what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

Post by Alayan »

Arguably though, there is a level beyond which even with an infinite number of tries, the engine up a queen is always going to win no matter which sequence of moves are tried.
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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

Post by Uri Blass »

MikeB wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:25 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:52 pm <snip>

Is there some interface that support it so I get only games when engines A,B,C play without queen d1 against engines D,E,F at some time control without resigning

<snip>
relatively simple using the cutechess client ...
I do not know how to use cutechess

I searched in google for cutechess and found the following
https://github.com/cutechess/cutechess/ ... /tag/1.2.0

I downloaded it and have some exe file but I even do not know how to download an engine in the interface and if I try to start a new tournament
then the main problem is that I practically have no option that I see to add players.

I see that there are options for toutnament types
Round Robin,Gauntlet,Knockout,Pyramid

I guess that Gauntlet is the right option
I see that I have Opening Suite when I can choose fen or pgn file

I am not sure how to make engines in one set to be always white and engines in another set to be always black from a fen.

I tried also clicking tools setting in order to download some engine
Unfortunately when I go to some folder when I have a chess engine it show me no option to choose a chess engine.

The version I tried to use is Cute Chess 1.2.0
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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

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I found that the problem was that I clicked browse on working directory and not on command
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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

Post by Uri Blass »

stockfish could not win usurpatorllemo

the opponent made an illegal move but stockfish has only a king so it is a draw.
[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2021.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "stockfish_21041512_x64_avx2"]
[Black "usurpatorIIemu"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A05"]
[GameDuration "00:09:09"]
[GameEndTime "2021-05-01T05:24:28.378 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[GameStartTime "2021-05-01T05:15:18.970 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[PlyCount "129"]
[Termination "illegal move"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]

1. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book} 3. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book}
