Re: Future of computer chess: 2 top engines?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:35 pm
The main reason why Leela is somewhat competitive in TCEC is because Leela has oursourced net training to jhorthos and the J92 nets are better than the T60 nets. But even then it is weaker than Stockfish.Ozymandias wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:14 pm Komodo 11.2 is only 26 Elo points behind version 14, at CCRL 40/15. It was released on July 17, 2017. SF had been the clear number one for over a year, by the time Lc0 matured, and now it is again; this last T60 run has been rather disappointing, not to mention incredibly long.
That, and because Lc0 scales better with HW. TCEC uses high end configurations for both GPU and CPU. But not even that + long time controls are enough to close the gap.Madeleine Birchfield wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:42 pmThe main reason why Leela is somewhat competitive in TCEC is because Leela has oursourced net training to jhorthos and the J92 nets are better than the T60 nets. But even then it is weaker than Stockfish.Ozymandias wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:14 pm Komodo 11.2 is only 26 Elo points behind version 14, at CCRL 40/15. It was released on July 17, 2017. SF had been the clear number one for over a year, by the time Lc0 matured, and now it is again; this last T60 run has been rather disappointing, not to mention incredibly long.
These statements are true for millionaires but not for ordinary people.Ozymandias wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:04 pmThat, and because Lc0 scales better with HW. TCEC uses high end configurations for both GPU and CPU. But not even that + long time controls are enough to close the gap.Madeleine Birchfield wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:42 pmThe main reason why Leela is somewhat competitive in TCEC is because Leela has oursourced net training to jhorthos and the J92 nets are better than the T60 nets. But even then it is weaker than Stockfish.Ozymandias wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:14 pm Komodo 11.2 is only 26 Elo points behind version 14, at CCRL 40/15. It was released on July 17, 2017. SF had been the clear number one for over a year, by the time Lc0 matured, and now it is again; this last T60 run has been rather disappointing, not to mention incredibly long.
Please can you point me in the direction of wherever you read about this? Stockfish Dev is already 23 Elo above above Stockfish 12. If one patch/net really does gain 30 Elo above that 23, we're basically already on Stockfish 13 by the usual benchmark of +50 Elo = a new release.
Smart move. In a gold rush, sell shovels
I do not know if LC0 scales better with HW relative to stockfish.Ozymandias wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:04 pmThat, and because Lc0 scales better with HW. TCEC uses high end configurations for both GPU and CPU. But not even that + long time controls are enough to close the gap.Madeleine Birchfield wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:42 pmThe main reason why Leela is somewhat competitive in TCEC is because Leela has oursourced net training to jhorthos and the J92 nets are better than the T60 nets. But even then it is weaker than Stockfish.Ozymandias wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:14 pm Komodo 11.2 is only 26 Elo points behind version 14, at CCRL 40/15. It was released on July 17, 2017. SF had been the clear number one for over a year, by the time Lc0 matured, and now it is again; this last T60 run has been rather disappointing, not to mention incredibly long.