sees far enough/fast enough that - more often than not - it can keep much of the edge one might think an NN engine like AllieStein would 'conjur' up to a minimum...and then as more pieces come off the board and we approach an endgame, the A/B approach of Stockfish begins to shine?

[sovaz1997]

the A/B approach of Stockfish begins to shine?

If you knew the difference between Allie and Leela, you would not ask this question.

[Nay Lin Tun]

the A/B approach of Stockfish begins to shine?

If you knew the difference between Allie and Leela, you would not ask this question.

If you check around other websites/ tournments such as chess.com , you would not ask these questions.

[Jouni]

Yesterday in endgame play SF had depth 161/161 and Allie 0/0 - some difference .

[leavenfish]

the A/B approach of Stockfish begins to shine?

If you knew the difference between Allie and Leela, you would not ask this question.

If you check around other websites/ tournments such as chess.com , you would not ask these questions.

But I did ask the question about this specific instance.

[Nay Lin Tun]

Yesterday in endgame play SF had depth 161/161 and Allie 0/0 - some difference .

Depth or Search is not that important when you have sound knowledge. That is why current 20x256 leela can play equally against 1:1000 faster Stockfish.

If T60 become really powerful, it may probably play against 1:10,000 faster Stockfish.

In theory, if you know the outcome of 10^43 positions , like 32 men TB, you just need depth 1 only. ( 7 men tablebases knows only depth 1.

In practice, if you know, a certrain trade leads certain endgame that you are sure about how to win (e.g KRP v KR), then you just need depth 1.( no need to search).

[jp]

Allie 0/0

Why did Allie have zero depth?

[leavenfish]

Yesterday in endgame play SF had depth 161/161 and Allie 0/0 - some difference .

In theory, if you know the outcome of 10^43 positions , like 32 men TB, you just need depth 1 only. ( 7 men tablebases knows only depth 1.

In practice, if you know, a certrain trade leads certain endgame that you are sure about how to win (e.g KRP v KR), then you just need depth 1.( no need to search).

My thoughts were my quick take after going thru a few of the games.

So, are you verifying that AllieStein just doesn't play as well as Stockfish when play becomes more concrete later in the middlegame and towards and into the endgame?