4. Ng1 {book} Nxd1 {book} 5. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book} 6. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book}
7. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 8. Ng1 {book} Ng8 {book} 9. d4 {-12.25/33 18s}
c5 {+0.10/10 0.045s} 10. dxc5 {-12.09/28 2.6s} Qa5+ {+0.65/10 0.064s}
11. Nc3 {-12.08/31 12s} e5 {+0.94/10 0.15s} 12. Nf3 {-11.54/28 6.1s}
Bxc5 {+1.01/10 0.15s} 13. e4 {-11.48/28 2.9s} Bb4 {+0.48/10 0.29s}
14. Bd2 {-11.40/31 7.1s} Bxc3 {+0.66/10 0.28s} 15. Bxc3 {-10.63/28 4.7s}
Qa4 {-0.12/10 0.12s} 16. Nd2 {-10.57/29 4.3s} Qxc2 {+0.39/10 0.13s}
17. Bc4 {-10.17/32 22s} Nf6 {+0.10/10 0.13s} 18. O-O {-10.35/31 4.3s}
Nxe4 {+0.93/10 0.25s} 19. Rfc1 {-8.94/26 12s} Qxd2 {-1.64/10 0.33s}
20. Bxd2 {-7.81/28 5.0s} Nxd2 {+3.26/10 0.064s} 21. Bd5 {-7.78/26 13s}
O-O {-1.92/10 0.10s} 22. Rd1 {-6.55/28 5.9s} Nb3 {-2.29/10 0.060s}
23. Bxb3 {-6.82/28 23s} Nc6 {+0.07/10 0.023s} 24. Rd6 {-7.10/29 36s}
b5 {+0.05/10 0.038s} 25. Re1 {-6.32/28 22s} Rd8 {+0.02/10 0.046s}
26. Bd5 {-6.60/27 25s} Bb7 {+0.07/10 0.055s} 27. b3 {-6.63/24 18s}
Rac8 {+0.07/10 0.082s} 28. h4 {-7.08/26 16s} a5 {-0.03/10 0.14s}
29. f3 {-6.92/25 12s} Rc7 {-0.02/10 0.13s} 30. Bxc6 {-6.48/25 2.5s}
Rxc6 {+2.19/10 0.18s} 31. Rd5 {-6.60/28 8.7s} Rc1 {-0.42/10 0.16s}
32. Rxe5 {-6.79/28 6.3s} Rxe1+ {+0.54/10 0.14s} 33. Rxe1 {-6.90/22 0.85s}
Bc6 {+0.10/10 0.028s} 34. Kf2 {-6.62/23 1.7s} d5 {+0.23/13 0.41s}
35. Rc1 {-6.25/24 1.8s} Rc8 {+0.14/13 0.23s} 36. Ke3 {-6.76/26 4.0s}
a4 {+0.19/13 0.79s} 37. Kd4 {-6.31/21 2.1s} f6 {+0.18/13 0.50s}
38. f4 {-5.91/19 0.41s} axb3 {+0.36/10 0.091s} 39. axb3 {-5.67/18 0.24s}
Bd7 {-0.02/10 0.050s} 40. Rxc8+ {-5.38/19 0.17s} Bxc8 {+4.69/10 0.006s}
41. Kc5 {-9.54/32 63s} Be6 {-0.57/13 0.095s} 42. g4 {-10.43/32 51s}
d4 {0.00/13 0.18s} 43. Kxd4 {-10.48/28 2.4s} Bxb3 {+1.05/13 0.16s}
44. Kc5 {-14.36/30 29s} Bc4 {+0.06/13 0.094s} 45. Kd4 {-17.12/32 21s}
h6 {+0.47/13 0.13s} 46. Ke4 {-14.52/29 8.4s} h5 {+0.29/13 0.16s}
47. g5 {-48.18/33 12s} fxg5 {+0.34/15 0.031s} 48. fxg5 {-81.22/34 19s}
Kf7 {+0.21/15 0.019s} 49. Kd4 {-M40/44 4.3s} Ke6 {+0.27/15 0.021s}
50. Kc3 {-M36/47 2.0s} Ke5 {+0.22/15 0.023s} 51. Kb4 {-M28/47 1.9s}
Kf4 {+0.62/15 0.031s} 52. Kc5 {-M30/48 1.8s} g6 {+0.80/15 0.095s}
53. Kd6 {-M28/48 3.1s} Bd3 {+0.62/15 0.041s} 54. Kc5 {-M30/52 1.9s}
Be2 {+0.57/15 0.061s} 55. Kb4 {-M30/54 2.0s} Kg4 {+0.76/15 0.037s}
56. Ka5 {-M28/55 2.2s} Kxh4 {+1.71/15 0.034s} 57. Kb4 {-M26/54 2.2s}
Kxg5 {+1.20/15 0.011s} 58. Kc3 {-M24/53 2.2s} Kf4 {+0.21/15 0.018s}
59. Kc2 {-M20/51 4.0s} Bc4 {+0.16/15 0.030s} 60. Kb1 {-M18/55 2.3s}
Ke3 {+0.15/15 0.027s} 61. Kc2 {-M16/67 2.3s} b4 {+0.19/15 0.032s}
62. Kc1 {-M14/108 2.3s} h4 {+0.14/15 0.033s} 63. Kc2 {-M12/228 2.3s}
h3 {+6.20/15 0.046s} 64. Kc1 {-M10/245 0.37s} h2 {+7.06/15 0.18s}
65. Kb1 {-M8/245 0.069s, Black makes an illegal move: h2h1} 1-0[/pgn]
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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

Post by Uri Blass »

some more games.

It seems that it is not hard to beat usurparotllemu without a queen and not thanks to illegal moves and even my own engine movei can do it.
stockfish tried another game and won only thanks to illegal move of usurparotllemu that does not know to promote pawns to queen.

[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2021.05.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Movei v0.08.438"]
[Black "usurpatorIIemu"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A05"]
[GameDuration "00:03:45"]
[GameEndTime "2021-05-01T10:07:18.415 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[GameStartTime "2021-05-01T10:03:32.893 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[PlyCount "73"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]

1. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book} 3. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book}
4. Ng1 {book} Nxd1 {book} 5. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book} 6. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book}
7. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 8. Ng1 {book} Ng8 {book} 9. Nf3 {-10.31/13 7.6s}
d5 {+0.04/10 0.059s} 10. d4 {-10.44/13 15s} Bg4 {+0.08/10 0.082s}
11. Nc3 {-10.31/13 14s} Bxf3 {+0.91/10 0.16s} 12. exf3 {-10.02/14 7.6s}
e6 {+0.03/10 0.085s} 13. Be3 {-10.01/13 7.9s} Bb4 {+0.08/10 0.16s}
14. Bd3 {-10.05/13 5.7s} Bxc3+ {+0.92/10 0.24s} 15. bxc3 {-9.74/15 13s}
c5 {+0.07/10 0.16s} 16. dxc5 {-9.60/14 9.6s} Nc6 {+0.01/10 0.20s}
17. Rb1 {-9.64/13 11s} d4 {+0.21/10 0.34s} 18. cxd4 {-8.79/14 8.8s}
Nxd4 {+0.43/10 0.29s} 19. O-O {-7.93/13 6.3s} b6 {+0.11/10 0.27s}
20. cxb6 {-7.39/13 5.4s} axb6 {+1.33/10 0.50s} 21. Rfd1 {-7.50/13 8.5s}
Qf6 {-0.12/10 0.45s} 22. Bxd4 {-3.28/14 8.4s} Qg5 {-1.51/10 0.24s}
23. Rb5 {-3.31/13 14s} f5 {-0.83/10 0.41s} 24. Rxb6 {-2.87/12 12s}
Kf7 {+0.03/10 0.25s} 25. Rb7+ {-2.34/12 6.8s} Ne7 {+0.10/10 0.034s}
26. Bc5 {-2.44/13 7.6s} Rhe8 {+0.08/10 0.26s} 27. Bb5 {-2.44/12 4.9s}
h5 {-1.58/10 0.31s} 28. c4 {-2.14/12 11s} Qf6 {-1.62/10 0.27s}
29. f4 {-2.04/11 4.9s} g5 {-1.65/10 0.32s} 30. h4 {-1.05/14 10s}
gxf4 {-0.55/10 0.20s} 31. Bxe8+ {0.00/13 4.8s} Rxe8 {+3.03/10 0.061s}
32. Rdd7 {-0.03/13 4.0s} Qa1+ {-0.71/10 0.26s} 33. Kh2 {-0.20/14 5.7s}
Kg8 {-1.99/10 0.26s} 34. Bxe7 {+0.60/14 5.9s} Qxa2 {+0.44/10 0.20s}
35. Bf6 {+327.49/13 0.44s} Qxc4 {-0.58/10 0.24s} 36. Rg7+ {+327.63/1 0s}
Kf8 {-34.86/10 0.013s} 37. Rbf7# {+327.65/1 0s, White mates} 1-0

[Event "My Tournament"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2021.05.01"]
[Round "1"]
[White "stockfish_21041512_x64_avx2"]
[Black "usurpatorIIemu"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A05"]
[GameDuration "00:06:06"]
[GameEndTime "2021-05-01T10:26:36.824 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[GameStartTime "2021-05-01T10:20:30.687 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[PlyCount "105"]
[Termination "illegal move"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]

1. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book} 3. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book}
4. Ng1 {book} Nxd1 {book} 5. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book} 6. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book}
7. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 8. Ng1 {book} Ng8 {book} 9. d4 {-12.25/33 20s}
c5 {+0.10/10 0.045s} 10. dxc5 {-12.09/27 2.4s} Qa5+ {+0.64/10 0.065s}
11. Nc3 {-12.01/26 3.5s} e5 {+0.95/10 0.15s} 12. Nf3 {-11.44/29 6.5s}
Bxc5 {+1.05/10 0.15s} 13. e4 {-11.55/28 5.5s} Bd4 {+0.44/10 0.29s}
14. Bd2 {-10.71/29 4.1s} Qc5 {+0.76/10 0.30s} 15. Nxd4 {-10.94/33 7.4s}
exd4 {+3.98/10 0.13s} 16. Nd5 {-11.17/34 8.4s} Qxc2 {+2.07/10 0.23s}
17. f3 {-10.86/30 4.1s} Qxb2 {+1.35/10 0.48s} 18. Rd1 {-11.17/31 10s}
Kd8 {-0.16/10 0.27s} 19. Bf4 {-11.21/33 9.7s} Na6 {-0.02/10 0.27s}
20. Bxa6 {-9.85/27 6.9s} bxa6 {+2.98/10 0.14s} 21. Bc7+ {-10.25/30 8.1s}
Ke8 {-0.05/10 0.014s} 22. Bf4 {-10.26/33 27s} Qxg2 {+0.59/10 0.28s}
23. Rf1 {-10.13/27 4.3s} Bb7 {-1.37/10 0.31s} 24. Rd2 {-10.40/29 10s}
Qh3 {-1.44/10 0.36s} 25. Nc7+ {-10.35/27 5.3s} Ke7 {-2.10/10 0.013s}
26. Nxa8 {-10.29/27 12s} Bxa8 {+2.24/10 0.14s} 27. Rxd4 {-10.27/29 20s}
Nf6 {+0.11/10 0.25s} 28. Rf2 {-10.17/25 7.2s} Bc6 {+0.07/10 0.40s}
29. Bg5 {-9.71/25 3.9s} Rb8 {+0.13/10 0.24s} 30. Rd3 {-10.53/28 35s}
Bxe4 {+1.39/10 0.42s} 31. Re2 {-13.45/27 26s} Rb1+ {+1.66/10 0.25s}
32. Rd1 {-16.67/27 9.6s} Rxd1+ {+1.78/10 0.16s} 33. Kxd1 {-19.25/28 8.2s}
Qxf3 {+1.05/10 0.11s} 34. Kd2 {-42.17/29 15s} a5 {+0.03/10 0.061s}
35. Kd1 {-15.42/24 9.7s} h5 {+0.09/10 0.057s} 36. Kd2 {-19.06/23 5.8s}
Qd3+ {+0.04/10 0.052s} 37. Ke1 {-13.50/20 0.51s} Ke6 {+0.07/10 0.035s}
38. Bxf6 {-35.68/25 3.4s} Kxf6 {+3.15/10 0.029s} 39. h3 {-62.75/24 0.68s}
d5 {+0.17/10 0.093s} 40. Rd2 {-25.14/17 0.14s} Qxh3 {+0.90/10 0.049s}
41. Rf2+ {-M18/74 9.2s} Bf5 {-0.06/10 0.036s} 42. Ke2 {-M18/58 4.4s}
Ke5 {+0.14/10 0.028s} 43. a4 {-M14/73 4.2s} Qg4+ {+0.70/10 0.038s}
44. Kd2 {-M14/74 4.5s} Qxa4 {+0.89/10 0.082s} 45. Re2+ {-M16/65 6.9s}
Be4 {+0.01/10 0.008s} 46. Ke1 {-M16/74 5.1s} f5 {+0.14/10 0.013s}
47. Rd2 {-M14/71 7.2s} h4 {+0.11/10 0.052s} 48. Kf2 {-M14/78 4.6s}
h3 {+0.10/10 0.069s} 49. Ke3 {-M12/85 4.7s} d4+ {+4.01/10 0.35s}
50. Ke2 {-M10/143 4.9s} h2 {+4.49/10 0.44s} 51. Rd1 {-M8/245 1.3s}
Qc2+ {+6.16/10 0.13s} 52. Rd2 {-M8/245 1.7s} Qc4+ {+6.12/10 0.092s}
53. Kf2 {-M6/245 0.018s, Black makes an illegal move: h2h1} 1-0



[/pgn]
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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

Post by Uri Blass »

Note that for stockfish I see some default value that I see no ways to change like number of threads that is 1.

When I try to configure stockfish I see no way to change hash size or number of threads.
I can change use NNUE or not and some other things.
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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

Post by Uri Blass »

Rybka could also win without a queen

[Event "My Tournament"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2021.05.01"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Rybkav2.3.2a.mp.x64"]
[Black "usurpatorIIemu"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A05"]
[GameDuration "00:05:20"]
[GameEndTime "2021-05-01T11:03:25.676 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[GameStartTime "2021-05-01T10:58:05.517 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[PlyCount "111"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]

1. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book} 3. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book}
4. Ng1 {book} Nxd1 {book} 5. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book} 6. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book}
7. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 8. Ng1 {book} Ng8 {book} 9. Nf3 {-6.04/13 6.5s}
c5 {+0.05/10 0.055s} 10. g3 {-5.84/12 3.3s} d5 {+0.05/10 0.041s}
11. Bg2 {-5.95/13 5.3s} Bg4 {+0.13/10 0.086s} 12. Ne5 {-5.90/13 6.6s}
Nf6 {0.00/10 0.23s} 13. Nxg4 {-5.73/12 3.1s} Nxg4 {+3.02/10 0.063s}
14. c4 {-6.00/13 3.2s} dxc4 {-0.05/10 0.087s} 15. Bxb7 {-5.79/13 1.2s}
Nxf2 {-1.19/10 0.12s} 16. Kxf2 {-4.79/14 4.7s} Nd7 {-1.37/10 0.069s}
17. Nc3 {-5.03/13 10s} Rb8 {-0.05/10 0.12s} 18. Be4 {-5.13/12 5.4s}
Ne5 {+0.12/10 0.10s} 19. Bc2 {-5.21/11 4.2s} Qd4+ {+0.06/10 0.28s}
20. Kg2 {-5.48/14 5.4s} Rb4 {+0.03/10 0.22s} 21. Rf1 {-5.06/12 3.9s}
e6 {+0.02/10 0.25s} 22. h3 {-5.08/11 9.1s} Be7 {+0.03/10 0.25s}
23. a3 {-5.34/12 4.8s} Rb8 {-0.09/10 0.61s} 24. Ba4+ {-5.46/11 4.7s}
Kd8 {-0.10/10 0.13s} 25. Rf4 {-5.56/11 4.2s} Qd6 {-0.90/10 0.66s}
26. Ne4 {-5.78/12 5.8s} Qc7 {-0.06/10 0.77s} 27. Bc2 {-6.35/12 5.1s}
f5 {+0.12/10 0.73s} 28. Nc3 {-6.67/11 1.3s} Bd6 {+0.06/10 0.41s}
29. Ra2 {-6.35/12 8.4s} Nd3 {+1.17/10 0.68s} 30. exd3 {-7.18/13 8.6s}
Bxf4 {+3.80/10 0.31s} 31. gxf4 {-7.24/11 1.4s} cxd3 {+1.19/10 0.25s}
32. Bxd3 {-7.24/12 5.1s} Qxf4 {+0.98/10 0.32s} 33. Bc2 {-7.72/12 9.5s}
Qg5+ {+0.09/10 0.19s} 34. Kf1 {-8.36/14 9.1s} Qg3 {+1.25/10 0.19s}
35. d3 {-9.60/15 30s} Qxh3+ {+2.33/10 0.18s} 36. Ke1 {-10.52/16 24s}
Qh4+ {+1.32/10 0.31s} 37. Kd1 {-9.97/14 19s} Qh5+ {+1.34/10 0.20s}
38. Ne2 {-9.26/16 16s} Kd7 {+0.02/10 0.076s} 39. Be3 {-7.80/14 12s}
Kd6 {+0.08/10 0.13s} 40. b4 {-7.53/11 6.4s} cxb4 {+0.37/10 0.10s}
41. axb4 {-8.07/12 13s} Qh1+ {+0.06/10 0.11s} 42. Kd2 {-7.86/13 6.9s}
Rxb4 {-0.65/10 0.33s} 43. Ra6+ {-7.63/10 1.1s} Kd7 {-1.67/10 0.14s}
44. Bc5 {-8.01/11 6.2s} Qh6+ {-0.53/10 0.30s} 45. Kc3 {-7.55/13 5.1s}
Rbb8 {-1.64/10 0.50s} 46. Rxa7+ {-6.67/12 5.8s} Kc6 {+0.06/10 0.040s}
47. Kc4 {-6.45/13 3.2s} Rb7 {-1.64/10 0.23s} 48. Ra6+ {-6.76/12 3.3s}
Kd7 {-1.65/10 0.049s} 49. Ba4+ {-6.27/12 4.5s} Kc8 {-1.38/10 0.046s}
50. Bd6 {-6.08/12 2.5s} Qh4+ {-0.07/10 0.36s} 51. Nd4 {-5.58/13 1.1s}
Rb4+ {-2.19/10 0.46s} 52. Bxb4 {0.00/16 1.2s} Qh1 {-0.99/10 0.16s}
53. Bc6 {+4.89/20 5.5s} Qc1+ {-0.03/10 0.28s} 54. Kb5 {+7.56/14 1.3s}
Rd8 {-1.64/10 0.24s} 55. Ra8+ {+M3/3 0s} Kc7 {-35.99/10 0.013s}
56. Nxe6# {+M1/3 0s, White mates} 1-0
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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

Post by Uri Blass »

I now try to find if there is an engine that can beat hokpok without a queen.

I guess that it is not an impossible task and hokpok lost a piece but it did not help it to lose the game.

hokpok's CCRL rating is 1389 at 40/15 and 1552 at 40/2 so it seems to be based on this engine that is relatively stronger at blitz but when I compare to opponents I find that is not the case
pooky2.7's CCRL rating is 1439 at 40/15 and 1654 at 40/2
Bace0.46's CCRL rating is 1378 at 40/15 and 1621 at 40/2
Dreamer0.30 is 1425 at 40/15 and 1584 at 40/2

I wonder what is the reason that the rating is lower both at the top of the list and at the bottom of the list but not in the middle of the list.


https://ccrl.chessdom.com/ccrl/4040/
https://ccrl.chessdom.com/ccrl/404/


[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2021.05.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "stockfish_20011801_x64_modern"]
[Black "hokpok_063"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A05"]
[GameDuration "00:17:52"]
[GameEndTime "2021-05-02T00:37:37.906 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[GameStartTime "2021-05-02T00:19:44.940 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[PlyCount "172"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]

1. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book} 3. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book}
4. Ng1 {book} Nxd1 {book} 5. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book} 6. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book}
7. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 8. Ng1 {book} Ng8 {book} 9. Nf3 {-12.84/29 21s}
d5 {+8.99/8 6.0s} 10. d3 {-12.83/25 5.7s} Nc6 {+9.13/7 6.3s}
11. d4 {-12.86/27 8.5s} Bf5 {+9.45/7 6.5s} 12. c3 {-12.85/26 2.7s}
e6 {+9.58/7 6.3s} 13. Bf4 {-12.88/29 5.3s} Be7 {+9.41/6 6.7s}
14. h4 {-12.91/25 5.6s} Nf6 {+9.72/7 6.4s} 15. Nbd2 {-12.87/25 7.0s}
Nh5 {+10.10/7 6.0s} 16. Bh2 {-12.87/27 3.8s} Bxh4 {+10.11/6 6.2s}
17. Be5 {-11.61/25 5.0s} Be7 {+10.08/7 6.0s} 18. Rxh5 {-10.08/25 3.6s}
Nxe5 {+8.51/7 6.4s} 19. Nxe5 {-9.93/27 5.5s} f6 {+8.38/7 6.5s}
20. Nd3 {-10.00/28 23s} O-O {+8.33/7 6.3s} 21. Rh2 {-9.92/26 7.9s}
Bd6 {+8.42/7 5.6s} 22. g3 {-9.97/24 3.4s} e5 {+8.00/7 6.1s}
23. e3 {-9.97/28 16s} e4 {+7.79/7 6.6s} 24. Nf4 {-9.74/31 5.1s}
c6 {+7.72/7 6.9s} 25. Bh3 {-9.65/33 4.8s} Bxh3 {+7.85/7 6.2s}
26. Rxh3 {-9.77/33 9.5s} Bxf4 {+7.80/7 6.5s} 27. gxf4 {-9.60/28 6.6s}
Qc8 {+8.02/7 6.3s} 28. Rg3 {-9.38/27 5.6s} c5 {+7.94/7 5.8s}
29. Nb3 {-9.84/32 50s} c4 {+7.69/7 6.9s} 30. Nc1 {-9.86/25 2.6s}
Qd7 {+8.08/8 6.4s} 31. Kd2 {-9.66/29 7.6s} Qa4 {+8.20/7 5.6s}
32. Ne2 {-9.98/31 15s} Rf7 {+8.21/7 6.1s} 33. Rgg1 {-9.65/26 2.7s}
a5 {+8.19/7 6.0s} 34. Rgb1 {-9.71/29 6.6s} Re7 {+8.13/8 6.7s}
35. b3 {-9.73/30 21s} Qd7 {+8.15/8 6.6s} 36. bxc4 {-8.96/30 2.1s}
dxc4 {+8.19/7 6.9s} 37. a4 {-9.11/37 5.2s} Qh3 {+8.24/7 6.8s}
38. Rb5 {-10.07/31 17s} Qg2 {+8.20/7 7.0s} 39. Rc5 {-10.16/30 3.9s}
Qxf2 {+8.32/7 6.1s} 40. Rb1 {-10.51/33 10s} Qg2 {+8.51/7 6.5s}
41. Rh5 {-10.19/34 21s} Qg4 {+8.95/7 6.8s} 42. Rbb5 {-11.12/36 74s}
b6 {+9.00/7 6.7s} 43. Rh1 {-10.14/28 2.7s} Rb8 {+8.95/7 6.3s}
44. Rg1 {-11.14/32 55s} Qh4 {+9.16/7 6.4s} 45. Rgb1 {-11.37/33 12s}
Reb7 {+9.27/7 6.4s} 46. Rd5 {-11.63/30 3.9s} Qh2 {+9.20/7 6.1s}
47. Rbb5 {-12.09/33 9.0s} Qh1 {+9.19/7 7.0s} 48. Nc1 {-12.43/32 9.3s}
Qg2+ {+9.67/7 6.7s} 49. Ne2 {-11.92/29 2.4s} Qf1 {+9.59/7 6.6s}
50. Nc1 {-12.22/30 6.2s} Qg2+ {+9.66/7 6.8s} 51. Ne2 {-11.38/30 3.9s}
Qf1 {+9.59/7 6.1s} 52. Nc1 {-11.74/30 6.2s} Qf2+ {+9.66/7 6.8s}
53. Ne2 {-11.53/30 2.2s} Kf7 {+9.17/7 6.8s} 54. Rh5 {-11.71/32 4.1s}
h6 {+9.18/7 6.9s} 55. Rh1 {-11.52/27 5.6s} Ke8 {+9.10/7 6.4s}
56. Rhb1 {-11.72/28 4.4s} Kf7 {+9.18/7 6.6s} 57. Rh1 {-12.36/27 7.6s}
Ke8 {+9.10/7 6.4s} 58. Rh3 {-11.74/28 7.8s} Qf1 {+9.82/7 6.2s}
59. Rg3 {-12.31/30 15s} Qa1 {+10.51/7 6.4s} 60. Nc1 {-12.71/28 9.6s}
Rd7 {+10.81/7 6.4s} 61. Rg1 {-11.68/26 1.6s} Qxa4 {+10.19/7 6.4s}
62. Rb2 {-11.66/24 1.1s} Qa1 {+10.55/7 6.9s} 63. Ra2 {-11.61/30 4.7s}
Qb1 {+10.47/7 6.3s} 64. Rc2 {-11.61/26 0.95s} a4 {+10.51/7 6.0s}
65. Re1 {-11.38/26 2.2s} a3 {+10.64/7 6.8s} 66. Na2 {-11.17/29 1.1s}
Qb5 {+10.64/7 6.9s} 67. Nb4 {-13.25/27 6.1s} Ra8 {+10.47/7 6.9s}
68. Ke2 {-14.44/26 8.3s} Qh5+ {+10.66/7 6.7s} 69. Kd2 {-14.20/23 0.43s}
g5 {+11.16/7 6.6s} 70. fxg5 {-13.94/24 5.0s} fxg5 {+11.04/7 6.0s}
71. Kc1 {-11.25/20 0.49s} Rda7 {+11.16/7 6.5s} 72. Kb1 {-14.12/21 2.8s}
g4 {+11.43/7 6.2s} 73. d5 {-16.20/20 1.7s} Rd7 {+11.42/7 6.3s}
74. Nc6 {-13.80/18 0.79s} Qxd5 {+12.96/7 5.6s} 75. Nd4 {-14.74/18 0.23s}
Qa5 {+12.90/7 6.3s} 76. Ka1 {-12.92/17 0.33s} a2 {+13.53/7 6.7s}
77. Rcc1 {-14.32/17 0.54s} Rf7 {+14.39/7 6.3s} 78. Rg1 {-16.73/18 0.31s}
Rf2 {+15.74/7 6.8s} 79. Ne2 {-M16/39 0.12s} Rxe2 {+22.51/8 6.9s}
80. Rgf1 {-M12/42 0.092s} Rb2 {+M13/8 6.9s} 81. Rf8+ {-M12/171 5.4s}
Kxf8 {+M11/6 0.22s} 82. Rf1+ {-M10/245 2.6s} Ke7 {+M9/5 0.13s}
83. Rd1 {-M8/245 0.51s} Rb1+ {+M7/4 0.030s} 84. Rxb1 {-M6/1 0s}
Qxc3+ {+M5/3 0.009s} 85. Rb2 {-M4/1 0s} Qe1+ {+M3/2 0.003s} 86. Rb1 {-M2/1 0s}
axb1=R# {+M1/1 0.002s, Black mates} 0-1

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Uri Blass
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Re: what is the maximal engine rating that you can win without a queen?

Post by Uri Blass »

Rybka could beat hokpok without a queen
Note that I do not know how to change the default hash or change other parameters with cutechess


[pgn][Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2021.05.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Rybkav2.3.2a.mp.x64"]
[Black "hokpok_063"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A05"]
[GameDuration "00:12:56"]
[GameEndTime "2021-05-02T02:53:15.000 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[GameStartTime "2021-05-02T02:40:18.391 שעון קיץ ירושלים"]
[Opening "Reti Opening"]
[PlyCount "141"]
[TimeControl "40/300"]

1. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 2. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book} 3. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book}
4. Ng1 {book} Nxd1 {book} 5. Nf3 {book} Nc3 {book} 6. Ng1 {book} Ne4 {book}
7. Nf3 {book} Nf6 {book} 8. Ng1 {book} Ng8 {book} 9. Nf3 {-6.07/13 12s}
d5 {+8.99/8 6.6s} 10. e3 {-6.04/11 2.8s} Bf5 {+9.11/7 6.2s}
11. Nc3 {-6.07/12 6.8s} e6 {+9.12/7 6.2s} 12. Bb5+ {-6.01/11 2.7s}
c6 {+9.53/6 6.3s} 13. Be2 {-5.97/12 4.6s} Bxc2 {+9.60/7 6.4s}
14. d3 {-5.92/12 2.5s} Bb4 {+9.67/7 6.5s} 15. Bd2 {-5.99/14 4.6s}
e5 {+9.34/6 5.7s} 16. Nxe5 {-5.50/12 3.3s} Qg5 {+9.12/7 6.4s}
17. Nf3 {-5.12/14 2.6s} Qxg2 {+8.57/7 6.4s} 18. Rg1 {-4.79/15 1.5s}
Qh3 {+8.25/7 6.5s} 19. Rg3 {-4.90/14 2.6s} Qf5 {+7.79/7 6.4s}
20. Nd4 {-4.40/13 1.2s} Qf6 {+7.59/7 6.8s} 21. Nxc2 {-4.53/14 6.2s}
Bd6 {+6.96/7 6.8s} 22. Rg2 {-4.66/13 9.7s} Ne7 {+6.83/6 6.3s}
23. O-O-O {-4.68/12 6.5s} O-O {+6.94/6 6.5s} 24. f4 {-4.60/12 12s}
Nd7 {+6.99/7 6.4s} 25. Rf1 {-4.67/13 15s} Ng6 {+7.10/6 6.2s}
26. Kb1 {-4.70/12 10s} b5 {+7.25/6 6.6s} 27. Nd1 {-4.53/12 5.4s}
a5 {+7.29/6 6.6s} 28. Rfg1 {-4.70/11 4.2s} Nc5 {+7.28/6 6.8s}
29. Bc3 {-4.05/14 4.3s} Qh4 {+6.33/6 6.7s} 30. f5 {-3.80/15 1.6s}
b4 {+5.39/6 6.4s} 31. Be1 {-3.77/16 1.8s} Qd8 {+5.26/7 6.2s}
32. fxg6 {-3.86/16 5.8s} fxg6 {+5.20/7 5.5s} 33. h4 {-4.06/17 14s}
Ne6 {+5.40/6 6.7s} 34. h5 {-3.95/15 8.4s} g5 {+5.07/7 6.6s}
35. Bg4 {-3.99/16 8.0s} Nc5 {+5.00/7 7.0s} 36. Nf2 {-3.99/17 6.3s}
Qf6 {+4.86/6 6.7s} 37. d4 {-3.82/17 10s} Na6 {+4.69/7 6.9s}
38. e4 {-3.19/18 8.7s} Bf4 {+4.93/7 6.3s} 39. e5 {-3.26/18 5.9s}
Qd8 {+4.55/7 6.1s} 40. Nd3 {-3.09/17 11s} Nc7 {+4.51/7 6.0s}
41. Nc5 {-2.85/15 3.9s} Qe7 {+4.04/7 6.3s} 42. Bf2 {-2.98/15 11s}
Rad8 {+4.54/6 6.4s} 43. Nb7 {-2.55/17 4.5s} Ra8 {+4.59/7 6.5s}
44. Nc5 {0.00/15 0s} Rad8 {+4.57/7 7.0s} 45. Nb7 {0.00/25 3.1s}
b3 {+4.19/7 6.9s} 46. axb3 {-2.70/19 8.5s} Ra8 {+4.08/7 6.1s}
47. Nc5 {-2.87/19 13s} Na6 {+4.18/7 6.1s} 48. Nd7 {-2.76/18 1.9s}
Rfe8 {+4.34/7 6.1s} 49. Be1 {-2.69/15 3.2s} Nb4 {+4.19/7 6.8s}
50. Rf1 {-2.40/14 2.6s} Nxc2 {+4.47/7 6.4s} 51. Rxc2 {-2.60/16 1.5s}
Ra6 {+4.20/7 6.5s} 52. Nc5 {-2.15/15 0.97s} Ra7 {+4.19/7 6.0s}
53. Rf3 {-2.22/17 11s} Qc7 {+3.93/7 6.9s} 54. Bd7 {-2.17/16 8.4s}
Rb8 {+4.06/7 6.6s} 55. Bf2 {-2.03/16 12s} Kh8 {+3.72/7 6.0s}
56. Be3 {-1.73/16 9.1s} Bxe3 {+4.38/7 6.9s} 57. Rxe3 {-1.82/18 2.6s}
Rf8 {+4.10/7 6.4s} 58. e6 {-0.80/13 0s} Qf4 {+2.73/7 7.0s}
59. Ree2 {-0.30/18 6.8s} Qxd4 {+2.41/7 6.2s} 60. e7 {0.00/17 0s}
Re8 {+1.91/7 7.0s} 61. Bxe8 {+6.28/15 6.7s} Qd1+ {+1.42/8 6.3s}
62. Ka2 {+6.46/16 1.3s} Qxc2 {-3.01/8 6.7s} 63. Rxc2 {+4.54/14 0s}
Rxe7 {-3.91/9 7.0s} 64. Bxc6 {+4.62/14 0s} d4 {-4.60/8 7.0s}
65. Rf2 {+11.44/17 4.7s} h6 {-5.13/8 6.3s} 66. Rf8+ {+11.69/16 8.7s}
Kh7 {-6.12/7 6.3s} 67. Be8 {+11.69/16 5.4s} Rxe8 {-7.49/10 6.5s}
68. Rxe8 {+11.91/16 9.1s} g4 {-7.72/9 6.9s} 69. Nd7 {+12.32/14 10s}
d3 {-7.85/9 6.7s} 70. Ne5 {+20.55/11 13s} g5 {-8.70/9 5.8s}
71. hxg6+ {+20.55/9 2.8s, Black resigns} 1-0

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